At Least 120 Dead in Paris Attacks

[Gucumatz]

While warmongers are hardly blameless let's not blame ourselves for nut job terrorists.

I am writing this quote down for personal future use (if you dont mind of course ). I am not a conservative, but I personally despise when people blame Bush, Blair, (and Obama) alike for the growth of these international terrorist cells as if any influence we have had on their growth was anything but tertiary at most

 

[JohnRM]

Your statement was in essence:

"I care about the refugees but not enough to actually do anything to help them."

So why even bother with that preface. If you're going to be a racist asshat at least own it.

Quite amusing. Is it past your bedtime, Junior? You're really cranky.

I care enough to help the refugees where they are. There is no reason to bring them to the west where they have not been able to integrate and where at least a few of them have become terrorists. Establish refugee camps and care for them where they are so that once the conflict ends, they can return home.

The race card should simply be considered a corollary to Godwin's Law.

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[Narz]

There is nothing wrong with sympathizing with those who will suffer from these attacks along with those suffering the attacks.

As a fellow human, it all hurts the same.

Getting blown to bits or having a family member killed for no reason hurts more...

"I hope no one in the future is racist and mean because violence maniacs assaulted people based solely on the fact that they didn't share their beliefs"...

 

[Gucumatz]

Getting blown to bits or having a family member killed for no reason hurts more...

"I hope no one in the future is racist and mean because violence maniacs assaulted people based solely on the fact that they didn't share their beliefs"...

I think the question is where the rage is being directed at. I am with joecool - I don't want such understandable rage directed at innocent refugees and people adjusting to European society. But against extremists, by all means be "mean"

 

[JohnRM]

I doubt it will cause any racism but fear of crazy fundie terrorists, probably.

No sympathy for the victims, just a call for more tolerance of the belief systems that fuel this violence...

+1

Racism, fear of crazy fundamentalists...what they heard was you repeating yourself.

 

[Rashiminos]

I was just talking to my colleagues earlier about how huge, coordinated terrorist attacks are no longer possible due to better intelligence. Then I read about how 160 people are dead in many locations. Who screwed up and missed any sign of coordination of these attacks?

I'm thinking there's some confusion between 'better intelligence' and 'screwing up and missing' coordination of attacks.

 

[Tee Kay]

No sympathy for the victims, just a call for more tolerance of the belief systems that fuel this violence...

Hatred fueled this violence, or do you disagree.

 

[Ice_Tyrant]

I think the question is where the rage is being directed at. I am with joecool - I don't want such understandable rage directed at innocent refugees and people adjusting to European society. But against extremists, by all means be "mean"

It's kind of disgusting that it even needs to be said that people innocent who share nothing with the attackers except a religion should not be targeted in retribution for what happened.

This kind of violence is the reason the refugees started coming into Europe. What will be known as a national tragedy for Paris would just be Tuesday to them back home.

 

[JohnRM]

It's kind of disgusting that it even needs to be said that people innocent who share nothing with the attackers except a religion should not be targeted in retribution for what happened.

This kind of violence is the reason the refugees started coming into Europe. What will be known as a national tragedy for Paris would just be Tuesday to them back home.

I highly doubt that it even needs to be said. There will, of course, be a few isolated incidents of such foolish retaliation, but by and large, nothing will near the scale of your imagination.

 

[Gucumatz]

It isn't necessarily retaliation which is at stake [although its a possibility, I have faith in Europe to behave relatively well - as naive as that may be] - funding for refugee shelters and homes, programs for integration, etc. are all at stake in a politically changing Europe

 

[Rashiminos]

Hatred fueled this violence, or do you disagree.

I'd leave open the possibility for alternative fuels as of this time.

 

[JohnRM]

It isn't necessarily retaliation which is at stake [although its a possibility, I have faith in Europe to behave relatively well - as naive as that may be] - funding for refugee shelters and homes, programs for integration, etc. are all at stake in a politically changing Europe

This is certainly true and would be counterproductive. Those that are here already cannot be convinced not to become terrorists by making them desperate and apparently suspect in their new land.

 

[Takhisis]

It's kind of disgusting that it even needs to be said that people innocent who share nothing with the attackers except a religion should not be targeted in retribution for what happened.

But necessary, given that these terrorists believe in applying Sippenhaft the entire Western/Christian civilisation.

This kind of violence is the reason the refugees started coming into Europe. What will be known as a national tragedy for Paris would just be Tuesday to them back home.

Usual shouldn't become normal, normal shouldn't become natural.

 

[Gucumatz]

Hollande has promised action against the attackers.

If its ISIS, do you all think this could be the prelude to sending ground troops to Iraq/Eastern Syria? ISIS is a much weaker military organized force than people realize and would crumble largely in the face of significant military force [what happens to the territory afterwards and rise of possible insurgencies would be another matter of course]

 

[Narz]

Hatred fueled this violence, or do you disagree.

Hatred is a very small piece of this. I've hated plenty of people in my life (who've done severely wrong by me), I don't obsess on that hate, build an ideaology around it. I do my best to get on with life & get on in society even though I hate many things about society.

Hate is normal, violently slaughtering innocent people not so much.

I never said the world was fair or that the West sticking their nose & weapons where they're not wanted doesn't contribute to this stuff.

I just get annoyed by the trend of always blaming ourselves.

 

[Tee Kay]

But necessary, given that these terrorists believe in applying Sippenhaft the entire Western/Christian civilisation.

So what, we apply the same to the entire Muslim civilisation? Joy.

 

[Takhisis]

No, no, TK, no. We must not fall into the same trap as those morons do, the trap idiots like Marine Le Pen will try to lure us into. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

 

[Tee Kay]

No, no, TK, no. We must not fall into the same trap as those morons do, the trap idiots like Marine Le Pen will try to lure us into. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

Oh yeah, I thought you meant necessary as in "it's necessary that Muslims be targeted"

Sorry, terrorism has a way of screwing with people's heads and I'm not sure whether you're still sane. I wasn't sure if I was sane myself earlier today.

 

[Commodore]

People know France is already bombing in Syria yeah?

Yes but Hollande is now talking about taking the lead in the operations against ISIS. I am not familiar with how French politicians handle situations like this, so I was wondering if Hollande is just saying what he's saying to instill confidence in the French people, or if he's seriously considering ramping up French operations against ISIS now that the violence has hit home.

 

[Tee Kay]

French intervention combining military and diplomatic solutions to bring the Syrian Civil War to a swift end might be the best-case scenario arising out of this.