Ask an Israeli

[Squonk]

Desired solution? Peace, israel keeping Jerusalem and Ariel settlements, Palestinians keep the rest.

Why would Palestinians agree to the loss of their capital and give a settlement that is located in the middle of their territory? And what would you give them in return?

1. Moldova and Ukraine.

Which places in Ukraine?

3. Ask a american.

Hm? what does it mean?

4. Why can't i go to mecca? Visit Yemen? Walk across Baghdad?

You should be able, and this could be arranged, apart from Mecca. BUT these are a very separate issue. So you are eviting the answer. Please do provide an answer, instead of pointing to shortcomings on the Arab side.

9. Thats a lie. The correct percentage is about 5%, and that is simply dumb(sorry) people.

Please act in a civilised manner; a lie implies a deliberate distorting of reality, and saying I lied is offensive to me. You could say it's not true, which wouldn't be offensive, because it wouldn't imply deliberateness. I kindly ask you for apologising to me.
Also, I provided a link which shows that Moshe Zimmerman found 25% of all Israelis blame Poles as much as Germans for the Holocaust.

10. Is there a friction between Jews of different origin?

12,13. Uh, if you believe that non-Jews should be second-class citizens in Israel, you by the same logic white-wash the discrimination of minorities in other countries. What would be your reaction to the same claim, like "Yes, Jews should be second-class citizens. This is a German state"?

 

[Natan35]

Do you think Israel would be more Pro-Palestinian if there weren't Pro-Palestinian activists in general that are sprouting inflaming rethoric?

Nothing about museums? I'm sure Israel has plenty of stuff to put in museums.

How much truth is there to the joke that "If there are two Jews in a room, there will be three opinions on what to do"?

I think you need to answer this question: Why is it good for Sweden to recognize Israel, but not good for Sweden to recognize Palestine?

Do you not think countries recognizing Israel would have pushed Palestinian politics a bit to the right as well?

And how could Sweden force Israel's hand anyway? It's a tiny insignificant country. It's a silly place, really.

Yes. Israeli public is quite paranoid about making an agreement. Trying to force Israel's hand won't do any good.
I would highly suggest the Latrun armor museum, and Jerusalem is full of museums. I just(somenot great museum fan.
Its not really true....
Israel is pretty real country, that has a control of(some) territory. Regardless, recognizing Palestine now is basically ruining relations with Israel and pushes the peace backwards... i dont think they push Palestinian politics to the right.

 

[Natan35]

Why would Palestinians agree to the loss of their capital and give a settlement that is located in the middle of their territory? And what would you give them in return?



Which places in Ukraine?



Hm? what does it mean?



You should be able, and this could be arranged, apart from Mecca. BUT these are a very separate issue. So you are eviting the answer. Please do provide an answer, instead of pointing to shortcomings on the Arab side.



Please act in a civilised manner; a lie implies a deliberate distorting of reality, and saying I lied is offensive to me. You could say it's not true, which wouldn't be offensive, because it wouldn't imply deliberateness. I kindly ask you for apologising to me.
Also, I provided a link which shows that Moshe Zimmerman found 25% of all Israelis blame Poles as much as Germans for the Holocaust.

10. Is there a friction between Jews of different origin?

12,13. Uh, if you believe that non-Jews should be second-class citizens in Israel, you by the same logic white-wash the discrimination of minorities in other countries. What would be your reaction to the same claim, like "Yes, Jews should be second-class citizens. This is a German state"?

I apologise for my comment... i was in some sort of rush...
I remind you that this is a thread to questions about Israel and Israelis... not about Jews in general or Judaism and its not a thread for "what if" questions... I merely try to explain the situation in Israel. therefore i can't answer the question regarding a Palestine controlled
Jerusalem.
Yes, there is a friction.
When i said that, i talked about the (current) situation and (public)expectations from the country, not my opinion.

About the link, i don't believe it provides correct information, but if it is, i can't explain this... probably, a lack of knowledge.

 

[ori]

Re Perception of Polish role in the Holocaust: it is rooted more in the perception of polish collaboration in persecution than in any knowledge or lack thereof of German role in it - history of the holocaust as understood in Israeli society is colored in large part through the experience of those surviving the Holocaust or fleeing in its wake and making their way to then Palestine or the relatively newly established state of Israel with immigration from polish areas being a rather large part of overall immigration in the 1930s through 1950 or thereabouts and making up an even larger part of early Israeli society's leaders. Poland did not endear itself to those both due to active suppression of Jews even prior to German occupation in the 1930s and due to semi-official continued persecution of those precious few polish jews surviving and returning to Poland after the war's end - further a rather large role in the perception is the rather popular interpretation of the Warsaw uprising as proof positive that polish resistance could have aided the Warsaw Ghetto's uprising a year earlier but chose not too (not something actually based on much factual evidence).

In essence polish role in the holocaust was complicated as everywhere else but due to strong anti-semitic policies prior to German occupation and in the years afterwards the perception has been and still is one of eager collaboration.

 

[Domen]

Is this book (written by Polish Jews in the 1930s) available in Israel in Hebrew or English translation?

"Żydzi w Polsce Odrodzonej. Działalność społeczna, gospodarcza, oświatowa i kulturalna."

In English (plus a table of contents translated to English - author of each chapter is given):

"Jews in the Reborn Poland. Social, economic, educational and cultural activity":

VOLUME ONE, Warsaw 1933:

Publisher's Note
Introduction - Dr Ozjasz Thon

PART I - Jews in the old Polish Rzeczpospolita [Commonwealth]:

1. Growth of Jewish population in the lands of old Polish Commonwealth - Dr Ignacy Schiper
2. External history of Jews in the old Commonwealth - Dr Emanuel Ringelblum
3. Internal Organization of Jews in the old Commonwealth - Dr I. Schiper
4. Economic history of Jews of the Crown and of the Grand Duchy in pre-partitions times - Dr I. Schiper
5. Fundamental rights of Jews in pre-partitions Poland - Dr Mojżesz Schorr
6. Jewish taxes to the state and to patrons - Dr I. Schiper

PART II - Jewish culture in Poland before the partitions:

7. Rabbinic literature of Jews in the old Commonwealth - Dr Jeremjasz Frenkel
8. Vernacular languages of Polish Jews and their folk literature in the old Commonwealth - Dr I. Schiper
9. Jewish apologists and polemicists in the old Commonwealth - Dr I. Schiper
10. Secular sciences among Jews in the old Commonwealth - Dr I. Schiper
11. Misticism and messianic movements among Jews in the old Commonwealth - Dr I. Schiper
12. Chasidism among Jews in the old Commonwealth - Dr Jeremiasz Frenkel
13. Jewish doctors in the old Commonwealth - Dr Majer Bałaban
14. Plastic arts among Jews in the old Commonwealth - Dr I. Schiper
15. Jewish education in the old Commonwealth - Dr Majer Bałaban
16. Customs and private life of Jews in the old Commonwealth - Dr Majer Bałaban

PART III - Polish Jews in the post-partitions period until year 1918:

17. History of Jews in Galicia (1772 - 1918) - Dr Filip Friedman
18. Galician Jews during the World War (1914 - 1918) - Dr I. Schiper
19. History of Jews in the Duchy of Warsaw and in the Kingdom of Poland (1795 - 1863) - Dr I. Schiper
20. History of Jews in the Kingdom of Poland since 1864 until 1918 - Samuel Hirszhorn
21. Development of Chasidism among Jews in post-partitions Poland (1795 - 1918) - Dr Jeremiasz Frenkel
22. History of Zionism in Polish lands (until 1918) - Dr Ignacy Schiper
23. Jewish working class movement in pre-war period - Arjeh Tartakower
24. Jews in Polish Legions (1914 - 1917) - Władysław Konic
25. Jews under the Prussian partition (1772 - 1918) - Dr I. Schiper
26. Jews in northern and eastern Kresy in post-partitions times - Dr I. Schiper

VOLUME TWO, Warsaw 1933:

PART III - Polish Jews in the post-partitions period until year 1918 (continued):

26. Jews in northern and eastern Kresy in post-partitions times (continued) - Dr I. Schiper
27. Participation of Polish Jews in science (19th century and early 20th century) - Mateusz Mieses
28. Modern Hebrew literature in Poland - Dr Jeremiasz Frenkel
29. Jewish contribution to Polish literature (until year 1918) - Dr Wilhelm Fallek
30. Development of Jewish literature in post-partitions Poland - Dr I. Schiper
31. Rabbinic literature of Polish Jews in post-partitions times - Izaak Lewin
32. Polish Jews and fine arts until year 1918 - Aleksander Hafftka

PART IV - Jews in the Rzeczpospolita [Republic] of Poland in period 1918 - 1933:

34. Racial structure of Polish Jews - Dr Henryk Szpidbaum
35. Numbers and natural development of Jewish population in Poland - Dr Arjeh Tartakower
36. Fundamental rights of Jewish minority in Poland and their history - Dr Michał Ringel
37. Legislation of the Reborn Poland concerning its Jewish national minority - Aleksander Hafftka
38. Legislation of the Reborn Poland concerning Jewish communities - Dr Michał Ringel
39. Jewish political parties in the Reborn Poland - Aleksander Hafftka
40. Parliamentary life of Jews in the Reborn Poland - Aleksander Hafftka
41. Parliamentary and political activity of Jewish deputies and senators in the Reborn Poland - A. Hafftka

PART V - Economic life:

42. Occupational and social structure of Jews in the Reborn Poland - Dr Arjeh Tartakower
43. Issues concerning pauperization of Jewish population in Poland - J. Borenstein
44. Jews in agriculture in the areas of former Congress Poland and Eastern Kresy - Engineer Bernard Dobrzyński
45. Jews in agriculture in the region of Lesser Poland - Dr Ignacy Schiper
46. Jews in Polish banking - Adolf Peretz
47. Jews in banking and credit (Greater Poland, Lesser Poland, Wilno Region, Eastern Kresy) - Dr Ignacy Schiper
48. Participation of Jews in trade of the Reborn Poland - Engineer Maurycy Zajdeman
49. Participation of Jews in the branch of dealership and commission - Leon Perl
50. Jews in Polish industry - Dr Ignacy Schiper & Aleksander Hafftka
51. Participation of Jews in communication and transport - Dr Ignacy Schiper
52. Jewish artisans in the Reborn Poland - A. Hafftka
53. Jewish working class in Poland - Dr Arjeh Tartakower
54. Jewish cooperatives in the Reborn Poland - Abraham Prowalski

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I don't know if there is also Volume Three, perhaps not (though it was planned before WW2).

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If this book is still not available then I definitely think that it should be translated to Hebrew and English.

It is a huge work by the way (Volume One has almost 600 pages and Volume Two has over 650 pages).

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I traced the fate of authors of this book:

a) Died from natural causes before WW2:

Adolf Peretz - died in 1933 in Warsaw
Ozjasz Thon - died in 1936 in Cracow
Bernard Dobrzyński - died in 1938 in Warsaw

b) Killed by the Soviet Union:

Michał Ringel - died after 1939 in Siberia
Mojżesz Schorr - died in 1941 in Uzbekistan

c) Killed by Nazi Germany:

Wilhelm Fallek - died in 1941 in Brody
Mateusz Mieses - died perhaps in 1942
Majer Bałaban - died in 1942 in Warsaw
Samuel Hirszorn - died in 1942 in Warsaw
Ignacy Schiper - died in 1943 in Majdanek
Emanuel Ringelblum - died in 1944 in Warsaw

d) Survived the Holocaust:

Filip Friedman - died in 1960 in New York
Aleksander Hafftka - died in 1964 in New York
Arjeh Tartakower - died in 1982 in Jerusalem
Izaak Lewin - died in 1995 in New York

e) Unknown fate (perhaps perished in WW2?):

Henryk Szpidbaum

f) I couldn't find any info so far:

Władysław Konic
Jeremiasz Frenkel
J. Borenstein
Maurycy Zajdeman
Leon Perl
Abraham Prowalski

 

[caketastydelish]

How does it feel that so many openly racist, hateful people oppose Israel's each and every move?

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[SS-18 ICBM]

Do you feel people can talk about Israel without bringing up their current conflicts? How do you feel about your country being defined in terms of this conflict?

 

[Kyriakos]

Do you feel people can talk about Israel without bringing up their current conflicts?

Indeed Israel is a very specific case, and is not the same as discussing all Jewish people or their doings in other regions/times.

That country was created a few decades ago and has been causing hell on the place ever since.
If it was a thread about Jewish people, and not *Israel*, then i am sure more things could be mentioned and rarely have similar tones. But now you are bound to keep reading about how Ismael Samsa woke up in his house one morning to find himself transformed into a giant beetle- and the IDF bombed the place minutes later.

 

[Domen]

Except that "Am Israel" and "Jewish people" are synonyms.

"Israel" = "Land of the Jews".

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

But Israel and Jewish people are not synonyms.

 

[Domen]

"Am Israel" is "Jewish Nation" in Hebrew language.

Israel and Jewish people will never be synonyms.

They have been synonyms for thousands of years.

 

[Kyriakos]

^You should be kind and release that snark you cought

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

They have been synonyms for thousands of years.

No they haven't.

 

[Domen]

In Jewish tradition Israel (plural) = descendants of Israel (singular) son of Isaac. So Israel = Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_(name)

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Israel.html#.VGkRlmfQY08

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It just isn't.

 

[Domen]

Jewish peoples named their own country "Jewland" (Israel).

Israel literally means "Jewland", or even just "Jews" (depends if you use it as a name for peoples or for territory).

 

[kramerfan86]

You can make a similar argument for any ethnic group, it still doesnt mean all members of that group are to be judged by the actions of the "homeland" or vice versa.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

or even just "Jews" (depends if you use it as a name for peoples or for territory).

That's just arsegravy

 

[Domen]

it still doesnt mean all members of that group are to be judged by the actions of the "homeland" or vice versa.

Well I don't say that all Jewish people are to be blamed for what the state of Israel is doing.

I don't even think that you can blame all citizens of a given state for what its government is doing.

 

[Tahuti]

Jewish peoples named their own country "Jewland" (Israel).

Israel literally means "Jewland", or even just "Jews" (depends if you use it as a name for peoples or for territory).

Aren't you mistaken with Judea? 'Israel' means 'fighting alongside god'.