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BBC changing history
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If only the Bbc was in Holland, with that national icon Blackface helper of Santa Clause, right?
haha
More and more of the helpers of Santa Clause have meanwhile all the colors of the rainbow or smarties
The oldest record of our childs feast celebration of Santa Clause goes back to 1427.
This Santa Clause, St Nicolas, born in AD 270 in Patara (Greece), being the bishop of Smyrna (Turkey) and the patron of children, seaman and merchants (and Amsterdam
).So he became very popular in the seafaring, merchant Netherlands. The story is also that seamen brought gifts with them for their children after their long journeys to Asia etc.
All in all the most important feast for children... because of the gifts and sweets.
By some odd twist the folklore states that St Nicolas travels each year by boat from Spain (!) to Holland, with as servants Moors, of which there were a lot of in medieval Spain.
BTW putting Santa Clause at the same level as St Nicolas is blasphemy
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Kyriakos has this spiel to troll me about Dutch stuff he is clueless about. I have no idea why, but best is to ignore it.haha
More and more of the helpers of Santa Clause have meanwhile all the colors of the rainbow or smarties
Akka
Moody old mage.
The Legio IX Hispana was, IIRC, later seen at the great Jewish rebellion in Judea, so it survived Britain at the very least ^^
If only the Bbc was in Holland, with that national icon Blackface helper of Santa Clause, right?
No need for that, the BBC was still cheerfully broadcasting Blackface in 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_Fly_with_Me_(2010_TV_series)#Reception
The thing I find most amusing about this whole furore is people who clearly do not understand the first thing about the BBC attempting to accuse it of being part of a shadowy liberal conspiracy. I have to say I quite like the BBC, even if some of its flaws are evident. Despite its scandals and failings, it cannot be tritely dismissed as being any one thing. Depending on the weather (and who is slinging mud at it at that precise moment) it can be by turns well-meaningly multicultural, startlingly insensitive, unapologetically conservative, or the dreaded biased MSM.
No one is handled with kid-gloves, m8, don't take it personally.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
So have we figured out if ancient Greek heroes and/or gods were ever blackish?
Why would they be?
There isn't anyone noted to be black. On the other hand, there are references to black people, from Libya (means whole Africa) and particularly Ethiopia.
One of the more known hellenistic era romances is The Aethiopika, which is about a very white girl being born (in a convoluted plot likened to a snake's coil) by the very black king and queen of a sub-saharan land. The king didn't believe (who can blame him
) she was his daughter, so banished her. In the end it is revealed she indeed was(mystical reason).It is rather logical to note that there are other skin-tones in between pasty ghost-white, and pitch black/sub-saharan. Greeks, like Persians and other people of the era, were clearly white, probably with a similar tan to today. Maybe The Rock - who played Herakles - would fit right in. I found he looked the part - despite the movie being crap.
I wonder if in BBC they would consider this a racist question...
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
What about the bad guys? Couldnt they be black ?
Or some token charactor that is killed early on in the story of Homer or something
/s
We have been living in post truth world since the start of 2017
There are other issues which deserve attention
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
I don't know, that's why I'm asking. To me most Greek people look halfway between white and black. But I'm a purebread Polish guy, we are really really white.
There were Greek links to Egypt and other parts of Africa, wouldn't some of those people end up in Greece proper? Maybe dark-skinned slaves from elsewhere? I have no idea about ancient Greek other than the basics, so I have no idea what the people really looked like at the time or what the ethnic composition of the cities was, nor what the ancient Greeks thought their gods looked like. So I ask. Surely there's depictions that could be posted here
Borachio
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Since you'd mentioned QI a number of times, I started watching repeats of the programme.Aww, you just beat me to displaying my QI-founded wisdom
edit: Which is also BBC!
It is quite good, I can confirm. But it mainly seems to be about penises.
Not seeing it at all.
And going by your pics of yourself, you aren't "really really white(r than greeks)" either, so what is your point?
Of course some northerners are whiter, yet i am not seeing why that alone has to be "white". Isn't this a bit bizarre as a claim?
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
I just googled "Greeks" and everyone looks white.
I'm surprised. My friend is Sicilian and he is basically confused for an Indian all the time. I assumed Greeks and Sicilians were very similar in the average skin tone.
I'm surprised. My friend is Sicilian and he is basically confused for an Indian all the time. I assumed Greeks and Sicilians were very similar in the average skin tone.
MilesGregarius
Half-baked Renegade
What isn't?
Akka
Moody old mage.
It's obviously Google being racist and discriminatory here.
I'm outraged at your lack of outrage about this outrageous display of whitewashing.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
I mean, when I google "Black Greeks" it's just linking to all those stupid American fraternities or whatever
This post-truth-worldness is just like a fashion. No need to wear it the next season...
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
My work on this planet is complete.
The great Jewish revolt was in AD 70 or so, some 40 or 50 years before Legio IX is said to have disappeared in Britain.
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