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A Statement from the Vinlandic Foreign Office on the Galapagos Situation
Vinland believes the current source of this conflict to be the positioning of a Japanese base so close to the Panama Canal, which seems to be designed explicitly to exert pressure on Argentina, Brazil and Colombia. Peru's concerns about Brazilian aggression do have foundation, and it is entirely within their rights as a sovereign nation to rent out portions of their territory. However, we do not believe that this action is the best means to preserve peace in South America. It is the understanding of Vinland that Peru's action of bringing in an ally from across the Pacific is what has inflamed Brazil in such a manner. Thus, the problem is circular. Peru fears Brazilian aggression, so it brings in Japan, which triggers Brazilian aggression, which causes Peru to feel justified in its fear.
Brazil has a definite history of aggression interventionism, and while it can be argued whether or not this interventionist behaviour is beneficial, it is definitely something that must be considered when dealing with their government.
Vinland offers itself to mediate between Peru and its backers, and Brazil and its allies, to resolve this situation and prevent another war from arising in the new world.
Vinland believes the current source of this conflict to be the positioning of a Japanese base so close to the Panama Canal, which seems to be designed explicitly to exert pressure on Argentina, Brazil and Colombia. Peru's concerns about Brazilian aggression do have foundation, and it is entirely within their rights as a sovereign nation to rent out portions of their territory. However, we do not believe that this action is the best means to preserve peace in South America. It is the understanding of Vinland that Peru's action of bringing in an ally from across the Pacific is what has inflamed Brazil in such a manner. Thus, the problem is circular. Peru fears Brazilian aggression, so it brings in Japan, which triggers Brazilian aggression, which causes Peru to feel justified in its fear.
Brazil has a definite history of aggression interventionism, and while it can be argued whether or not this interventionist behaviour is beneficial, it is definitely something that must be considered when dealing with their government.
Vinland offers itself to mediate between Peru and its backers, and Brazil and its allies, to resolve this situation and prevent another war from arising in the new world.
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Lift Every Voice And Sing
First composed as a poem in 1900 by James Weldon Johnson to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the death of Frederick Douglass, the song was set to music by his brother John Rosamond Johnson.
Within weeks, the song was banned by the federal government; possessing a copy became a felony offense under the 1837 Sedition Act, with a prison term of 5 to 20 years. As a treasonous act, performing the song in public was in theory punishable by life in prison, assuming one wasn't first lynched by an angry mob.
Despite these draconian punishments, its message of hope and of eventual liberation resonated. Copies of the song were soon glued into hymnals, passed from plantation to plantation alongside copies of Working-Class Men and Capital.
By 1912, it was a song known to nearly every slave in America. As a marching song and expression of black unity, it was sung in the trenches outside Nueva Barcelona; in the arsenals at Harpers Ferry and Bethlehem; and in the woods and hills of the Ohio Valley. By 1917, it was considered the unofficial anthem of the proletarist republics; formal adoption by the Tennessee Proletarist Republic would come later that year.
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Lift Every Voice And Sing
Lift every voice and sing, till earth and Heaven ring
Ring with the harmonies of liberty
Let our rejoicing rise, high as the listening skies
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun
Let us march on till victory is won
Stony the road we trod, bitter the chastening rod
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died
Yet with a steady beat, have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered
Out from the gloomy past, till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast
God of our weary years, God of our silent tears
Thou Who hast brought us thus far on the way
Thou Who hast by Thy might, led us into the light
Keep us forever in the path, we pray
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee
Lest our hearts, drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee
Shadowed beneath Thy hand, may we forever stand
True to our God, true to our native land.
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First composed as a poem in 1900 by James Weldon Johnson to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the death of Frederick Douglass, the song was set to music by his brother John Rosamond Johnson.
Within weeks, the song was banned by the federal government; possessing a copy became a felony offense under the 1837 Sedition Act, with a prison term of 5 to 20 years. As a treasonous act, performing the song in public was in theory punishable by life in prison, assuming one wasn't first lynched by an angry mob.
Despite these draconian punishments, its message of hope and of eventual liberation resonated. Copies of the song were soon glued into hymnals, passed from plantation to plantation alongside copies of Working-Class Men and Capital.
By 1912, it was a song known to nearly every slave in America. As a marching song and expression of black unity, it was sung in the trenches outside Nueva Barcelona; in the arsenals at Harpers Ferry and Bethlehem; and in the woods and hills of the Ohio Valley. By 1917, it was considered the unofficial anthem of the proletarist republics; formal adoption by the Tennessee Proletarist Republic would come later that year.
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Lift Every Voice And Sing
Lift every voice and sing, till earth and Heaven ring
Ring with the harmonies of liberty
Let our rejoicing rise, high as the listening skies
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun
Let us march on till victory is won
Stony the road we trod, bitter the chastening rod
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died
Yet with a steady beat, have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered
Out from the gloomy past, till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast
God of our weary years, God of our silent tears
Thou Who hast brought us thus far on the way
Thou Who hast by Thy might, led us into the light
Keep us forever in the path, we pray
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee
Lest our hearts, drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee
Shadowed beneath Thy hand, may we forever stand
True to our God, true to our native land.
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To: Peru, Japan, Brazil
CC: Anyone else involved
From: Colombia
We are most worried about the leasing of the Galapagos Islands to the Japanese and we hope not that this is the answer of Peru to the olive branch we reached to your nation in good will. In no way we are accepting any dispute over the Colombian sovereignity of the Panama Channel, as we see the stationing of Japanese ships on these islands as a direct threat to us and our allies. But we are willing to resolve the conflict in a peaceful manner and propose a emergency meeting of all nations involved, before anything escalates. Just another war will be no help in ensuring the prosperity of any of the combatants.
CC: Anyone else involved
From: Colombia
We are most worried about the leasing of the Galapagos Islands to the Japanese and we hope not that this is the answer of Peru to the olive branch we reached to your nation in good will. In no way we are accepting any dispute over the Colombian sovereignity of the Panama Channel, as we see the stationing of Japanese ships on these islands as a direct threat to us and our allies. But we are willing to resolve the conflict in a peaceful manner and propose a emergency meeting of all nations involved, before anything escalates. Just another war will be no help in ensuring the prosperity of any of the combatants.
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To: Colombia
From: Peru
Well, we certainly prefer this rather than Argentina planning of escalating to a land war against Peru and Chile. God Bless that peaceful democracy of Latin America.
From: Peru
Well, we certainly prefer this rather than Argentina planning of escalating to a land war against Peru and Chile. God Bless that peaceful democracy of Latin America.
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Blue Bacon 3
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To: Japan
From: Peru
Though various land wars, blockades, quadruple partitionings, war crimes (biological warfare, the strategic bombardment of agricultural resources), etc, are being threatened privately by the twin beacons of freedom for violating their ownership of the South Pacific we will stand by you if we are called upon to honor the pact. If you are willing to avoid this conflict we will happily offer you fully modernized warships that we believe you may desire more of, including 1 King Juan, 1 Luther and 1 Akizuku (total value 110 EPs) in compensation for the rental fee of 100 EPs.
Please note Brazil's and Argentina's intention to murder millions if their arbitrary deadline is not met.
Peru is a nation of honor, we wish to avoid this conflict and encourage you to take our compensation, but if called upon we will stand with you until the end.
From: Peru
Though various land wars, blockades, quadruple partitionings, war crimes (biological warfare, the strategic bombardment of agricultural resources), etc, are being threatened privately by the twin beacons of freedom for violating their ownership of the South Pacific we will stand by you if we are called upon to honor the pact. If you are willing to avoid this conflict we will happily offer you fully modernized warships that we believe you may desire more of, including 1 King Juan, 1 Luther and 1 Akizuku (total value 110 EPs) in compensation for the rental fee of 100 EPs.
Please note Brazil's and Argentina's intention to murder millions if their arbitrary deadline is not met.
Peru is a nation of honor, we wish to avoid this conflict and encourage you to take our compensation, but if called upon we will stand with you until the end.
Milarqui
Deity
I'm still hoping that the literary suggestion I made will be mentioned some time soon. It was an original idea...
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To: Colombia
From: Peru
Please keep in mind that while Peru has made numerous suggestions regarding how to solve the Ecuadorian situation it has ultimately deferred to whatever Colombia has considered to be best and only gone through with such decisions as Colombia found to be good (indeed our last set of orders were to revert to your version 2.0 or to go with any 3.X or 4.X authored by Colombia). Our plan continues to be, as you know, to disengage our portion of the security assistance forces from Ecuador over the next two years whereas Colombia remains to disengage in the third. We are also currently considering investing in their projects with interest-free loans once their security has been reestablished.
As for the issue at hand, Japan's forces are no threat to Colombia, they are only there to defend against Brazilian or Argentinan attack against Peru, and as recent events prove that is indeed necessary, but we have heard your concern and have encouraged Japan to take it into account as seen above. We hope the varied and stimulating dialogue between our governments will continue unabated.
To: Ecuador
From: Peru
We will not ask your newly reformed nation to involve itself of course, rather we will waive the reperations fee of 5 EP to Peru this year so that you may rearm faster, just in case Brazil tries to drag you in for some unfathomable reason.
OOC: I've sent in orders for this round that match my statements. The increasing preperatory workload of the semester starting in October, coupled with prior commitments and my job, means I won't be able to handle NESing at the level of brinksmanship and as Warchief of the Orcs (I've burnt out a bit which is why I'm leaving both as vacancies). If Milarqui will have Peru next round, then please let him have precedence.
I may be back at some point after regeneration if I can find a way to diplomaticize that allows flexibility with minimalism, but I can't make guarantees. I'll be on AIM to chat though.
Thanks for the game so far everyone, it's been a fun and invigorating experience, and game on!
From: Peru
Please keep in mind that while Peru has made numerous suggestions regarding how to solve the Ecuadorian situation it has ultimately deferred to whatever Colombia has considered to be best and only gone through with such decisions as Colombia found to be good (indeed our last set of orders were to revert to your version 2.0 or to go with any 3.X or 4.X authored by Colombia). Our plan continues to be, as you know, to disengage our portion of the security assistance forces from Ecuador over the next two years whereas Colombia remains to disengage in the third. We are also currently considering investing in their projects with interest-free loans once their security has been reestablished.
As for the issue at hand, Japan's forces are no threat to Colombia, they are only there to defend against Brazilian or Argentinan attack against Peru, and as recent events prove that is indeed necessary, but we have heard your concern and have encouraged Japan to take it into account as seen above. We hope the varied and stimulating dialogue between our governments will continue unabated.
To: Ecuador
From: Peru
We will not ask your newly reformed nation to involve itself of course, rather we will waive the reperations fee of 5 EP to Peru this year so that you may rearm faster, just in case Brazil tries to drag you in for some unfathomable reason.
OOC: I've sent in orders for this round that match my statements. The increasing preperatory workload of the semester starting in October, coupled with prior commitments and my job, means I won't be able to handle NESing at the level of brinksmanship and as Warchief of the Orcs (I've burnt out a bit which is why I'm leaving both as vacancies). If Milarqui will have Peru next round, then please let him have precedence.
I may be back at some point after regeneration if I can find a way to diplomaticize that allows flexibility with minimalism, but I can't make guarantees. I'll be on AIM to chat though.
Thanks for the game so far everyone, it's been a fun and invigorating experience, and game on!
The Confederation is entirely willing to make peace, seeing as there is absolutely no good reason why a civil war in Spain should result in a war on the Burgundian front. The Spanish Emperor's terms, as amended by Occitania, are perfectly acceptable to us, or alternatively we and our allies are quite willing to withdraw from Germany provided Germany also withdraws from our territory, recognises the Spanish Republic as the legitimate government of Spain, and accordingly supports its accession to the LCN. We have no wish either to be obliged to march through our own territory and take it by the sword or to lay waste to Munich or the German interior, and so we hope that the Germans will accept one set of terms or the other.
Also, we would like to add that we feel that, instead of a referendum, there should be enshrined in a treaty a ceasefire and then a free and fair general election that should be held in all parts of Spain, monitored by observers - perhaps Italian and Dutch - wherein no parties whatsoever are banned anywhere, leading to a proper parliament to which all parties will submit. This would serve the same purpose as a referendum in that it would allow the people to determine by way of their Parliament which government they prefer, while also being far more inclusive and reconciliatory, and will also not cause unnecessary expense, since it will be necessary for elections to be held anyway in the whole country, given that it was not possible for either the Republicans or the Monarchists to hold completely inclusive elections.
Grandkhan
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OOC:
For OOC reasons, a referendum would be better, since just an election wouldn't really determine whether I or Nintz continue playing Spain. A referendum between Republican and Monarchist factions would work better, since it would determine who annexes the other.
For OOC reasons, a referendum would be better, since just an election wouldn't really determine whether I or Nintz continue playing Spain. A referendum between Republican and Monarchist factions would work better, since it would determine who annexes the other.
OOC: You can work that out on the basis of who wins the election, the leftists or the rightists. Anyway, a referendum makes so much less sense from an IC perspective that it would be rather perverse to do it purely for OOC reasons. Besides, OOC considerations shouldn't come into IC policy anyway.
Jehoshua
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To: The World
From: The Holy See
The Holy See deems it prudent to advise that in regards to the Spanish situation, it sees best a compromise settlement where the Emperor of Spain retains his position as Emperor, but under a constitutional monarchy where ordinary governance is invested in a parliament. This parliament under a constitutional monarchy could then be elected by the people in a free election kept under watch by impartial observers, with all parties elegible to participate. This will ensure a government truly representative of the Spanish people, and one that doesn't privelege one faction or another based on their respective level of support amongst foreign nations.
Such a settlement would also avoid the potential problems of having one faction annex or subjugate the other, only to then impose itself over the entirety of the Spanish population. It does this by ensuring that the fundamental grievances that began the war are addressed without demonising or otherwise sidelining any one interest group within the Spanish Empire, by say eliminating the monarchy or continuing an obviously problematic autocracy. The settlement the Holy See proposes would be representative of the plurality of the Spanish nation and reflect their will, and ensure that new grievances and problems have less room to emerge. This proposal thus has the greatest probability of ensuring a lasting and peaceful resolution to the Spanish question, and would serve to ensure the unity of the Spanish nation is maintained now and into the future.
~ Pope Paul VI.
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EDIT: As to who gets control of Spain under this proposal, well if the republican faction is favoured in the first constitutional monarchy election whoever runs them would presumably gain Spain, if the conservative/monarchists win the election, GrandKhan retains control of Spain. Simple.
From: The Holy See
The Holy See deems it prudent to advise that in regards to the Spanish situation, it sees best a compromise settlement where the Emperor of Spain retains his position as Emperor, but under a constitutional monarchy where ordinary governance is invested in a parliament. This parliament under a constitutional monarchy could then be elected by the people in a free election kept under watch by impartial observers, with all parties elegible to participate. This will ensure a government truly representative of the Spanish people, and one that doesn't privelege one faction or another based on their respective level of support amongst foreign nations.
Such a settlement would also avoid the potential problems of having one faction annex or subjugate the other, only to then impose itself over the entirety of the Spanish population. It does this by ensuring that the fundamental grievances that began the war are addressed without demonising or otherwise sidelining any one interest group within the Spanish Empire, by say eliminating the monarchy or continuing an obviously problematic autocracy. The settlement the Holy See proposes would be representative of the plurality of the Spanish nation and reflect their will, and ensure that new grievances and problems have less room to emerge. This proposal thus has the greatest probability of ensuring a lasting and peaceful resolution to the Spanish question, and would serve to ensure the unity of the Spanish nation is maintained now and into the future.
~ Pope Paul VI.
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EDIT: As to who gets control of Spain under this proposal, well if the republican faction is favoured in the first constitutional monarchy election whoever runs them would presumably gain Spain, if the conservative/monarchists win the election, GrandKhan retains control of Spain. Simple.
About the republicans. At no point did I suggest that they want to see the monarchy completely gone (At least not all of them). There are plenty of republicans who would simply be ok with the abdication of Philip and a new, more liberal, king or queen.
Jehoshua
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The Confederations proposal is not quite the same as the Holy See's although certain principles are the same. On the matter of the Monarch however, the Holy See would like to make it clear that the precise extent of the monarchs powers, presuming the Holy See's proposal is accepted, should be determined by dialogue between the republicans and monarchists.
The Holy See however, in imparting its wisdom would consider a Monarch with the power to veto substantive legislation, and who has substantial say in foreign policy as not an unreasonable proposition. Such powers would ensure oversight of the parliamentary process, which may pose a risk of imposing majority opinion on the minority at the expense of liberty if unconstrained, and also ensure long-term foreign policy consistency from the Spanish state, where otherwise foreign policy would perhaps wildly occilate between different governments.
However as we said, the extent of the monarchs powers under our proposal should be determined by dialogue between the spanish factions.
The Holy See however, in imparting its wisdom would consider a Monarch with the power to veto substantive legislation, and who has substantial say in foreign policy as not an unreasonable proposition. Such powers would ensure oversight of the parliamentary process, which may pose a risk of imposing majority opinion on the minority at the expense of liberty if unconstrained, and also ensure long-term foreign policy consistency from the Spanish state, where otherwise foreign policy would perhaps wildly occilate between different governments.
However as we said, the extent of the monarchs powers under our proposal should be determined by dialogue between the spanish factions.
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