CBob03 Germans in Tu-tus

I think our rushing will already have caused alot of those towns to have already expanded twice. The 3rd expansion is the big leap, from 100 to 1000 is alot of culture, taking many turns. I think the Internet will only have a minor impact on our borders, while having a major impact on win date.
 
Why would one citizen be worth 52 shields when short-rushing?

In a city, I used Engineers to speed progress on a Uni (costs 100 shields for us). When it was down to 59 shields needed, I switched to a Temple and poprushed (costing one citizen). When I switched back to University, expecting to need 39 or 40 shields, I was surprised to see that we only needed 8 more shields to complete the University.
 
The citizen is converted into 20 shields, and then the Civil Engineer multiplier kicks in, I think.

The 20 shields became 60 shields. Pop rushing does not show any 'excess' shields, so when you rushed the Temple, you did not know you had extra shields.

This is discussed in great detail in this thread, here, far better than I could expalin.

I don't know if firing the hardhats before the poprushing changes anything.
 
No, I'd say that there are unexpected benefits from poprushing with Civil Engineers that could be exploited. I don't think you did.
 
x Iznik - eval in 1
x Nara - review in 2
x Thessalonica - rush in 2
x Apisala - rush in 1
Robert Odeman - short-rush in 1
x Vitcos - short-rush in 2
x Marad - rush in 2
Johann Forkel: short-rush in 1
x Lahore - short-rush in 1

WORKERS:
Carl Tieke
x Susa

IT:

@x Mecca: Bank->SE
RW: Hoover Dam->Bank
HFH: Settler-Duct
Johann Hummel: Temple->Uni
Anton Cajetan Adlgasser: Lib->Uni
x Erech: Colosseum->Cathedral
x Calcutta: Lib->Uni
x Lahore: Lib->Uni
Johann Joseph Abert: Lib->Uni
x Vitcos: Lib->Uni
x Marad: Colosseum->Temple
x Ratae Coritanorum: Uni->Cathedral
x Rhodes: Temple->Uni
Carl Friedrich Abel: Lib->Uni
x Segusio: Uni->Cathedral
J Krebs: Worker->Duct
Christoph W Gluck: Cathedral->Harbor
JCL Abeille: Lib->Uni
Hildegard of Bingen: Cathedral->Bank
x Brighton: Harbor->Lib
Louis Spohr: Harbor->Temple
Paul Hindemith: Uni->Cathedral
Johann Albrechtsberger: Uni->Cathedral
Gunter Wand: Uni->Cathedral
Karl Piutti: Temple->Uni
Johann Forkel: Temple->Uni
Theodore Oesten: Temple->Uni

Turn 1 (1455 AD):

Trade Iron and some luxes to Mongolia. This will help them win the war vs. the Dutch.

IT:

x Bombay: Uni->Temple
x Richborough: Temple->Cathedral
x Uskadar: Temple->Cathedral
x Delphi: Uni->Cathedral
x Agedincum: Uni->Cathedral
Helmut Lachenmann: SE->Temple
x Kolhapur: Uni->Temple
x Zabalam: Temple->Cathedral
x Sinop: Cathedral->Mkt
Pachelbel: SE->Cathedral
x Ephesus: Lib->Uni
@Albert Dietrich: Bank->SE
Offenbach: Bank->Cathedral
@George Frederik Handel: Panzer->Wealth
x Glanum: Uni->Cathedral
x Rutupiae: Uni->Cathedral
Max Reger: Market->Factory
Carl Tieke: Market->Cathedral
Christian Cannabich: Colosseum->Cathedral
Engelbert Humperdinck: Colosseum->Temple
Robert Kahn: Uni->Temple
Christoph Schaffrath: Uni->Temple

Turn 2 (1460 AD):

Adolph Busch founded, making Lib.
Four other Settlers moved into place.

IT:

Georg Hajdu: Settlers
Eberlin: SE->Cathedral
We get the Wall Street message.
Helmut Lachenmann: Temple->Cathedral
x Kufah: Cathedral->Factory
JSBach: Cathedral->SE
PDQ Bach: Bank->Colosseum
Carl Georg Reutter: Cathedral->Colosseum
x Isca: Uni->Temple
GP Telemann: Factory->Colosseum
x Iskenderun: Uni->Cathedral
Friedrich Kiel: Uni->Temple
Nicolaus Bruhns: Uni->Cathedral
Carl Orff: Uni->Temple
Leopold Mozart: Uni->Cathedral
Gustav Jenner: Uni->Cathedral
Theo Jorgensmann: Uni->Temple

Turn 3 (1465 AD):

Eugen d'Albert founded. Making Lib
Giovanni Henrico Albicastro founded, making Lib.
Siegfried Alkan founded, making Lib.
Carl Almenräder founded, making Lib.
Johann C. Altnickol founded, making Lib.

IT:

Learn Flight.
Gift Russia up to the MA. They get Computers. We can't afford it.
Sell Steel to Inca for WM+195gpt+59 gold.
Sell Banking to Aztecs for 4 gold.
Sell ToG to England for 19 gold.
Sell The Corporation to Mongolia for 8 gold +45 gpt.
Sell Education to Netherlands for 15 gold.
Grr! We STILL Can't afford it.

RW: Bank->SETI Program
x Bombay: Temple->Cathedral
x Thermopylae: Uni->Cathedral
x Kolhapur: Temple->Cathedral
Felix Draeseke: SE->Colosseum
x Sinop: Mkt->Wealth
x Denizli: Cathedral->Harbor
x Bryansk: Cathedral->Colosseum
Christoph W Gluck: Harbor->Courthouse
St Regis: Lib->Uni
x Atico: Colosseum->Uni
Ernst Horn: Colosseum->Cathedral
Werner Egk: Colosseum->Uni
Russians start SETI.

Turn 4 (1470 AD):

Workers and MMing...
Also, investiate Russia's SETI city. We'll win the race easily.

IT:

Mongols demand Steel. We say no, and they declare war on us! :lol:
x Delhi: Uni->Temple
@x Mecca: SE->Wall Street
HFH: Settlers
Heinz Chur: Settlers
Moritz Eggert: SE->Cathedral
x Nara: Worker->Lib
Ernst Richter: SE->Harbor
x Eboracum: Cathedral->Colosseum
Franz Wilhelm Abt: Lib->Uni
x Kua: Uni->Temple
Pachelbel: Cathedral->Palace (prebuild for Internet
@Heinz Warner Zimmerman: Colosseum->Commercial Dock
Jacob Praetorius: Bank->Factory
@Wolfgang Rihm: Bank->Factory
Emil von Sauer: Cathedral->Colosseum
Andreas Kunstein: Bank->Factory
Robert Schumann: Colosseum->Factory

Turn 5 (1475 AD):

Sign everyone into MAs vs. the Mongols. THAT should keep 'em busy!

IT:

x Medina: Cathedral->Colosseum
Theodor Adorno: Lib->Uni
Helmut Lachenmann: Cathedral->Colosseum
@Ernst Richter: Harbor->Commercial Dock
Offenbach: Cathedral->Colosseum
@x Denizli: Harbor->Factory
PDQ Bach: Cathedral->SE
x New Madras: Lib->Uni
x Glevum: Colosseum->Temple
Joseph Haydn: Courthouse->Cathedral
Adam of Fulda: Colosseum->Temple

Turn 6 (1480 AD):

Maria de Alvear founded, making Lib.
August Bungert founded, making Lib.

IT:

Michael von Biel: Cathedral->Colosseum
Georg Hajdu: Settlers
x Augustodorum: Cathedral->Colosseum
Herbert Brun: Cathedral->Factory
Franz Ignaz von Beecke: Settlers
x Tolosa: Uni->Cathedral
x Curovernum: Uni->Cathedral
G.P. Telemann: Colosseum->SE
x Apisala: Colosseum->Temple
Gottfried Scheidt: Cathedral->Colosseum
x Akwesasne: Temple->Uni
Carl Tieke: Cathedral->Bank
Johann Theile: Market->Factory
Sethus Calvisius: Uni->Cathedral
Carl von Ditterdorf: Cathedral->Colosseum
Norbert Burgmuller: Uni->Temple
Hermann Finck: Temple->Cathedral
Dieter Bohlen: Uni->Temple
Georg Wagenseil: Uni->Temple
Edmund Nick: Uni->Cathedral
Claus Ogerman: Lib->Uni

Turn 7 (1485 AD):

Zzz...

IT:

x Madras: Uni->Temple
HFH: Settlers
Eberlin: Cathedral->Wealth
Helmut Lachenmann: Colosseum->Wealth
x Kutha: Temple->Uni
x Salonika: Uni->Temple
x Nagsu: Colosseum->Temple
x Indus: Lib->Uni
J Krebs: Settlers
Johannes Brahms: Cathedral->Colosseum
Hildegard of Bingen: Bank->SE
August Martin Klughardt: Uni->Temple
Fritz Seitz: Uni->Cathedral
Salomon Jadassohn: Temple->Uni
Johann Gottlieb: Uni->Cathedral

Turn 8 (1490 AD):

August Jaeger founded, making Lib.
von Schellendorff founded, making Lib.

IT:

Heinz Chur: Settlers
Moritz Eggert: Cathedral->Colosseum
Felix Draeseke: Colosseum->Factory
x Kisurra: Colosseum->Cathedral
@JSBach: SE->???????? Change
Offenbach: Colosseum->SE
Kurt Weill: Cathedral->Courthouse
Eckard Unruh: Cathedral->Colosseum
Quickmix: Cathedral->Colosseum
von Franckenstein: Temple->Cathedral
Dieterich Buxtehude: Uni->Temple MM!

Turn 9 (1495 AD):

Peter Cornelius founded, making Lib
Unsuk Chin founded, making Lib.

IT:

x Istanbul: Colosseum->Cathedral
x Ur: Uni->Cathedral
Hans Zender: Cathedral->Colosseum
@Ernst Richter: Commercial Dock->Wealth
x Yakutsk: Cathedral->Colosseum
Ludwig van Beethoven: Cathedral->Bank RENAME
x New Bangalore: Lib->Uni
x Zonguldak: Cathedral->Colosseum
x Kirklareli: Cathedral->Colosseum
J H Buttstett: Cathedral->Colosseum
Hans von Bulow: Lib->Uni
Maria von Paradis: Cathedral->Colosseum

Turn 10 (1500 AD):

Reinthaler founded, making Lib.


End-of-turn notes:

N.B. I started @Pachelbel building the Palace as a prebuild for The Internet.
The war with Mongolia shouldn't be a problem with all the alliances. I sent a Cav army through Russian territory to harass the Mongols - he has a ways to go before he'll get there.

Once Miniaturization comes in and we get The Internet, the win date should fall dramatically. Another few turnsets should see this game wrapping up!

For research, I suggest setting the slider around 60% after we get Mini and researching a few more techs. We'll need to get the UN, of course, and Rocketry could be handy. Other than that, we might want Genetics for the Wonders, but that's definitely purely optional.

The save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/95212/CBob03_AD_1500_End.SAV
 
Since CBob is not posting of late, I will say I got it and will take at least 5 turns over the holiday weekend. Have a nice Thanksgiving if you celebrate it!
 
Since CBob is not posting of late, I will say I got it and will take at least 5 turns over the holiday weekend. Have a nice Thanksgiving if you celebrate it!
My bad.

But have fun anyway! :D
 
Good news guys, I finished my set, and I did a full ten so I could finish the Internet. I think that brought victory into the range of 25 turns to finish. With a good bunch of rushes that could be shortened some more. I have been conservative with the whip, only whipping with a single citizen killed. If someone else wants to kill 2 or 3 citizens, a bunch more could be done. I've made great progress cutting down jungle and forest and roading, railing and irrigating everything. SETI is down to 4 turns in Pachelbel, and the UN pre-build (palace) in Moritz Eggert is down to 13 turns, Fission in 5. It's possible that Elephantium could finish this game in his next turn-set. Here is the turn-log:
Spoiler :

Pre-flight:
Get Word and CivAssist 2 up and running.
Non-Military:
Settlers 1
Workers 169
Slaves 230
Military:
Warriors 1
Archers 1
Pikemen 8
Longbows 10
Knights 9
Cavalry 71
Infantry 26
Cannons 8
Artillery 40, 16 captured
Armies 14, 3 Knights/Cavalry, 10 Cavalry
Panzers 1
Medieval Infantry 2
Guerilla 1

Pre-turn: Do so MM-ing in former Indian and Greek towns to get as many shields as possible(hard-hats) and still grow in 1.
Press enter>

IBT: Mongols drop off some target practice (1 rifleman) near Gustav Jenner.
Russian gives our army the boot, I comply.
xSparta University=>Temple.
xCorinth University=>Temple.
*Georg Hadju settler=>settler.
xBurdigala Colosseum=>Cathedral.
xMarad Temple=>Cathedral.
xKafa Cathedral=>Colosseum.
xNemausus University=>Colosseum.
@PDQ Bach Stock Exchange=>Mech Infantry.
Engelbert Humperdinck Temple=>Cathedral.
Carl Orff Temple=>Colosseum.
Max Bruch University=>Temple.
Leon Jessel Temple=>University.
Robert Kahn Temple=>Colosseum.
Johann Ablinger Library=>Temple.

1505 AD: Move army toward Mongols, but still ends in Russian territory.
Catharina Amalia founded near Stephan Wolpe=>Library.
Redline Mongol rifle with artillery, kill him with our Panzer.

IBT: Wall Street finishes in @xMecca=>Panzer.
*HFH settler=>settler.
*Heinz Chur settler=>settler.
Moritz Eggert Colosseum=>Panzer.
#von Beecke settler=>settler.
@JS Bach Panzer=>Panzer.
Albert Dietrich Stock Exchange=>Factory.
xMugla Cathedral=>Colosseum.
xKutallu University=>Colosseum.
Johann Gottfried Lowe University=>Temple.
xBingol Colosseum=>Temple.
xIsca Temple=>Colosseum.
xAnshan Colosseum=>Temple.
#J Krebs settler=>settler.
xRiza University=>Colosseum.
xKarabuk University=>Colosseum.
xGlevum Temple=>Cathedral.
Friedrich Kiel Temple=>Colosseum.
@Carl Tieke Bank=>Stock Exchange.
Karl Marx University=>Colosseum.
Nicolaus Vetter Cathedral=>Colosseum.
Adam of Fulda Temple=>Cathedral.
Hans Pfitzner Cathedral=>Colosseum.
Fritz Kreisler University=>Colosseum.
Kal Piutti University=>Colosseum.
Berthold Hummel University=>Colosseum.
Manfred Gurlitt University=>Temple.
Johann Forkel University=>Colosseum.
Robert Odeman University=>Temple.
Theodore Oesten University=>Colosseum.
Theo Jorgensman Temple=>University.

1510 AD: Elias Ammerbach founded near Frank Duval=>Library.
August (Ferdinand) Anacker founded near xYakutsk=>Library.
Johann Andre founded near xSt. Regis=>Library.
Ernst Anschutz founded near xAthens=>Library.
Moritz Eggert gets the coveted @.

IBT: Americans boot us, we’re never going to get to Mongols without ROP’s
xCorinth Temple=>Colosseum.
xLapurdum University=>Colosseum.
xEphesus University=>Temple.
Christoph von Gluck Courthouse=>Bank.
Franz Schmidt University=>Temple.
xNew Bombay Library=>Temple.
Ernst Pepping Colosseum=>Cathedral.
Hans Sitt Temple=>Cathedral.
Max van der Rose University=>Temple.
Salomon Kalischer University=>Colosseum.
Friedrich Kalkbrenner University=>Temple.
Karl Friedrich Abel University=>Temple.
Johann Agrell University=>Temple.

1515 AD: Lots of MM’ing, a few rushes here and there..

IBT: I make an RoP with America when they ask us to leave.
Miniaturization arrives, next is Rocketry.
xDelhi Temple=>Colosseum.
xAthens University=>Colosseum.
xMadras Temple=>Colosseum.
xKish Cathedral=>Colosseum.
Johann Agricola Library=>Temple.
xNara Library=>Temple.
xAntalya Colosseum=>Cathedral.
xCataractonium Colosseum=>Cathedral.
xSalonika Temple=>Colosseum.
@Offenbach Stock Exchange=>Panzer.
@PDQ Bach Mech Infantry=>Mech Infantry.
xApisala Temple=>Cathedral.
Walter Kollo Cathedral=>Bank.
Georg Wagenseil Temple=>Cathedral.
Anton Webern Cathedral=>University.
Christoph Schaffrath Temple=>Colosseum.

1520AD: Switch Wagner to the Internet, Pachelbel to SETI, The Internet will help get the victory sooner. Start Palace in @Moritz Eggert(UN Pre-build).
Do a few rushes, some MM’ing.
Walter Kollo, Herbert Brun, Robert Schuman and Kurt Weill get the @.

IBT: Mongols drop more target practice off near Gustav Jenner (2 cavalry)
@xMecca Panzer=>Panzer.
xLahore University=>Temple.
*Heinz Chur settler=>settler.
Robert Volkmann Library=>Temple.
Ludwig Abel Library=>Temple.
xAnkara Colosseum=>Courthouse.
xNagsu Temple=>Cathedral.
xThessalonica University=>Temple.
Karl Agthe Library=>Temple.
Jacob Praetorious Factory=>Stock Exchange.
Ignaz Leybach Cathedral=>Colosseum.
Theodor Blumer University=>Colosseum.
Dieter Bohlen Temple=>Colosseum.
Carl Bohm Colosseum=>Cathedral.
August Klughardt Temple=>Colosseum.
Franz Sussmayr University=>Colosseum.
August Bungert Library=>Temple.

1525 AD: Franz Joseph Antony founded near xRatae Coritaneum=>Library.
3rd Teutonic Cavalry kills 2 vRifles and a vLongbow to capture Satsuma, I gift it to the Iroquois and transport the yellow army and captured trebuchet back to Wagner. My reasoning on that is, that city may bounce between the Mongols and their enemies repeatedly, weakening everyone there. We definitely don’t need any cultural islands or any more territory..

IBT: xSparta Temple=>Colosseum.
*HFH settler=>settler.
*Georg Hadju settler=>settler.
xCalcutta University=>Temple.
xGergovia Colosseum=>Cathedral.
@xKufah Factory=>Bank.
xArgos University=>Temple.
JSBach Panzer=>Panzer.
xSusa Cathedral=>Colosseum.
Wilhelm Rust University=>Colosseum.
Kurt Weill Courthouse=>Panzer.
George Bohm Colosseum=>Temple.
Matthias Kadar University=>Colosseum.

1530 AD: Hans Erich Apostol founded near xAthens=>Library.
Hermann (Ludwig) Blankenburg founded near xChittagong=>Library.

IBT: Russia boots us.
xEntremont Colosseum=>Cathedral.
@x Edrine Marketplace=>Courthouse.
xIzmit Cathedral=>Colosseum.
xPharsalos University=>Colosseum.
xKnossos University=>Colosseum.
xJaipur University=>Temple.
xKonya Cathedral=>Bomber.
#von Beecke settler=>settler.
xKua Temple=>Colosseum.
@Offenbach Panzer=>Mech Infantry.
PDQ Bach Mech Infantry=>Mech Infantry.
@Heinz Zimmerman Commercial Dock=>Offshore Platform.
Leopold Hoffman Cathedral=>Bomber.
Johann Schop Cathedral=>Courthouse.
#J Krebs settler=>settler.
G.P> Telemann Stock Exchange=> Commercial Dock.
@Hildegard of Bingen Stock Exchange=>Panzer.
Norbert Burgmuller Temple=>Colosseum.

1535 AD: Boris Bohmann founded near xAthens=>Library.
xKonya and Leopold Hoffmann get the @.

IBT: Russia boots us.
xMecca Panzer=>Panzer.
xIzmit Cathedral=>Courthouse.
xCamulodunum Cathedral=>Colosseum.
xAugustodorum Cathedral=>Courthouse.
*Heinz Chur settler=>settler.
xAydin Colosseum=>Cathedral.
xAkshak University=>Colosseum.
Gustav Mahler Factory=>Bank.
Carl Georg Reutter Cathedral=>Courthouse.
xBolu Colosseum=>Cathedral.
Felix Mendelssohn Cathedral=>Colosseum.
@Wolfgang Rihm Factory=> Stock Exchange.
Emil von Sauer Colosseum=>Courthouse.
xCankiri University=>Colosseum.
Andreas Romberg University=>Colosseum.
Carl Tieke Stock Exchange=>Panzer.
Max Bruch Temple=>Colosseum.
Werner Egk University=>Temple.
Salomon Jadassohn University=>Cathedral.
Martin Agricola Library=>Temple.

1540 AD: Trade Electronics to Inca for World Map and 256gpt.
Trade Spices to Russia for 16 gold, 14gpt.
Trade Spices to America for World Map, 20 gold, 8gpt.
Trade Incense to England for World Map, 16 gold, 9gpt.
Otto von Botenlauben founded near xAkshak=>Library.
Martin Bottcher founded near xLahore=>Library.

IBT: Internet completes in Wagner=>Stock Exchange.
*HFH settler=>settler.
Felix Draesake Factory=>Mech Infantry.
xIca University=>Temple.
xTver University=>Cathedral.
Max Reger Factory=>Bank.
Johann Theile Factory=>Bank.
Werner Bochmann Colosseum=>Cathedral.

1545 AD: no real action, workers working, slaves slaving. Rush a very few builds, all the cheapies are running out, and rushing would take 2 or more citizens.
The good news is, the Internet subtracted 40 years from our win date, which was down to 1715 and is now 1675. The end is in sight….

IBT: xRichborough Cathedral=>Courthouse.
xNara Temple=>University.
Herbert Brun Factory=> Stock Exchange.
@JS Bach Panzer=>Panzer.
Johann Joseph Abert University=>Temple.
xViitcos University=>Temple.
Frank Duval University=>Temple.
@Offenbach Mech Infantry=>Mech Infantry.
PDQ Bach Mech Infantry=>Mech Infantry.
xBingol Temple=>Cathedral.
Jacob Praetorius Stock Exchange=>Mech Infantry.
Andreas Kunstein Factory=> Stock Exchange.
Max van der Rose Temple=>Colosseum.
Theobald Boehm University=>Temple.
George Bohm Temple=>Cathedral.
Dieterich Buxtehude Temple=>Colosseum.
Bartholomaus Aich University=>Temple.
Manfredd Gurlitt Temple=>Colosseum.
Robert Odemann Temple=>Colosseum.
Freidrich Kalkbrenner Temple=>Colosseum.
Johann Agrell Temple=>Colosseum.

1550 AD: Hans (Bronsart) von Schellendorff founded near xJaipur=>Library.

Non-Military:
Workers 169
Slaves 230
Military:
Pikemen 8
Longbows 10
Knights 9
Cavalry 71
Infantry 26
Mech Infantry 4
Cannons 8
Artillery 57, 17 captured
Armies 14, 3 Knights, 10 Cavalry, 1 Empty
Panzers 7
Medieval Infantry 2
Guerillas 1


This picture is the only screenshot I took, but it's very important:
CBob03Internet.jpg


The save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/110452/CBob03_Overseer__1550_AD.SAV

Hand-off notes: I have started a modest military build-up, mostly aimed at guarding our borders. I recommend it continue, just to guard against sneaky and stupid AI behavior. I think we should also cancel the Inca RoP, because A. we don't need it anymore, and B. It is a security risk with our many undefended cities, which AI civs see as tempting plums. I think we can start preparing for victory soon.
 
Nice going! We're approaching the victory countdown :)

I agree that we should cancel the Inca RoP. We should make sure that we have alternate rail routes to the cities that used to be connected through Incan territory before we end the deal, however.
 
I've downloaded the save but haven't had time to look at it, though I am very anxious to do so.

I should get a chance at a Preflight tomorrow (Monday) and start playing on Tuesday, unless Mrs. CommandoBob has stuff for me to do. She wants to paint the living room before we/she puts up the Christmas decorations.
 
She wants to paint the living room before we/she puts up the Christmas decorations.

lurker's comment: Ooooh, would she loan you to me? :mischief: Mr. Gma last painted the living room 17 1/2 years ago just before we were married, and I've been begging for a "redo" for at least 10 years. :p
 
lurker's comment:
Research labs cause pollution, you know. Obviously, it's worth it to finish 7 turns earlier, but you guys will have to deal with 2-3 pollution events a turn.
 
Pollution never bothered me, even in games where I'd have 10 or more per turn. Once you have hundreds of slaves, they end up parked somewhere doing nothing because you have already roaded, irrigated, mined and railed every single tile in your empire. At least that's my typical modern era game. Even a mountain tile only requires 18 native workers to clean up in a single turn. With Industrious, it's only a dozen. Where we are in this game, our workers are just about done with anything important and are basically grooming our empire.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with Overseer; pollution isn't a problem if you build enough workers - and in this game, we've definitely built enough!
 
Sorry for the delay. We haven't been painting because Mrs. CommandoBob is slightly sick (minor cold and coughing, just nasty enough to be distracting) and I've had a short term project that has taken away more hours than I expected in the evenings.

I did get one turn played and plan to play more today.
 
Preflight:
Culture: 88924 of 160000, +2899 culture per turn.
Closest rival: Aztecs, 23962 of 160000, +168 cpt.

Feudalism 0.4.6
3115 gold, -70 gpt
Fission 5 turn


Wonder Races
  • SETI Program
    • @Pachelbel (us)
    • St. Petersburg (Russia)



International Relations
We have MAs with everyone vs. Mongols. These end in five turns.
Iroquois and Aztecs are having a spat, too.

Resources
  • Luxuries
    • 03 Wines
    • 03 Furs
    • 03 Dyes
    • 01 Incense
    • 01 Spice
    • 02 Ivory
    • 02 Silk
    • 03 Gems
  • Strategic
    • 07 Horse
    • 10 Iron
    • 04 Saltpeter
    • 07 Coal
    • 06 Oil
    • 05 Rubber

Cycle through the cities, hiring hardhats in some places and geeks in others. Overall, the cities are well managed, so this goes by fairly quickly for 276 cities.

Hit Enter.

[IBT 1550 AD]
@x Mecca vPanzer -> vPanzer in 3.
Franz Wohlfahrt colossuem -> cathedral in 23.
Johann F Agricola temple -> university in 34.
*Georg Hajdu settler -> settler in 4.
x Calcutta temple -> cathedral in 13.
x Lahore temple -> cathedral in 13.
Adolf Busch library -> temple in 9.
x Thessalonica temple -> cathedral in 15.
x Indus university -> temple in 6.
Johann Gottfried Lowe temple -> cathedral in 32.
x Anshan temple -> cathedral in 23.
x Bryansk colosseum -> wealth.
Franz Schmidt temple -> cathedral in 23.
x Nasca university -> temple in 20.
Thomas Anders university -> temple in 20.
Johann Cruger university -> temple in 9.
@Carl Tieke vPanzer -> vPanzer in 3.
x Aximan catherdral -> colosseum in 18.
Ilia Trilling cathedral -> wealth.
Hans Bottermund cathedral -> colosseum in 18.
Sebastian Bodinus colosseum -> cathedral in 18.
Gregor Aichinger temple -> university in 100.
Hermann Levi university -> cathedral in 23.
Friedrich Abel temple -> cathedral in 23.
Johann Aiblinger temple -> university in 12.
Henrico Albica library -> temple in 9.
Johann C. Altnickol library -> temple in 12.

1 1555 AD

Mainly worker stuff.
Mongols have no strategic resources connected. They have three luxuries connected; Spices (2), Incense (2) and Silks (1).
We move to disconnect the Spices, but as we move there we discover that they are already disconnected.
Our armies are near Ulaanbaatar and we see an American rPike inisde Mongol territory.

Give Bryansk and Ilia Trilling their @s.

We are at -118 gpt after all we built, so we need some more cash.

Russia will give Fascism, WM, 322 gpt and 518 of 518 gold for Miniaturization. We deal.
Aztecs will give WM, 13 gpt and 76 of 76 gold for Theory of Gravity. We deal.
England will give 34 gpt and 51 of 51 gold for Nationalism. We deal.
Iroquois will give 26 gpt and 41 of 41 gold for Nationalism. We deal.

We are now at +277 gpt.

We are at war with the Mongols for a few more turns, so we can't touch their 181 gold. Everyone else is broke.

Still need to cancel the Incan ROP.
Done.
Put the ePanzer in a separate stack (I like to keep all Elites grouped together. It makes them easy to find when leader-fishing.)
Wake vPanzers and send to cities along the Incan border. Make sure every border city has three units.

As we get more units I'll bring back Elites to the core.
[IBT]
Incans tresspass near Bombay and Vitcos. One vCav is adjacent(NE) to Bombay and one vRifle is west of Vitcos. Both have three defenders.

x Dehli colosseum -> cathedral in 10 (8 hardhats).
*Heinz Friedrich Hartig settler -> settler in 3.
*Heinz Chur settler -> settler in 4.
x Argos temple -> colosseum in 10 (5 hardhats).
@Felix Draeseke vMech -> vMech in 3.
x Eboracum colosseum -> market in 8 (6 hardhats).
#Franz Ignaz von Beecke settler -> settler in 5.
@x Denizli factory -> market in 5 (3 hardhats).
#J Krebs settler -> settler in 5.

2 1560 AD

Give Eboracum an @.

Create 2 more stacks of Jungle clearing workers (14 workers; 12 clear and 2 road). Send this to around Lahore.
Form several ChopForestAndBuildRoad stacks of slaves.

Mongols cut off from Spices by the Americans.
1st and 2nd Teutonic Cavalry Armies head from Ulaanbaatar NW towards Almarkh, merrily pillaging Mongol roads as they go.

Cycled through the cities, using the whip here and there.
[IBT]
Inca Rifle heads home, another vCav tresspasses, first vCav heads to an empty city.

x Entremont cathedral -> market in 34 (1 hardhat), needs an @.
x Istanbul cathedral -> market in 8 (6 hardhats), needs an @.
Richard Wagner stock exchange -> colosseum in 2.
Michael von Biel colosseum -> market in 15 (2 hardhats), needs an @.
x Delphi cathedral -> colosseum in 10 (5 hardhats).
x Verulamium cathedral -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
x Pharsolos colosseum -> cathedral in 20 (3 hardhats).
@x Kufah bank -> stock exchange in 9 (5 hardhats).
x Jaipur temple -> cathedral in 11 (7 hardhats).
Franz Wilhelm Abt university -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).
@Offenbach vMech -> vMech in 3.
x Nemausus colosseum -> cathedral in 160.
@PDQ Bach vMech -> vMech in 3.
x Rhodes university -> cathedral in 32 (2 hardhats).
@Ludwig van Beethoven bank -> stock exchange in 16 (6 hardhats).
Bethold Goldschmidt university -> cathedral in 23 (3 hardhats).
Anton Webern colosseum -> university in 100.
Florian Leopold Gassman university -> cathedral in 15 (5 hardhats).

3 1565 AD

Almarkh has lots of attention; American, Russian, Iroquois and English forces are gathered for the kill. Our allies may disconnect the Mongols from their source of Incense for us.
The vMech we built go to Kolhapur, the apparent Incan destination.

We lost some cash flow from the Incas for something. We drop form +245 or so (I forget the exact number) down to +11.

No one has much cash. The MAs vs. Mongols end in two turns, but it looks like the war will continue.

We have 4246 in cash, so we can survive a few turns of negative gpt.

Per CA II, Cultural Victory in 1670 AD.
[IBT]
Mongols attack three times, winning twice, leaving Longbows on open ground.
Americans kill one, Russians the other. Russia attacks Almarkh, killing a Rifleman.

Iroquois want to talk. They want an ROP and an MPP. We say no to both.

Iroquois attack Almarkh with three Mounted Warriors; two retreat and one dies. They finally capture the city with Cavalry.

x Athens colosseum -> cathedral in 11 (7 hardhats).
@x Mecca vPanzer -> vPanzer in 3.
x Sparta colosseum -> cathedral in 11 (7 hardhats).
x Bursa cathedral -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
Theodor Adorno university -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).
x Uskudar cathedral -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
Anton Cajetan Adlgasser university -> temple in 7 (4 hardhats).
*Georg Hajdu settler -> settler in 5.
x Erech cathedral -> market in 12 (4 hardhats), and they earn their @.

One pollution near Pachelbel.

@JS Bach vPanzer -> vPanzer in 4.
Ludwig Abel temple -> university in 15 (3 hardhats).
Gustav Mahler bank -> colosseum in 4.

Wonderful News
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@Pachelbel SETI -> vMech in 3.
@Albert Dietrich factory -> vMech in 3.
Jacob Praetorius cathedral -> colosseum in 3.
x Sergusio cathedral -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
x New Bombay temple -> university in 100.
x St. Regis university -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).
x Zonguldak colosseum -> wealth, and they earn their @.
x Centrlia university -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).
x Atica university -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).
Max Reger bank -> cathedral in 5.
@Carl Tieke vPanzer -> vPanzer in 3.
Johann Theile bank -> cathedral in 5 (4 hardhats).
Christian Cannabich cathedral -> wealth, and they earn their @.
Maria de Alvear library -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).

4 1570 AD

Clean up pollution.
Drop science to 10%, Fission in 1, +781 gpt.
Cycle through the cities, fine tuning builds that complete this turn, trading hardhats into tax collectors.
+845 gpt.
[IBT]
Fission -> Nuclear Power in 46 at 10% and geeks.

Richard Wagner colosseum -> vMech in 2, and they earn their @.
x Alesia cathedral -> wealth, and they earn their @.
x Lugdunum cathedral -> market in 8 (6 hardhats), and they earn their @.
x Bombay cathedral -> colosseum in 8 (7 hardhats).
x Kish colosseum -> market in 8 (6 hardhats), and they earn their @.
* Heinz Friedrich Hartig settler -> settler in 4.
x Corinth colosseum -> cathedral in 13 (6 hardhats).
Eugen d'Albert library -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).
* Heinz Chur settler -> settler in 5.
Robert Volkmann temple -> university in 15 (3 hardhats).
@ Helmut Lachenmann vMech -> vMech in 2.
x Kolhapur cathedral -> colosseum in 10 (6 hardhats).
@ Herbert Brun stock exchange -> vMech in 3.
x Zabalam cathedral -> colosseum in 14 (4 hardhats).
@ Felix Draeseke vMech -> vMech in 3.
Reinthaler library -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).
Frank Duval temple -> colosseum in 10 (6 hardhats).
x Chittagong university -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
x Ephesus temple -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
@ George Fredrik Handel vMech -> vMech in 3.
x Indus temple -> colosseum in 14 (4 hardhats).
Stephn Wolpe university -> university in 9 (3 hardhats).
@ GP Telemann commerical dock -> vMech in 6.
Johannes Brahms colosseum -> wealth, and they earn their @.
@ Wolfgang Rihm stock exchange -> vMech in 5.
x New Bangalore university -> colosseum in 10 (6 hardhats).
@ Hildegard of Bingen vPanzer -> vPanzer in 8.
Gottfried Scheidt colosseum -> wealth, and they earn their @.
x Iskenderun cathedral -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
Eduard Tauwitz temple -> colosseum in 40 (1 hardhat).
@ Robert Schumann factory -> market in 4.
Quickmix colosseum -> wealth, and they earn their @.
Theobald Boehm temple -> colosseum in 10 (6 hardhats).
Hans Pftizner colosseum -> wealth, and they earn their @.
Edmund Nick cathedral -> colosseum in 14 (4 hardhats).
Diederick Krug university -> temple in 12 (2 hardhats).
August von Othegraven university -> temple in 10 (2 hardhats).
Leon Jessel university -> colosseum in 14 (4 hardhats).
Gottfried Homilius university -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).
Siegfried Alkan library -> temple in 20 (1 hardhat).

5 1575 AD

Somewhere we had Palace prebuild for something, probably the UN.
@ Moritz Eggert palace -> UN in 8.

And Max Planck, an SGL shows up in Richard Wagner. That's the second one of the game.
I'll leave him active (not fortified).

Make 2 more groups of Jungle clearing workers. I have workers railings, slaves irrigating; some slaves railing and normal road building.

We are connected to 6 Uranium.

And the save is >>HERE<.
 
Max Planck
What to do with Max Planck? Rush the United Nations or the Manhattan Project?

Mongols
MAs vs the Mongols are over. Mongols will give 251 of 251 gold for peace.
We need to quietly let the MAs expire, along with the sweetners we added to get the MAs.

We have the 1st and 2nd Teutonic Cavalry Armies inside Mongolia, near Darham, heading NW towards Karakorum to disconnect the last native Mongol luxury of silk. It will take them two turns to do that. So, if we make peace, we may want to wait until the silk is disconnected, and then maybe sell our silk to the Mongols. (We could also send one army NW for the spice and send the other army eastwards, both of them pillaging as they go, to further disrupt the Mongols. Then make peace.)

Trades
We also need to sell old tech at high prices, so we can cover our own cost of our new buildings. I mean, if Jerry Jones could get the City of Arlington, Texas, to pay for half of his costs on a new stadium, shouldn't we try to do the same here? I see no reason to spend our money on our projects if we can get someone else to pay for them. :evil:

Intruder Alert
On our east coast, near Russia, the Incas have 2 vCavs heading south, not together, and the Iroquois have one vCav doing the same. Don't know why, but our cities are not threatened.

City Growth
In some cities I have tried to let them grow as quickly as possible, to either get to size 6 or 12, when they stop growing. Then I was planning to hire CEs to pump out the shields.

@s
I forgot to add the @s from 1570, sorry.

Gameplay
Once I got this turn done I realized I could have coasted on this set of turns and not cycled through the cities each turn. Oh, well. :D

Factoids
We are allowed 1085 units, we have 390. Unit support is not an issue.

1575 AD: 5102 gold, +790 gpt, 10% science, 0% luxury, 90% tax.
Nuclear Power in 46 turns.

Total culture: 104099; culture per turn: 3155.

Cultural Victory per CA2: 1665 AD
 
Since we have a prebuild for the UN, I think we should definitely rush something else with the leader. What's the highest culture-bearing wonder in the MA?
 
All that's left is Longevity and Cure for Cancer, both requiring Genetics to be researched. I'd say turn the pre-build to Manhattan Project and rush the UN in Wagner. Research at this point would just get in the way. BTW, how many turns are left before we win?
 
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