Bernie+AOC Rallies?

[Zardnaar]

So they seem popular enough on YouTube. Getting 14k turnout in red states and Republicans attending.

Seems more organic. AOC seemed to be one of the few who started asking questions when she found out sone people voted for her and Trump.

Reality is a lot more complex than the moronic with us or against us American stupidity online.

Main problem with progressives is there's not enough of them. AOC and Bernie have figured this out.

I'm seeing they're getting reported on in mainstream news in USA even positively. I would vote for AOC here or there. Can she win a democratic primary? No idea. Would
America vote for a women with charisma vs Hilary snd Kamala? No idea.

Your thoughts?

 

[danjuno]

You talk a big game about progressives being a loud minority, but polls show AOC and Bernie to be way more popular than "moderates" like Schumer.

 

[Zardnaar]

You talk a big game about progressives being a loud minority, but polls show AOC and Bernie to be way more popular than "moderates" like Schumer.

They're not banging on about social stuff are they? They're not purity testing a d They're putting economic stuff front and center.

They also haven't won anything yet or carried a general election.

I think they're taking the right approach.

They're going out getting in the trenches vs sapphire blue coast.

I'm sure I've said the loud mouths shoukd do exactly that. More votes in NYC big whoop.

 

[Angst]

they both would do the work great, but may respectively be too young, too old, to win a presidential election..

like, bernie is probably legitimately too old. he's still sharp, but he's ancient. he also doesn't want to run.

aoc is more than competent enough and the age in itself has no influence on this. the issue is that a lot of people will have issues voting for a woman, and a lot of people will have an issue voting for someone in their 30s, and a lot of people will have an issue voting for a woman that further looks younger than she is, at that age.

i think it's one election too soon for her to run next time.

that said, most democrats don't raise any real enthusiasm. i guess walz does? but probably a stain on his resume for being part of a lost ticket. i like him quite a bit. but yea, most don't inspire and make firebrand speeches for huge crowds. they fall into the trap of looking like corporate pandering, which is not the moderate position anymore.

because everyone else is so bafflingly uncharismatic, i could actually see aoc as being the best bid for a ticket. idk though. funding will be nil. they kneecapped bernie so no way they're gonna let her through without pulling all of the funding.

They're not banging on about social stuff are they? They're nit purity testing a d They're putting economic stuff front and center.

you have a really, really, really weird concept of progressives if you think the two don't fit.

regardless, they probably emphasize "social stuff"/"purity testing", whatever, more than the democrats you've criticized for doing so.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

There is absolutely now a world where the hatred for Trump and the GOP grows so big that ideology does not matter in the least, fighting does, and AOC could win a national primary. If you casually observe social media these days, a WILD amount of soccer moms/suburban dems/etc etc are out for blood and fighting with people like Schumer in ways I have never seen before. The base is incensed in a way a lot of Dems in congress are still blissfully unaware of. It’s absolutely not just online leftists anymore calling for retirements and primarying everyone and logjamming everything up. For better or worse this is a sort of miniature Tea Party moment for dems, although the sheer amount of constituencies the party has to pull together likely means they will never be that bonkers. An all white party (GOP) can be way more radical.

That world however depends on American democracy existing in 2028, which is very far from a given, and at this point might actually be a bigger barrier than a hispanic women DSA member being nationally popular. And in a vacuum someone like Beshear is still probably more “palatable” for a lot of Americans. But each day that goes by, things that were given realities about politics here disappear, for better or worse.

 

[Angst]

There is absolutely now a world where the hatred for Trump and the GOP grows so big that ideology does not matter in the least, fighting does, and AOC could win a national primary. If you casually observe social media these days, a WILD amount of soccer moms/suburban dems/etc etc are out for blood and fighting with people like Schumer in ways I have never seen before. The base is incensed in a way a lot of Dems in congress are still blissfully unaware of. It’s absolutely not just online leftists anymore calling for retirements and primarying everyone and logjamming everything up. For better or worse this is a sort of miniature Tea Party moment for dems, although the sheer amount of constituencies the party has to pull together likely means they will never be that bonkers. An all white party (GOP) can be way more radical.

That world however depends on American democracy existing in 2028, which is very far from a given, and at this point might actually be a bigger barrier than a hispanic women DSA member being nationally popular.

personally, i hope so. i just don't have a lot of faith in people.

 

[Zardnaar]

personally, i hope so. i just don't have a lot of faith in people.

Same. Trumps so incompetent he nay pull a Tories result and defeat himself.

A wins a win but it's shallow. Assuming it goes that way.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

AOC and Bernie have figured this out

They talk a good game but they bend over for the establishment.

because everyone else is so bafflingly uncharismatic, i could actually see aoc as being the best bid for a ticket. idk though. funding will be nil. they kneecapped bernie so no way they're gonna let her through without pulling all of the funding.

Sad but true.

The Circle D Corporation will just rig the primary for a pro warrantless surveillance war pig. The people who count the votes will decide the D nominee.

What's mind boggling is the DNC thinks they're too liberal. Biden pledged to veto Medicare for All if it ever reached his desk, and Pelosi blocked a bill with 156 cosponsors. They spend billions on the MIC. They spy on American citizens. They love droning people. They want to outsource all of our manufacturing jobs so corporations can get richer. Their "solution" to health care is the individual mandate. They want universities to discriminate against a racial minority (Asians).

But they lost to a game show host because they're too....liberal.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Your thoughts?

I don't see what's particularly exceptional about her other than a bog-standard liberal-progressive who is not hideous. Perhaps that is reason enough that she gets any support in the US.
Like, does she advance any legislation she could claim marks her as a leader? (I don't bother to look at these things; someone feel free to tell me)

But the bar was set terribly low with Trump and started slipping with Obama. She's just going with that flow.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

I don't see what's particularly exceptional about her other than a bog-standard liberal-progressive who is not hideous. Perhaps that is reason enough that she gets any support in the US.
Like, does she advance any legislation she could claim marks her as a leader? (I don't bother to look at these things; someone feel free to tell me)

But the bar was set terribly low with Trump and started slipping with Obama. She's just going with that flow.

The Fraud Squad could have held the Speakership hostage and forced a vote on Medicare for All (like the Republicans did in 2023 with other issues). They didn't. But they did coordinate their votes to make sure police funding went through without their support, by having three abstain so the majority threshold was lower and the other three could vote no.

AOC did sponsor a bill to stop members of Congress from trading individual stocks. Obviously that won't go anywhere. The crooks like Pelousy and Eyepatch McCain will never give up their scam.

 

[danjuno]

forced a vote

Their a plenty of things AOC has done I disagree with, but what was this "force the vote" crap meant to accomplish? We already know Establishment Dems with would've joined Rs in voting it down. Anything with Jimmy Dore's stench on it is automatically suspicious.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Their a plenty of things AOC has done I disagree with, but what was this "force the vote" crap meant to accomplish? We already know Establishment Dems with would've joined Rs in voting it down. Anything with Jimmy Dore's stench on it is automatically suspicious.

Get the cowards who oppose universal healthcare to go on the record instead of letting Pelousy block it unilaterally.

 

[Zardnaar]

Their a plenty of things AOC has done I disagree with, but what was this "force the vote" crap meant to accomplish? We already know Establishment Dems with would've joined Rs in voting it down. Anything with Jimmy Dore's stench on it is automatically suspicious.

Gives her anti establishment cred.

She's also pushing economic populism hard and looked into voters who supported Trump and her. She's figured out purity testing is counter productive.

She probably fails some purity test but that's been working out well hasn't it?

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Gives her anti establishment cred.

She's also pushing economic populism hard and looked into voters who supported Trump and her. She's figured out purity testing is counter productive.

She probably fails some purity test but that's been working out well hasn't it?

She could be viable. She listens - unlike Hillary who ignored warnings that she was in trouble in the Rust Belt, or the DNC over the last four years when they ignored multiple warnings about being in trouble with Hispanics, Black men, and voters under 30.

 

[caketastydelish]

There is absolutely now a world where the hatred for Trump and the GOP grows so big that ideology does not matter in the least, fighting does, and AOC could win a national primary. If you casually observe social media these days, a WILD amount of soccer moms/suburban dems/etc etc are out for blood and fighting with people like Schumer in ways I have never seen before. The base is incensed in a way a lot of Dems in congress are still blissfully unaware of. It’s absolutely not just online leftists anymore calling for retirements and primarying everyone and logjamming everything up. For better or worse this is a sort of miniature Tea Party moment for dems, although the sheer amount of constituencies the party has to pull together likely means they will never be that bonkers. An all white party (GOP) can be way more radical.

That world however depends on American democracy existing in 2028, which is very far from a given, and at this point might actually be a bigger barrier than a hispanic women DSA member being nationally popular. And in a vacuum someone like Beshear is still probably more “palatable” for a lot of Americans. But each day that goes by, things that were given realities about politics here disappear, for better or worse.

I agree with much of this except GOP being all white. LOTS of non whites voted for Trump in 2024, you realize this?

 

[Lexicus]

She's figured out purity testing is counter productive.

Sometimes I honestly wonder what it would take to make you people act like you have consciences and aren't sociopaths. If "gas the Jews" polled at 80% would you still be using this language of "purity tests"? It is genuinely sad to see human beings who have so effectively destroyed their own consciences.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

I agree with much of this except GOP being all white. LOTS of non whites voted for Trump in 2024, you realize this?

It’s more that their party is a white grievance party and that makes up a large majority of their voting base. Yes it’s not all white, but they can have that be their overarching vision since 70% of voters are white. The Dem base is a mix of minorities of students, different ethnicities, basically all non Christian religions and non-religions, poor urban voters and middle upper class suburban, etc etc. Just waaaay more diverse constituents to bring together.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sometimes I honestly wonder what it would take to make you people act like you have consciences and aren't sociopaths. If "gas the Jews" polled at 80% would you still be using this language of "purity tests"? It is genuinely sad to see human beings who have so effectively destroyed their own consciences.

Bit of a straw man chief.

It's when very vocal 10% of the population decided lecturing everyone else was a good idea.

Your views sub 1%.

That's not enough to win an election or seize power. Good luck.

 

[Senethro]

Bit of a straw man chief.

It's when very vocal 10% of the population decided lecturing everyone else was a good idea.

Your views sub 1%.

That's not enough to win an election or seize power. Good luck.

152 million Americans voted for Presidential candidates supporting the genocide being perpetrated by Israel. Being popular doesn't make it right and insisting that popularity or seizing power determines morality is a dangerous road to go down.

 

[Angst]

Bit of a straw man chief.

It's when very vocal 10% of the population decided lecturing everyone else was a good idea.

Your views sub 1%.

That's not enough to win an election or seize power. Good luck.

these counts are unsubstantiated and concern an undefined set, and i'm honestly confused, as the winning party pretty much spearheaded their campaign through patronization, appeal to authority and ragebait