Ask OT: Where do people think I sit politically?

[Mise]

This thread is an opportunity for you to ask other people where they think you sit politically. It all started with Masada...

Out of interest where do people think I sit politically?

Pragmatist.

Extreme politically correct reverse-racist anti-liberty leftist

Reading your posts I kind of pegged you as center or somewhat left of center("center-left" might be too far). Until fairly recently I hadn't seen all that many of your poats so it's probably not a great judgment.

I've seen a lot of your posts and I still have no idea. "Not a loony" is about as good a read as I can get.

EDIT: Just to be clear, "not a loony" is supposed to be a compliment.

Centre-left? I think a lot of posters might peg you as quite far left because of your frankness about racism and colonialism, but the overall impression I get is (as Tailless says) pragmatically progressive.

Your pontifications on economic policy seems quite mainstream from what i've read.
Although the vast majority of you posts are to do with race, eurocentrism, ethnicity, white people and all this kind of stuff. So yeah, genuinely an extreme politicallycorectnat.

Then Takhisis followed suit:

I'd like to ask that very same question of the public here.

Inasmuch as you've shown your hand, you seem to be a moderate in most things, opposed to both condomless capitalism and Madurism. Left-leaning but not radical, wanting more focus on education and social safety nets but not wanting The Revolution to Liberate everyone and put the severed heads of political enemies on pikes.

So, have at it guys! If you're interested in other people's assessment of your political position, ask here, and I'm sure the mass debaters of OT, who have an opinion on literally everything, will be happy to oblige!

So yeah, where do people think I sit politically?


List of people who have asked to be rated, as collated by Metatron:

aelf:
Ajidica:
amadeus:
Angst:
Antilogic:
Azale:
azzaman:
BenitoChavez:
Borachio:
Camikaze:
cardgame:
carmen510:
Cheezy:
CivGeneral:
classical_hero:
Commodore:
Cutlass:
cybrxkhan:
Daird:
downtown:
El_Machinae:
Flying Pig:
Goodfella:
Graffito:
Grisu:
Harv:
hobbsyoyo:
Joecoolyo:
JollyRoger:
Kaiserguard:
Kyriakos:
Light Cleric:
Lord of Elves:
MagisterCultuum:
MilesGregarius:
Mise:
Narz:
nc-1701:
Owen Glyndwr:
Peck of Arabia:
Phrossack:
Quackers:
Rashiminos:
Rickard Cribb:
Silurian:
Snorrius:
taillesskangaru:
Terxpahseyton:
TheLastOne:
Takhisis:
Tolni:
Traitorfish:
Valka D'Ur:
Winner:
Wrymouth3:
Zack:

Not sure about:

BenitoChavez:
Farm Boy:
Gory the Grey:
haroon:
Hojsimpson:
Hygro:
Jehoshua:
Kennigit:
.Shane.:
timtofly:
ywhtptgtfo:



You can also check here for a full list of people who have posted in this thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=526568

Finally, here is the list of members in the permanent opt-in thread, in case you have a burning desire to rate one of those people's political views: http://forums.civfanatics.com/group.php?do=viewmembers&groupid=329

 

[Kyriakos]

Although it is a good thread (in my view), i hope it won't get too much trolling...

As for me, i don't care what others think of my political views. I am mostly in favor of the restoration of the Empire. The Komnenian golden aeon would be a start, or even a decent end, cause i am mostly focused on the general well-being of all peoples under the empire's unforgiving boot of steel

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

So, have at it guys! If you're interested in other people's assessment of your political position, ask here, and I'm sure the mass debaters of OT, who have an opinion on literally everything, will be happy to oblige!

I know where people think I sit politically. Most of them are wrong. But I'll ask anyway, because hell, why not. It'll be a good gauge of how effective I am at conveying my point.

So yeah, where do people think I sit politically?

The classic British liberal. Further left on social issues than on economic ones, but still comfortably center. You probably vote Lib-Dem, although Labour may be an option again since Milliband took over, but you probably don't like Ed himself, and wouldn't vote for them if they reintroduced Clause IV. While not overly fond of nationalization and generally pro-EU, the recent trends toward privatization of the welfare state make you uncomfortable.

Pretty accurate?

 

[Kyriakos]

Mise has notably posted a number of times that he is in favor of laws governing (or trying to) the internet, which would supposedly help limit 'hate-crime' or other widely antagonistic views that potentially can cause harm. I think this may place him a bit more to the center, or in some respects to a (so-called) 'right', ie a bit of authoritarianism as a theoretical shield against other social ills.

But i don't agree with him on that. Besides, Republic of Cameron also favors those sorts of web draconian laws.

 

[Angst]

Cheezy is 'red', but I don't know him well enough to properly extrapolate. There is wayyy too much infighting in marxist traditions for me to walk out the plank and just guess, as I will surely fail and shock someone with my stupidity. But heck: You're a classical marxist.

Don't punch me please.

Mise is a social liberal and pretty standard for what it entails. I'm sure he'd vote for the Social Democrats in Denmark.

Kyriakos is pretty much a Greek nationalist for what it entails - against institutional internationalism (EU) but adores a romanticized picture of Byzantium and Ancient Greece. I'm not sure, however, what that exactly means in economic politics. He's much more of a culture guy than an economics guy from what I can tell.


I'm very curious to whether people know how I identify - or what their impressions are of me. Now, where do you think I sit politically?

 

[Kyriakos]

^FWIW there is no party here which even remotely expresses my views. Surely not the likes of GD, and surely not the rest of the parties in the parliament. I don't doubt that a number of people in some (but surely not all) current parliamentary parties (including a few in the 'radical left' Syriza) have some general views which i could agree with, but they don't appear to be very close to anything i am thinking anyway. I mean we need torture-dungeons and blinding enforced as an act of heavenly repentance. I hate the half-measures that current parties argue for

So i would support, typically, any party which actually improves the current living standard, which is a much needed start.

 

[Angst]

I can relate to the parts where you are serious of course

 

[Flying Pig]

Given that I'm voting tomorrow, I'll throw my hat into the ring here.

 

[Mise]

I know where people think I sit politically. Most of them are wrong. But I'll ask anyway, because hell, why not. It'll be a good gauge of how effective I am at conveying my point.



The classic British liberal. Further left on social issues than on economic ones, but still comfortably center. You probably vote Lib-Dem, although Labour may be an option again since Milliband took over, but you probably don't like Ed himself, and wouldn't vote for them if they reintroduced Clause IV. While not overly fond of nationalization and generally pro-EU, the recent trends toward privatization of the welfare state make you uncomfortable.

Pretty accurate?

Very.

For the record, I've only ever voted Labour in general elections (I tend to spread my votes around a bit between Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, and independents that I like in local and European elections). I am still undecided on the election that takes place tomorrow -- for the first time ever, I don't know who I'm going to vote for. I like the Lib Dems more now that they've dropped a lot of silly policies that are the luxury of parties in opposition, and I dislike Labour more now that they have adopted a lot of silly policies that are the luxury of parties in opposition. I don't like Ed Miliband. I don't know where that leaves me.

You're a "red", but a more thoughtful, less frenetic one than the ones I used to know in university (back when I was way more left wing than I am now). I don't know enough about the far left to comment more specifically. While I disagree with your economic diagnosis (much less your prescription), I respect and admire your principled stance on labour issues, feminism, race and so on.

Mise has notably posted a number of times that he is in favor of laws governing (or trying to) the internet, which would supposedly help limit 'hate-crime' or other widely antagonistic views that potentially can cause harm. I think this may place him a bit more to the center, or in some respects to a (so-called) 'right', ie a bit of authoritarianism as a theoretical shield against other social ills.

But i don't agree with him on that. Besides, Republic of Cameron also favors those sorts of web draconian laws.

A few slightly biased phrases () but other than that a fair assessment. I can certainly see why you'd classify my advocacy in this particular area (and other similar cases) as authoritarian.

Mise is a social liberal and pretty standard for what it entails. I'm sure he'd vote for the Social Democrats in Denmark.

I'm very curious to whether people know how I identify - or what their impressions are of me. Now, where do you think I sit politically?

I don't know much about Social Democrats nowadays but back when it was Blair, Schroeder and Chirac tearing it up in the 2000s, I certainly identified with Social Democrats, especially the Nordic ones.

You're a difficult one for me to peg because the posts of yours I come across tend to be on more esoteric philosophical or literary subjects. I guess I'd call you a standard left wing Scandinavian guy, certainly more left than me but probably well within the Social Democrat tent.

 

[Mise]

Given that I'm voting tomorrow, I'll throw my hat into the ring here.

Classic centre-left Labour voter IMO.

 

[Quackers]

Mise: economically he opts for the "third way". The policies of Blair and Clinton. He knows that capitalism produces wealth but he is aware that it causes social ills too. He is prepared to let capitalism off the leash (in contrast to typical Labour grassroot activists) in order for the state to tax the wealth producing parts of the economy to address social maladies such as inequality.

Social policies: In favour of the EU, high immigration and the concept of a multicultural society. Has no problem with homosexual marriage, abortions or divorce. May have perceptions of the UK warped by living in an international city.

 

[Tahuti]

Okay, one last post before I will have to leave for quite a few days.

So yeah, where do people think I sit politically?

Classical liberal, with some social democratic influences. Carbon copied from the Economist. Not too long ago I was exactly the same as you still are.

^FWIW there is no party here which even remotely expresses my views. Surely not the likes of GD, and surely not the rest of the parties in the parliament. I don't doubt that a number of people in some (but surely not all) current parliamentary parties (including a few in the 'radical left' Syriza) have some general views which i could agree with, but they don't appear to be very close to anything i am thinking anyway. I mean we need torture-dungeons and blinding enforced as an act of heavenly repentance. I hate the half-measures that current parties argue for

So i would support, typically, any party which actually improves the current living standard, which is a much needed start.

You stick to traditions. I think your views are very close to mine, despite our disagreements, or perhaps, because of our disagreements. We are in many ways our own opinions.

I'm very curious to whether people know how I identify - or what their impressions are of me. Now, where do you think I sit politically?

You are a post-modern left-winger. Occasionally you agree with me for our shared opposition to the enlightenment and overt focus on economic effiency, and we both believe in the importance of beauty and culture in society and irrationality as a fundamental aspect of human nature. At many points we will disagree, primarily in regards to egalitarianism and democracy. While opposed to the enlightenment, you lack the Pre-Modernist Chronocentrism that characterises my views.

 

[Mise]

I forgot to do Kyriakos. I'd put you on the right of the spectrum, a Greek nationalist. Agree with Angst pretty much.

Quackers: Socially has a lot in common with fascists and nationalists. I don't know where he stands economically. 3-4 years ago, around the time of the last General Election, I'd have called him economically liberal, but I think since then he's been influenced by the social consequences of economic liberalism. E.g. to be economically liberal, you have to have a liassez-faire attitude towards things like globalisation, immigration, race, nationality, etc, and this doesn't sit well with his social attitudes. So I think he's becoming more and more like a traditional British conservative as he gets older: less cosmopolitan, more traditional.

Kaiserguard: Yep, not long ago we'd have agreed on the vast majority of things, but now you're much more conservative. I forgot what you self identify as, and tbh I haven't encountered enough of the "new you" to really judge where you sit, so for now you're a conservative.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Post-modern is perhaps the best word to describe Angst, in my opinion.

 

[Tee Kay]

Opting in to being described

 

[TheLastOne36]

My impression of Mise is that you are a lot like myself, bipartisan when it comes to politics and political parties, pragmatic and able to see and agree or disagree with both sides of the political spectrum.

I'll opt in. I haven't really posted heavily on CFC in recent years and I mostly save my political discourse for Toronto-related forums, so not sure what kind of 'diagnoses' people have for me here. Most of you probably remember my posts years back as a teenage Polish nationalist, well I've since learned to hate nationalism with every fiber of my being.

 

[Flying Pig]

Mise and I agree on a lot of things, I think. I'm not sure whether I count as a far-left liberal or extremely moderate socialist, to be honest, though I've got to admit flirting with voting Green in the council election, since they've got a relatively good chance of winning seats here.

 

[downtown]

I think I agree with the basic reads of Mise and Cheezy in here. I'd consider Mise to be what we'd consider in the states to be more of a 3rd way, Clinton-ish type (which I imagine mostly transfers to being a Lib Dem?). FWIW, Mise is probably one of the people I find myself agreeing with the most, when I still bother to engage in political threads on OT anymore.

Cheezy is a communist. Which particular flavor of communist is beyond my purview.

Oh, and I'll opt in or whatevers

 

[Cutlass]

I'll opt in.

 

[Traitorfish]

Opting in for description, noting that wearing an "ask an anarchist" signature may prejudice answers somewhat.



Cheezy: "Debsian" is probably the best term. Strong syndicalist bent, i.e. emphasis on industrial unions, but also believes in the utility of electoral politics for achieving short-term demands.

Mise: Generally left-liberal, and supportive of the welfare system and moderate redistributive policies. "Typical Guardian-reader", I think we'd tend to call it in the UK.

Downtown: Moderate progressive? Definitely on the left wing of the Democratic party, but still remaining firmly within the Democratic party.

Flying Pig: I'm going to agree with Mise's evaluation of "classic Labour voter". Firmly centre-left in most respects, but "small-c conservative" on certain cultural and social issues. Reminds me of a lot of my family, basically- erm, minus the Irish republican sympathies, mind you.

Takhisis: Liberal social democrat; supportive of redistributive policies, but with a scepticism towards the state born of the experience of the Latin American left's tendency towards paternalism and patronage.

Cutlass: Left-liberal with a pronounced technocratic bent, although one with an anti-aristocratic rather than anti-democratic orientation; far as I can tell, you tend to view the state as a stand-in for the demos in modern society.