Crime Doesn't Pay
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You have to clarify what you mean by "fully divorced from religion."Could Darwin have been the last of such rational, and after him science was fully divorced from religion?
You have to clarify what you mean by "fully divorced from religion."Could Darwin have been the last of such rational, and after him science was fully divorced from religion?
I'm going to state something bold here, I hope you don't mind: Kant is rarely; if ever, outright and utterly; totally wrong. Perhaps his stance on homosexuality would be an example of him being wrong, but that's the product of him being born at a certain day and age.
Where did the belief that beings such as demons were genuinely evil, and not simply testing humanity come from? Or the belief that some angels are in revolt against God? Rabbinic Judaism claims that Satan is just an agent of God (which is also strongly implied by the Book of Job, so it is probably is an old belief), and although I've heard of demons in Jewish folk tales I've never seen them mentioned in serious theology.
Perhaps misrepresenting Satan as an agent of God was an argument against the notion there was a separate spiritual world? The book of Job does not imply that Satan was an agent of God. That is what the humans in the story rationalized. In the account God did not send Satan. God allowed Satan the privilege of control over the humans in the account. To rationalize that God sent Satan could be a way to view the story if one did not have all the facts, or if one does not even think the story is factual to begin with.Where did the belief that beings such as demons were genuinely evil, and not simply testing humanity come from? Or the belief that some angels are in revolt against God? Rabbinic Judaism claims that Satan is just an agent of God (which is also strongly implied by the Book of Job, so it is probably is an old belief), and although I've heard of demons in Jewish folk tales I've never seen them mentioned in serious theology.
Most people were racist in his time by today's standards. Kant was slightly less racist than most people in his time, as a result of his philosophy.His racism rather comes to mind here - and that can't be excused as being a product of his time, since it was not the generally accepted view even among just white Europeans.
I think in the Second Temple period - you find unambiguously evil demons in the Dead Sea Scrolls - but this is very much well out of my area of expertise!
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.60 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.61 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.62 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
it must be firmly believed that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door."
Kasper's a pretty mainstream theologian, as far as I can tell, but I thought the Catholic Church always held that faith in Christ was required for salvation.
Dominus Iesus said:With the coming of the Saviour Jesus Christ, God has willed that the Church founded by him be the instrument for the salvation of all humanity (cf. Acts 17:30-31). This truth of faith does not lessen the sincere respect which the Church has for the religions of the world, but at the same time, it rules out, in a radical way, that mentality of indifferentism “characterized by a religious relativism which leads to the belief that ‘one religion is as good as another'”. If it is true that the followers of other religions can receive divine grace, it is also certain that objectively speaking they are in a gravely deficient situation in comparison with those who, in the Church, have the fullness of the means of salvation. However, “all the children of the Church should nevertheless remember that their exalted condition results, not from their own merits, but from the grace of Christ. If they fail to respond in thought, word, and deed to that grace, not only shall they not be saved, but they shall be more severely judged”...
“Indeed, God ‘desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth' (1 Tim 2:4); that is, God wills the salvation of everyone through the knowledge of the truth. Salvation is found in the truth. Those who obey the promptings of the Spirit of truth are already on the way of salvation. But the Church, to whom this truth has been entrusted, must go out to meet their desire, so as to bring them the truth... Indeed, the Church, guided by charity and respect for freedom, must be primarily committed to proclaiming to all people the truth definitively revealed by the Lord, and to announcing the necessity of conversion to Jesus Christ and of adherence to the Church through Baptism and the other sacraments, in order to participate fully in communion with God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Thus, the certainty of the universal salvific will of God does not diminish, but rather increases the duty and urgency of the proclamation of salvation and of conversion to the Lord Jesus Christ.
And you had, after Jesus died, you had first of all St Paul taking over, and basically Christianity was created by one of the most evil men in history, the anti-Semite Cyril of Alexandria. Who decided to gain power by murdering his rivals, the Nestorians, by convening a congress of bishops and killing all of his enemies. Cyril was really the Stalin figure of Christianity, killing everybody who was an enemy, organizing pogroms against the Jews in Alexandria where he ruled.
And it was Cyril that really introduced into Christianity the whole idea of the Trinity. That’s what the whole fight was about in the third and fourth centuries AD. Was Jesus a human, was he a god? And essentially you had the Isis-Osiris, ISIS figure from Egypt, put into Christianity … The Christians were still trying to drive the Jews out of Christianity. And Cyril knew the one thing the Jewish population were not going to accept would be the Isis figure and the Mariolatry that the church became.
Is there truth to this description about Cyril's role?