Belarus riots

Remember how Russia was just about to go bankrupt because Putin and sanctions? We had years of that propaganda. Just any day now, you'll see :lol:
So Russia keeps financing Belarus' public deficit. Goof for them. Would they be better off under the tender care of the EU and IMF lending? It's it super that we have Ukraine next door under that care to compare with? So go ahead and compare. I'l be waiting.

You sure you want to compare EU with Russia ??? Cause Russia annexing parts of the Ukraine is the first thing i would suggest we have a long look at.

Sure. But even the fools in my country's government (and the foreign minister keeps running to the american ambassador like a trained puppy) can see the advantage of having one more player in the imperial game. What small countries do is try to balance them against each other and extract some concessions or even gifts for playing along with their imperial ambitions. China showing up as a player was a good thing from or point of view.

Its sure is working out well for those small countries.
 
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You sure you want to compare EU with Russia ??? Cause Russia annexing parts of the Ukraine is the first thing i would suggest we have a long look at.

Stop misdirecting. I suggested that you to compare Ukraine (following the EU's neoliberal polices) to Belarus. You are trying to change the talk to a "EU compared to Russia" thing to distract from that.

Its sure is working out well for those small countries.

It's working out better than being under the thumb of a single hegemonic power.
But if one's job is to misdirect showing understanding may be inconvenient.
 
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Stop misdirecting. I suggested that you to compare Ukraine (following the EU's neoliberal polices) to Belarus. You are trying to change the talk to a "EU compared to Russia" thing to distract from that.

Oh yeah that would be a dumb idea
What with Russian Invading and annexing that would make EU "imperialism" look like the good guys and we cant have that.
Well it definitely cant happen to Belarus.

The blessing, as far Lukashenko is concerned, is almost exactly half of this amount is owed to Russia, which can be relied on to restructure it before Belarus is forced to default. Indeed, most of the financial help Moscow has given Minsk has been debt relief; the first deal done in 2020 was to move $1.5bn worth of Belarusian government debt to leading Russian companies like Gazprom off the company books and onto the public balance sheet and prolong the redemption dates.

Belarus’s biggest creditors as of 2019 include Russia (more than $8bn) and China ($3.4bn) but Belarus also has $2bn of sovereign Eurobonds outstanding with international investors that will have to be refinanced somehow.
Lukashenko is costing Russia about $2-3bn a year, which it is willing to pay.
alternative is that if the Kremlin is backed into a corner then it may simply decide to annex Belarus too as the cheaper option

https://www.intellinews.com/belarus...-without-russia-s-help-212168/?source=belarus
 
It's funny when the propaganda pushes of a growing would-be empire (EU) attempt to accuse some other country of trying to "annex" their targets before they manage to do it.

Fact check: Belarus is not a basket case going into civil war. The efforts at promoting a "color revolution" there, a coup by a vocal minority supported and financed from outside, went nowhere. The country can defend itself and it won't be "annexed" by any creditor, it can simply default without fear of invasion or starvation into submission. If it joins a larger country (a bad idea but one very trendy now it appears, and guess who made it so in Europe), it will be its own choice.

From your own quote, if Belarus didn't have Russia's support then its western creditors believe that the eurobonds would have done the job of destabilizing it and preparing it for takeover. By them. How they rage that some portions of the world remain outside the grasp of their system of financial servitude... This is exactly the same reason why China gets all the hate: how dare they act outside the cartel and provide alternatives, maneuver space for the little countries? Evil evil evil...
 
I don't have to be pro-EU in order to say Belarus is run by an old commie loon with a crappy comb-over that fools nobody.
 
So what? We get to elect different clowns whenever we want here, but the laws cannot change except to further "liberalize" (meaning: disorganize) labour, trade and production. "Because treaties". We're free to elect different faces to government so long as they don't behave as anything more than colonial governors implementing decisions taken far away in the imperial centre. The wonders of EU membership.
 
EU is a beautiful wish , in reality the cultures and worldviews are so diametrically different all over -what might be considered a short distance by our American posters- (their lands are vast) but Europe is Europe - many people locked in a deathmatch over the last piece of a resource, land, power or influence - some might consider that the lack of food and resources drove Europeans madly towards the new lands and colonization - towards inventions, exploration and conquest and exploitation ... and that it did. In my theory we are very warlike , conquest/colonization minded people.
 
EU is a beautiful wish , in reality the cultures and worldviews are so diametrically different all over -what might be considered a short distance by our American posters- (their lands are vast) but Europe is Europe - many people locked in a deathmatch over the last piece of a resource, land, power or influence - some might consider that the lack of food and resources drove Europeans madly towards the new lands and colonization - towards inventions, exploration and conquest and exploitation ... and that it did. In my theory we are very warlike , conquest/colonization minded people.


That's more of a human thing, the Europeans were just a bit better at it.
 
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It's funny when the propaganda pushes of a growing would-be empire (EU) attempt to accuse some other country of trying to "annex" their targets before they manage to do it.

Fact check: Belarus is not a basket case going into civil war. The efforts at promoting a "color revolution" there, a coup by a vocal minority supported and financed from outside, went nowhere. The country can defend itself and it won't be "annexed" by any creditor, it can simply default without fear of invasion or starvation into submission. If it joins a larger country (a bad idea but one very trendy now it appears, and guess who made it so in Europe), it will be its own choice.

From your own quote, if Belarus didn't have Russia's support then its western creditors believe that the eurobonds would have done the job of destabilizing it and preparing it for takeover. By them. How they rage that some portions of the world remain outside the grasp of their system of financial servitude... This is exactly the same reason why China gets all the hate: how dare they act outside the cartel and provide alternatives, maneuver space for the little countries? Evil evil evil...

Of course its not annexation when Russia dose it.

Russia, Belarus enter home stretch on negotiating Union economic integration, says PM
introduction of a single currency, harmonization of trade and customs policies, and a single tax system

https://tass.com/world/1296755

109% Inflation ? I guess this what a strong economy for a small country look like then. Propped up with loans from China and Russia.

election promise that was achieved by printing money.
Inflation then hit 109% and the average wage decreased by 38% from US$530 to US$330. Further declines in its currency have followed.
the country is on the cusp of another currency crisis.
To prevent this, Lukashenko needs money. It will be challenging for him to obtain funds from the IMF, as he failed to implement the agreed economic reforms that came with borrowing in 2011. Loans from Russia or China will not lead to reforms but more dependence.

https://theconversation.com/belarus...derpins-anger-at-lukashenko-government-145063
 
EU is a beautiful wish , in reality the cultures and worldviews are so diametrically different all over -what might be considered a short distance by our American posters- (their lands are vast) but Europe is Europe - many people locked in a deathmatch over the last piece of a resource, land, power or influence - some might consider that the lack of food and resources drove Europeans madly towards the new lands and colonization - towards inventions, exploration and conquest and exploitation ... and that it did. In my theory we are very warlike , conquest/colonization minded people.

Europeans? No, we're no different from anyone else. Circumstances lead to events...

It's the environment you restate it, bur keep in mind that circunstances are not some accident totally out of out control. Which is why people should seek to create circumstances that do not lead to wars. European division did lead to invention and to striking out, and a lot of wars, etc. But we can channel that to the good things.

@FriendlyFire I notice your determination to avoid doing any comparison between Belarus and Ukraine, which is what i have been challenging you to do. I won't indulge with dialogue to further your misdirection.
 
Between this and the assassination of Belarusians in Ukraine, I suppose that great father of country should be thanked for not murdering traitorous Kalesnikova.

Belarus opposition leader jailed in Lukashenko ‘purge’
Maria Kalesnikava, prominent opponent of country’s authoritarian leader, sentenced to 11 years

A Belarusian court has sentenced the senior opposition leader Maria Kalesnikava to 11 years in prison, punishing one of the most prominent opponents of the country’s authoritarian leader, Alexander Lukashenko.

Kalesnikava, a leader of the opposition’s coordination council, was one of three women last year who united to lead an uprising in which tens of thousands of Belarusians took to the streets in the largest protests in the country’s modern history.

Spoiler :
Kalesnikava was arrested last September and taken to the border, where she was told to leave the country. Instead, she reportedly ripped up her passport, risking prison rather than going into exile.

She was charged with conspiracy to seize power, calling for action to damage national security, and calling for actions damaging national security using media and the internet.

At the same court hearing, the lawyer Maxim Znak, another member of the opposition council’s leadership, was given a 10-year prison sentence on similar charges. He had gone on hunger strike while awaiting trial to protest against the charges against him.

“We demand the immediate release of Maria and Maksim, who aren’t guilty of anything,” wrote Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, an opposition leader who ran for president against Lukashenko. She is based in Lithuania and cannot return to the country without facing arrest.

Both Kalesnikava and Znak had been members of the presidential campaign of Viktar Babaryka, a former banker who had challenged Lukashenko in last year’s elections and appeared to have significant support before his arrest. He was sentenced to 14 years in prison in July on charges of bribe-taking and money laundering.

Video from Monday’s court hearing in Minsk showed Kalesnikava and Znak standing in a glass cage for defendants commonly called an “aquarium”. Kalesnikava, in handcuffs, smiled as journalists took photographs and flashed a “heart” symbol with her hands, a symbol of last year’s anti-Lukashenko protests.

“It’s good to see all of you,” Znak told journalists as guards tried to prevent them from speaking from the dock.

“Maria and Maksim are the heroes for Belarusians. The regime wants us to see them crushed and exhausted. But look – they are smiling and dancing. They know – we will release them much earlier than these 11 years. Their terms shouldn’t frighten us – Maksim and Maria wouldn’t want this,” Tsikhanouskaya wrote.

Lukashenko has gone to extreme lengths in recent months to punish opponents of his regime as his crackdown enters its second year. In May, the government forced down a Ryanair jet carrying the opposition journalist and blogger Roman Protasevich from Athens to Vilnius. Also, a Belarusian sprinter who had criticised her team’s leadership was nearly bundled on to a plane from Tokyo back to Minsk before she appealed to police and the international community for protection.

Meanwhile, hundreds of people in Belarus have been arrested, including opposition politicians, lawyers, journalists, and other members of civil society. Dozens of NGOs, including those that offer medical and hospice care, have been shut down as Lukashenko carries out what he has called a “purge” of disloyal organisations.

 
The mouthpieces of the Empire have put up an embellished story about the ukranian attempt at destabilizing Belarus months ago.

I still think this was just plan B in case the regime change attempt after the elections failed. The ukranins also say that money and advice from the Empire seeded the plot. But then other ukranians weave a fancy story linking it instead to the downed plane years ago. Will these geostrategic games never end? And why publish anything at all now, after ignoring the reports of ukranian involvement last year? Is the Empire throwing its pets in Ukraine fully under the bus, still trying a realignment against China after the defeat in central Asia?

To be followed...

Speaking of Ukraine, whose pawns, if anyone's, are these guys, to be targeted now?
 
That dern MSM, I tells ya.

Geostrategic games are boring. Debacles are interesting news. Squirrel!!1!
 
The mouthpieces of the Empire have put up an embellished story about the ukranian attempt at destabilizing Belarus months ago.

The plan seems to be working too :

Kommersant: impending confederation of Belarus and Russia? (jam-news.net)

Since Russia’s economy is 29 times larger than that of Belarus, it is “almost impossible to talk about the feasibility of the proposed program on an equal footing.” Kommersant predicts the Belarusian economy will be absorbed by Russia.

• Can Russia annex Belarus?
 
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