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Without question the best government for all concerned would be a universal benevolent despotism. The problem is maintaining a series of benevolent despots.

I never understood why everyone said this. Why would creating a solidified hierarchy of people and investing all the power into a single man/upper class be good for all? Even with the pretext of benevolence?

It implies that one man can know what is best for everyone, no matter the diversity of the population. That sounds impossible and improbable. Along with of course the issues concerning creating classes with disparity in power and the inequality that would come from that.

I wouldn't say it is mistaken. Even if the basis is not genetic, an aristocratic upbringing ought to be stressing such values. Though there are cases (such as the Empire of Brazil) where noble titles were unherited.

Shouldn't everyone have access to this aristocratic upbringing if its so good?
 
That would eliminate the point of having a limited aristocracy, instead of the stupids we get elected by stupid people, no?
 
Kasierguard: How do you reconcile the political system you say you want (medieval semi/sub-feudal monarchy 800-1000) with the completely different economic and social contexts that exist today?

Jehoshua:

You say

My position is that the social order of western civilisation to sum it up, is currently in a degraded state of civilizational decline...

What exactly does this mean? Compared to when (if it is in decline there must have been a 'high point' right?)? And how do you justify that view?
 
I never understood why everyone said this. Why would creating a solidified hierarchy of people and investing all the power into a single man/upper class be good for all? Even with the pretext of benevolence?

It implies that one man can know what is best for everyone, no matter the diversity of the population. That sounds impossible and improbable. Along with of course the issues concerning creating classes with disparity in power and the inequality that would come from that.

The key to the statement that makes it a truism is that it is about a benevolent despotism, not a pretext of benevolence. I submit that you are recognizing that no matter what form government takes it has never been really benevolent, which makes it a reality that the less efficient the form the less harm it does (ultimate limiting example; anarchy, which is the recognition that since all government is malevolent it's better to just deal with the consequences of not having one). If the government really was benevolent the more powerful it was the better, hence benevolent despotism.

I know I said I was leaving, but I didn't want to ignore a response to my previous comment. My apologies for sidetracking the reactionary Q&A.
 
Depends on what you mean by freedom of religion. I affirm the teaching of the Church from St Augustine down that a mans assent to religion cannot and should not be forced (forcing someone to be of a certain religious does not constitute having the faith, and so is worthless), and in that sense I believe that people should be free to believe what they will without restrictions being imposed on them for belief.
How would you characterize true religion?


I'm a monarchist. I generally support absolute power for the monarch, though I reject the divine right of kings. Overall I view the early mediaeval monarchy (800-1000) as an ideal for countries of European culture: A decentralised monarchy where kings are elected by the aristocracy and delegates power to the aristocrats whenever they can't rule alone.
Isnt this somewhat contradictory? Absolute monarch in decentralised country? What is the pool of people these aristocrats are going to elect from? You are of course aware of the debiliating effects of aristocratic intermeriage.
You reject the divine right of kings so on what basis you would like to lay this absolute power?


Yes. That being said, I am personally an 'omnist' (that is, the belief that all religions contain the truth to a significant degree). What is most important is not that a governance is rests on a particular religion, but on divine power in general.
And how do you want to achieve that?
 
Who are your favorite traditionalist conservative/reactionary writers, and what are your favorite books on the subject? Any thoughts about Edmund Burke in particular?

When societies change, as they inevitably will, how should that occur? Do you support gradual, "organic" change of the existing order and generally oppose revolutionary approaches, or would you want an abrupt change to a system with a powerful aristocracy and/or monarch? And do you have any opinions on what the appropriate systems would be for countries that have only existed under republican forms of government (e.g. most of the Americas)?
 
Reactionary thought, in whatever type or strain, usually is never about restoring a political entity or public policy alone (though some political entities are perceived as more friendly than others, naturally) but about resurrecting certain values. Values like bravery, erudition and solidarity. Reactionaries believe these have declined and are declining as we speak.
I don't understand how a return to monarchy / aristocracy would strengthen those values in a meaningful way.
Still not understanding :)
 
I see no benefits in monarchy. BTW I do not know how in English but here is reactionary derogatory term, used by communist regime againist its victims.
 
Is the point of having a single figurehead important because that head is also the scapegoat for all the faults of the current social change?
 
I see no benefits in monarchy. BTW I do not know how in English but here is reactionary derogatory term, used by communist regime againist its victims.

So, Stalin and Beria labelled people as monarchists before, or after, sending them to the Lubyanka?
 
Is the point of having a single figurehead important because that head is also the scapegoat for all the faults of the current social change?
Scapegoat with an absolute power?
 
So, Stalin and Beria labelled people as monarchists before, or after, sending them to the Lubyanka?

No, just 'enemy of the people'.

Anywho, I have a question for our reactionary: do you not vote? Because I can't think of a reactionary party where you live (unless there's something about Haarlem I don't know, which is entirely possible)?
 
No, just 'enemy of the people'.

Anywho, I have a question for our reactionary: do you not vote? Because I can't think of a reactionary party where you live (unless there's something about Haarlem I don't know, which is entirely possible)?

Kaiserguard has answered that question already:

There probably are, though I consider those to be contrary to the spirit of this ideology which also is an attitude. I do not vote as a matter of principle. Ocassionally, I find certain right-wing parties attractive, though I figure that actively supporting them would be self-defeating, because you are pandering into democratic structures you cannot lose with honour, let alone win. The best way to ensure return to the pre-modern social order is to improve yourself and your progeny to adopt the values of the pre-modern world. In other words, those that believe in reactionary ideals must outlast modern society. I don't think the Dark Enlightenment gets that.
 
With all due respect, KG, what is the point of this thread? You won't be able to convince anyone to hold your views. They'll just try to convince you, and you aren't willing to budge either. That's why I keep half of my political beliefs to myself.

I did not start this thread with the goal of converting others to our POV, but to dispel misunderstandings about these beliefs.

I'm mystified why anyone who isn't part of it already would want to support a self-perpetuating exclusive system based on inherited wealth and privilege.

Why does anyone?

I think the people who are most likely to worth of your trust are your family. Not always, but most of the most the time. Think of the reactionary attitude as one in which the idea of family is central to every political and economic facet.

I never understood why everyone said this. Why would creating a solidified hierarchy of people and investing all the power into a single man/upper class be good for all? Even with the pretext of benevolence?

It implies that one man can know what is best for everyone, no matter the diversity of the population. That sounds impossible and improbable. Along with of course the issues concerning creating classes with disparity in power and the inequality that would come from that.

In economic terms, early modern societies were actually more egalitarian. This is not to say we support early modern society because of its egalitarianism, or that anyone should do so. Rather, the fact that early modern societies were more egalitarian in economic matters are good from a perspective of promoting good values. The massive disparities in wealth we see today are completely arbitrary. No one can convince Bill Gates worked billions of times harder or better than the average minimum wage worker. Yet hypercapitalist societies propagate greed and selfishness, whereas - to ascend to nobility or maintain respectability within the nobility - one has to be brave.

Shouldn't everyone have access to this aristocratic upbringing if its so good?

Not necessarily. I have frequently made a connection between aristocracy and military and political duties. Those that have a knack for scholarship may do best to instill those values to their kids, and that may not necessarily the best path for aristocrats, and vice versa, to name just one example.

Kasierguard: How do you reconcile the political system you say you want (medieval semi/sub-feudal monarchy 800-1000) with the completely different economic and social contexts that exist today?

We don't want to resurrect political entities 1:1. I consider myself a loyalist to the house of Orange-Nassau even though the Netherlands wasn't even considered a culturally distinct region back then, to name one example. That said, I want to keep most traditional institutions to the greatest degree possible, and even bring some back. That said, while worthy as a goal in itself, the greatest prize lies in the resurrection of the values these bring. At diverse people, I think the man and women of the thousand years ago were of stronger moral character than people today, and that is perhaps the foremost thing I wish to bring back.

How would you characterize true religion?

Anything that is not a pseudoreligion.

Isnt this somewhat contradictory? Absolute monarch in decentralised country? What is the pool of people these aristocrats are going to elect from? You are of course aware of the debiliating effects of aristocratic intermeriage.

No. One person, even if he legally has the power to do anything, won't be able to do anything, being a human. He will delegate it others he knows personally. The result is a more human governance, compared to the corporate bureaucracy modern democracies are today.

You reject the divine right of kings so on what basis you would like to lay this absolute power?

Will of the aristocracy.

And how do you want to achieve that?

By making sure good people of good character - regardless of ideology - outlast modern society.

Who are your favorite traditionalist conservative/reactionary writers, and what are your favorite books on the subject? Any thoughts about Edmund Burke in particular?

Currently, I read Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn's Liberty or Equality. You will find recurring threads between my statements on CFC (especially in this thread) as well as Jehoshua's with his words. Oswald Spengler, Joseph de Maistre and René Guenon are also fairly standard fare among self-described reactionaries. I'm frankly more familiar with these writers than Edmund Burke, though I suspect Edmund Burke will be more accessible to would-be reactionaries in the Anglosphere than the other names I have mentioned. I think René Guenon's Crisis of the Modern World is my favourite book on the subject.

While not self-identified reactionaries or even overtly political philosophers, I'd like to give honourable mentions to E.F. Schumacher and Nassim Nicholas Taleb for their books Small is Beautiful and Antifragile respectively. They frequently come with insights that reactionaries find appealing and interesting. Reactionaries also tend to respect the insights of the likes of Ludwig von Mises and Antonio Gramsci on an analytical level, while being critical of Libertarianism and Marxism itself.

When societies change, as they inevitably will, how should that occur? Do you support gradual, "organic" change of the existing order and generally oppose revolutionary approaches, or would you want an abrupt change to a system with a powerful aristocracy and/or monarch? And do you have any opinions on what the appropriate systems would be for countries that have only existed under republican forms of government (e.g. most of the Americas)?

No society is ever going to stay static. What is important that traditional institutions are honoured and if necessary restored. What is even more important is that a society stays true to the values embodied by its ancestral institutions. The problem is we have undertaken many 'reforms' and ultimately shed with our humanity and cardinal virtues in the process. As I noted earlier, and probably will mention a lot again for clarification, my personal perspective is that those of reactionary persuasian must be stronger than modern society itself, and be present and alive to watch its collapse. This may not happen in my lifetime. The path of a reactionary is for a large part inward.

Is the point of having a single figurehead important because that head is also the scapegoat for all the faults of the current social change?

No.
 
How do you account for the past 1,000 years of political evolution? Seems like a reasonable question, and nobody seems to have posed it yet.
 
How do you account for the past 1,000 years of political evolution?

A combination of personal beliefs and convictions intersecting with calculating personal interest. What is key is that we have to take into account the passions and thought people individually hold, a monumental and perhaps impossible task.
 

Bottomline: Societal change is enabled by the actions of individuals. Often, one remarkable individual may change the course of a society's development. To fully understand societal change, we will need to evaluate the intentions of every individual involved, from king to commoner.
 
No. One person, even if he legally has the power to do anything, won't be able to do anything, being a human. He will delegate it others he knows personally. The result is a more human governance, compared to the corporate bureaucracy modern democracies are today.
TBH I dont see how that differs from anything like corporate bureacracy of modern democracies of today in the least except the fact that the common folk isnt involved at all which means he is likely to be subject to an oppression. The said aristocracy is bound to form diverse clique with its only object to control one person, the socalled absolute monarch who in fact is going to be heavily dependent on these aristocrats. Thats not in any way different then the corporate bureaucracy since the end goal is going to be the same: the maximum control of the state.
What you call more human governance is bound to turn into illusion in matter of years becouse of this nonsensical idea of an "absolute power". Its bound to corrupt everyone and everything.
And how are you going to sell this idea to common folk? You cannot expect defense of a country from these new serves totally allienated from its governing system. Just like the aristocrats they will sell themselves at first opportunity to any invading power.

As it seems to me this system could have its chances if:
1. anybody born in the country could become an aristocrat through his life and service to the country.
2. he would be elected as such by some larger portion of people again with some merits tovards the state and country.
3. this position couldnt be under any circumstances inherited.
4. the elected monarch would have to be primarily the greatest among the servers of the country or some ideal behind which the citizens rally - an aristocrat of the spirit.
5. that would require some kind of unprecented unification of people not on the base of nationalism, race, economic profit etc but some spiritual ideal and understanding.

By making sure good people of good character - regardless of ideology - outlast modern society.
I was asking "How you want to achieve that governance is rest on divine power?"
 
Bottomline: Societal change is enabled by the actions of individuals. Often, one remarkable individual may change the course of a society's development. To fully understand societal change, we will need to evaluate the intentions of every individual involved, from king to commoner.

"Science may be described as the art of systematic over-simplification — the art of discerning what we may with advantage omit."
 
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