BBC changing history

[Berzerker]

The Ainu might have some thoughts about the recent appearance of racism from the Atlantic slave trade

I suspect racism is inherent but I'd argue its at least as old as mankind. There was a time when our ancestors entered a world surrounded by 'archaic' humans and we killed them off.

 

[Lexicus]

I suspect racism is inherent but I'd argue its at least as old as mankind.

No surprise there, racists always do this as an excuse for their racism.

There was a time when our ancestors entered a world surrounded by 'archaic' humans and we killed them off.

Except there is virtually no evidence of this, and there is evidence that we banged 'em, so...

 

[warpus]

I think I have been vindicated as the OP decided to veer deeply into tin-foil-hat-land and propose, in apparent seriousness, said stuff like this:

That makes im an "edgelord"? Okay maybe, I know nothing about edgelords, maybe you do, *shrug*

Just seems like a waste of time either way

 

[Berzerker]

No surprise there, racists always do this as an excuse for their racism.

I didn't realize racists had such a fond habit of identifying the traits they have in common with 'them', they seem more intent on looking for distinctions to show a preferred origin.

Except there is virtually no evidence of this, and there is evidence that we banged 'em, so...

You mean virtually no evidence other than the fact we're around and they aren't? We entered the world in relatively small numbers surrounded by peoples and we replaced them. The Zulu have a myth about their ancestors killing the apemen, I imagine they also had a racially based taboo against mixing with the enemy. But racists do quite a bit of banging so the appearance of DNA we share with archaic humans outside of Africa doesn't mean our racist ancestors didn't kill them off.

 

[Lexicus]

You mean virtually no evidence other than the fact we're around and they aren't?

That certainly doesn't constitute evidence that we killed them all off.

 

[Arwon]

That makes im an "edgelord"? Okay maybe, I know nothing about edgelords, maybe you do, *shrug*

Just seems like a waste of time either way

You hadn't noticed the way that crowd have merged with/become internet Nazis?

 

[El_Machinae]

You know, before this thread, I would have predicted against roman africans in Britain. Not typical, I find out. But not unheard of. That said, exceptions are what get press. I wonder if the artists were falling for some type of recency bias?

 

[Berzerker]

That certainly doesn't constitute evidence that we killed them all off.

Aren't we causing a mass extinction now? There is a pattern to our madness, but the rest of the paragraph was meant to be supporting evidence. Course, we had maybe 200,000 years to kill them off...

I assume researchers are selecting DNA ostensibly unique to Eurasian archaic humans when making claims about interbreeding, but until we have a more thorough understanding of hominid DNA we might be over estimating their contribution.

 

[Samson]

Aren't we causing a mass extinction now? There is a pattern to our madness, but the rest of the paragraph was meant to be supporting evidence. Course, we had maybe 200,000 years to kill them off...

I assume researchers are selecting DNA ostensibly unique to Eurasian archaic humans when making claims about interbreeding, but until we have a more thorough understanding of hominid DNA we might be over estimating their contribution.

I think we have a pretty good idea. They have sequenced neanderthal DNA and found a small but significant amount in Europeans. They have also found evidence of other homonid DNA (Denisovans, thanks El Machinae) in east asians.

So they did not die out, they turned into (a bit of) us.

 

[El_Machinae]

You're thinking Denisovians

 

[Lexicus]

Floriensis were the "hobbits" found in Indonesia, no?

 

[Hrothbern]

You know, before this thread, I would have predicted against roman africans in Britain. Not typical, I find out. But not unheard of. That said, exceptions are what get press. I wonder if the artists were falling for some type of recency bias?

yes
If you look at the text below, the article is based on DNA from 4 skeletons out of 20,000 available this multi-ethnic ancient London.
But not only that.... they picked out 1 of those 4 skeletons because the skeleton showed already likely sub-sahara skeleton characteristics !
huh.......
And look who said that: "like many people living in the Capital today, she had travelled a long distance to get in London".... the BBC !
huh....
the article is BTW from Nov 2015.... makes me wonder when this BBC stuff has started production.

Full text:
"London Museum researchers worked with scientists at Canada’s McMaster University and England’s Durham University to reconstruct the DNA of four people. The remains of the 20,000 people are stored in cardboard boxes in a storehouse. The DNA analysis reveals where the people came from and how they lived and died. Analyses of more skeletons is expected to greatly expand knowledge of London’s history.
One of the individuals, whom the researchers named “the Lant Street teenager,” was about 14, grew up in North Africa and had maternal DNA common in southeastern Europe and western Eurasia. In addition to analyzing their DNA they looked at the chemicals in these individuals’ teeth to determine where they had lived. While she had blue eyes, her skeleton showed evidence she may have some sub-Saharan Africa ancestry. “Like many people living in the capital today, she had travelled a long distance to be in London,” the BBC wrote".

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news...may-have-been-ethnically-diverse-today-004682

 

[Berzerker]

I think we have a pretty good idea. They have sequenced neanderthal DNA and found a small but significant amount in Europeans. They have also found evidence of other homonid DNA (Denisovans, thanks El Machinae) in east asians.

So they did not die out, they turned into (a bit of) us.

Do we have a good understanding of African DNA prior to our appearance? If Eurasian hominids originated in Africa then they came from the same peoples we came from, so researchers are undoubtedly looking at DNA mutations unique to Eurasians after they left. But without knowing our African DNA sources we dont know what is or isn't unique. We share DNA with homo erectus, they died out nonetheless. Now the Flores people add an interesting twist, they appear to be smaller versions of erectus and survived until fairly recently. Why were our African ancestors evolving into us when our out-of-Africa relatives didn't?

 

[Berzerker]

the article is BTW from Nov 2015.... makes me wonder when this BBC stuff has started production.

Full text:
"London Museum researchers worked with scientists at Canada’s McMaster University and England’s Durham University to reconstruct the DNA of four people. The remains of the 20,000 people are stored in cardboard boxes in a storehouse. The DNA analysis reveals where the people came from and how they lived and died. Analyses of more skeletons is expected to greatly expand knowledge of London’s history.
One of the individuals, whom the researchers named “the Lant Street teenager,” was about 14, grew up in North Africa and had maternal DNA common in southeastern Europe and western Eurasia. In addition to analyzing their DNA they looked at the chemicals in these individuals’ teeth to determine where they had lived. While she had blue eyes, her skeleton showed evidence she may have some sub-Saharan Africa ancestry. “Like many people living in the capital today, she had travelled a long distance to be in London,” the BBC wrote".

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news...may-have-been-ethnically-diverse-today-004682

So did the cartoon makers base their story on that?

 

[Arakhor]

From what I can tell from the BBC website, the clip is dated May 2014.

 

[Hrothbern]

So did the cartoon makers base their story on that?

Not their story, but their setting of the story.

How nice and convenient to picture London as an international multi-ethnic Metropolis since the the ancient Romans.
It is also the London Museum research that comes with that linked article.

 

[Arakhor]

How nice and convenient to picture London as an international multi-ethnic Metropolis since the the ancient Romans.

Well, if it wasn't Africans, it was the Jews and if not them, the peoples of the New World. That's what tends to happen in trading cities.

 

[Samson]

Do we have a good understanding of African DNA prior to our appearance? If Eurasian hominids originated in Africa then they came from the same peoples we came from, so researchers are undoubtedly looking at DNA mutations unique to Eurasians after they left. But without knowing our African DNA sources we dont know what is or isn't unique. We share DNA with homo erectus, they died out nonetheless. Now the Flores people add an interesting twist, they appear to be smaller versions of erectus and survived until fairly recently. Why were our African ancestors evolving into us when our out-of-Africa relatives didn't?

I have not studied it in detail. I think the basic idea is that you some neanderthal DNA seguences, some denisovan DNA seguences and modern human DNA from all over the world. Europeans have some of the neanderthal, east asians have some of the denisovan and africans have neither. Homo Sapiens Sapiens evolved in africa, some stayed and became africans, some left, entered europe and bred with neanderthals and became europeans and some entered east asia, bred with denisovans and became east asians.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You know the best part of this overhyped non-issue?

A lot of people know a lot more about roman history in Brittain because of it.

 

[Hrothbern]

Well, if it wasn't Africans, it was the Jews and if not them, the peoples of the New World. That's what tends to happen in trading cities.

Today's London yes
I have a book: the Tribes of Britain from David Miles. Very solid and interesting. My older brother has it borrowed now. So I cannot quote from it.

But his understanding, by him put in carefull scientific archeologist terms, is that the tribes of Britain, their genes, were in majority from normal contacts with NW mainland Europe, before London was something at all.
He could also find no indication at all that the waves of invasions had effect on the genes of the Britain tribes.... as if the distribution of genes in Britain was already there in the invading tribes that lived in NW mainland Europe
So.... all in all: nothing spectactular... just a gradual populating of Britain and normal contacts over a long time, starting from the time there was still a land bridge with mainland, long before London was there.