CBob03 Germans in Tu-tus

[TheOverseer714]

Thats what surprised me with Feudalism, the stupendous amount of unit support. Democazy definitely kills that, so I say no to Democrazy. Republic is fine, but Anarchy to get there really sucks. If Feud didn't have the whip for hurrying, it'd be fine.

 

[Elephantium]

Democrazy. LOL.

I think Demo would be fine if we trim down our military some. With a (fairly) narrow land border, we wouldn't need much to keep a capable defense up while we head into the endgame.

What about Communism? We could balance the budget on a town-by-town basis!

I don't have anything against Republic per se, but I do really like the idea of using one of the "forgotten" governments if we need to revolt. In my mind, it's at least worth some discussion

 

[TheOverseer714]

Communism and Fascism have the same problem as Feudalism, the whip for hurrying. I see no real advantage to Democracy, the unit costs are the killer. I think we will end up going Republic, or staying Feudal. Our massive territory can support all those upkeep costs with any government, so now it's down to style points.

 

[Elephantium]

Whipping isn't a problem; you just need to manage growth and short-rushing a bit more carefully than with cash rushing.

In other news, I'm done with my turnset. I was about 30 seconds away from saving the game and shutting off the game for this afternoon's session when Civ froze
3 hours of MMing down the drain

Here's my log:

Pre-turn:

I look around a bit. Things look good, so I hit enter.

IT:

Greece loses a Crusader to one of our cavs.
x Mecca: Factory->Cav
x Iznik: Temple->Colosseum
Helmut Lachenmann: Cav->Cav
Ernst Richter: Factory->Cav
Felix Draeseke: Cavs
x Burdigala: Temple->University
x Kafa: Uni->Temple
x Kutha: Lib->Uni
Heinz Warner Zimmerman: SE->Factory
Christoph W Gluck: Colosseum->Cathedral
Wolfgang Rihm: Colosseum->Cathedral
Hildegard of Bingen: Temple->Colosseum
Kurt Weill: Temple->Colosseum
Eckhard Unruh: Uni->Temple
Ernst Pepping: Temple->Uni
Christian Cannabich: Uni->Temple
Hans Bottermund: Temple->Uni
Gustav Jenner: Lib->Temple
Theodore Oesten: Lib->Temple

Turn 1 (1380 AD):

I attack the Greeks, and this happens:

Then I generate another Leader taking out some redlined troops.

Then this happens:

We lose an army making this happen:

IT:

Eberlin: Cavs
x Konya: Temple->Colosseum (eval in 2)
Herbert Brun: Cav->Colosseum (eval in 2)
Franz Ignaz von Beecke: Workers
Pachelbel: Inf->Cav
Jacob Praetorius: Cavs
Johann Schop: Temple->Colosseum (eval in 1)
Ignaz Leybach: Uni->Temple (eval in 2)
Johann Theile: Temple->Uni (eval in 1)
Carl von Ditterdorf: Uni->Temple (rush in 1)
Max Bruch: Settler->Lib (eval in 2)
Fritz Seitz: Lib->Temple (rush in 1)
Hans Otte: Lib->Temple
Bertold Hummel: Lib->Temple

Turn 2 (1385):

JCL Abeille founded.
Carl Friedrich Abel founded.
Ludwig Abel founded.

We take another city:

IT:

Inca and Greece sign peace.
x Entremont: Temple->Colosseum
x Bursa: Temple->Uni
x Camulodunum: Temple->Uni
HFH: Settler->Settler
Georg Hajdu: Settlers
x Augustodorum: Uni->Temple
Heinz Chur: Settlers
x Cataractonium: Uni->Temple (rush next turn)
x Mugla: Uni->Temple (rush in 3)
George Frederick Handel: Cavs
x Segusio: Temple->Uni (short rush w/Harbor in 2)
J Krebs: Workers
Carl Bohm: Uni->Temple (poprush in 1)
Gregor Aichinger: Lib->Temple
Maria von Paradis: Temple->Uni (short rush w/Harbor in 1)
Georg Wagenseil: Settler->Lib (rush in 1)
Gustav Merkel: Lib->Temple
Centralia culture-flips to us

Turn 3 (1390 AD):

Press the fight against the Greeks:

And since I had an army to spare,

IT:

Mongols and India sign peace.
Aztecs and Inca sign peace.
x Ur: Temple->Uni
x Mecca: Cavs
Franz Wohlfahrt: Uni->Temple
x Lugdunum: Uni->Temple
Hans Zender: Uni->Temple
x Kish: Uni->Temple
Johann Hummel: Lib->Temple
x Bad-tibira: Uni->Colosseum
x Erech: Uni->Temple
x Gergovia: Uni->Temple
x Aydin: Uni->Temple
Moritz Eggert: Cav->Factory
Helmut Lachenmann: Cavs
x Antalya: Uni->Temple
Ernts Richter: Cavs
x Yakutsk: Uni->Temple
Carl Georg Reutter: Uni->Colosseum
x Glanum: Temple->Uni
x Ica: Lib->Uni
x Bryansk: Uni->Temple
Johannes Brahms: Courthouse->Temple
Walter Kollo: Colosseum->Cathedral
x Axima: Temple->Uni
Werner Bochmann: Uni->Temple
Hans Pfitzner: Uni->Temple
Nicolaus Bruhns: Temple->Uni
Paul Hindemith: Temple->Uni
Gunter Wand: Temple->Uni
Diederich Krug: Lib->Uni
Theo Jorgensmann: Lib->Uni

Turn 4 (1395 AD):

Johann Joseph Abert founded.
Franz Wilhelm Abt founded.
Anton Cajetan Adlgasser founded.
Sci slider to 50%.

Pop-rushing Notes:
Offenbach - terraform (mine 4 mountains)
x Kish - worker attention (chops and watering for more growth)
Max van der Rose - worker attention
Dieter Bohlen - worker attention

x Uskadar - rush in 1 turn
x Konya - evaluate progress next turn
x Zabalam - rush in 1
x Eboracum - rush in 1
x Mugla - rush in 2
Ignaz Leybach - rush in 1
x Rutupiae - rush in 1
x Zonguldak - rush in 1
Gottfried Scheidt - rush in 1
x Akwesasne - rush in 3
Eduard Tauwitz - rush in 1
Robert Schumann - rush in 1
Kurt Weill - rush in 1
Eckhard Unruh - rush in 1
Sethus Calvisius - rush in 1
Nicolaus Vetter - rush in 1
J H Buttstett - rush in 1
Adam of Fulda - rush in 1
Heinrich Finck - rush in 1
Sebastian Bodinus - rush in 1
Theobald Boehm - rush in 3
Carl Orff - rush in 2
Leopold Mozart - rush in 1
Gustav Jenner - rush in 1
Hans Zender - rush in 1
x Erech - rush in 1
x Gergovia - rush in 1
x Aydin - rush in 1
x Yakutsk - rush in 1
x Bryansk - rush in 1
Johannes Brahms - rush in 1
x Izmit - rush in 1 turn

Handoff notes:

In my lost turn, I set up arty-and-cav stacks to take the last two Greek cities along the north coast for 1405AD; we could probably take both cities directly in 1400 if we send in the armies immediately (I sent most of the armies against Mycenae and some Indian towns).

There are two redlined Greek rifles who landed in the old Celtic core; I boneheadedly forgot to finish them off before hitting 'enter' for my lost turn. The next player may correct that mistake or leave it be (I let it be since I prefer not to reload in SGs).

Finally, I made some very good progress on our culture rate by carefully poprushing improvements at appropriate times. It's very time-consuming, but it really speeds up the build rate of Libs, Temples, Unis, and even Colosseums. Cathedrals still take a while, but they'll come along.

Finally...when the war winds down, I think we should build Markets, Banks, and Stock Exchanges in all of our core cities (I'm broadly defining that as Mecca in the west, anything south of the mountain range that separates our core from former Ottoman/Sumerian/Indian territory, and anything west of Michael von Biel). We should also emphasize working water tiles for our core coastal cities to boost commerce.

The save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/95212/CBob03_1395AD_Tusker.SAV

 

[TheOverseer714]

I need your list of composers, I have used up my list. I noticed you are going alphabetically, good idea. I see you had a computer glitch, man I hate those freeze-ups. Looks like an excellent and wearying turn-set!

 

[CommandoBob]

Alright! Greeks and Japan have 4 cities left and India has 9. Greeks also have 1270+ in gold, so we need to focus on them first. They have three cities clustered together on the north coast and one more insulated by Incas. We'll need to use our ROP with Inca to rail to that last Greek city.

India and Japan are barely solvent; India has 9 gold and Japan has 1. Once Greece is gone we should be able to bulldozer over India and Japan.

Now if Overseer can remove these 3 pests with 17 cities in the next five turns that would be great; if not I'll handle the clean-up.

Culture
We bringing in a little more than 1000 culture points per turn. Anticipated victory is 1846 AD.

Governments
I'm open to using a 'odd' government.

Culturally Maxed Cities
The five culture builds are library, university, temple, cathedral and colossuem. We using '#' and '*' and 'x' in city names for different purposes; what if we used '@' to indicate that all possible, non-Wonder culture generating buildings had been built?

 

[TheOverseer714]

I would guess that the evaluation process involves only losing 1 citizen to the whip? I think @ is fine to put on culturally maxed cities, those cities can become sources of income as tax farms if they are low production and if they are high production, build multiplier buildings. I will download the save and get started soon, probably tonight. In fact, consider this my "got it" post.

 

[Elephantium]

For Konya, I put in that note because I wanted to take another close look at it on my turn 5. IIRC, I ended up rushing something there that turn.

In general, I was whipping Temples after one turn of build progress in size 6 cities; otherwise, I'd use Civil Engineers to make rapid progress towards a 20-shield mark (or close to it), then try to whip using fewer citizens. In practice, it worked out swimmingly well for everything except Cathedrals.

Oh, and I've been using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_composers for composers

 

[TheOverseer714]

I have finally finished this turnset. The news is: No more Greeks, no more Indians, and no more Japanese We also have a dogpile opportunity as the Mongols and Dutch are at war. We could easily pick a side and set everyone else against them. Other stuff. Using the whip has a hidden side effect in that when the towns grows back it screws up the MM'ing of those towns. If I missed a few dozen, don't be surprised with so many to manage. Still lots of work for our workers and slaves to groom our territory. I think we need teams to chop forests as soon as the jungle is gone. Many towns could use the shields anyway, and even in productive areas the only tiles that should have forest are tundra. Here is my turn-log:

Spoiler :

Pre-flight:
Get Word and CivAssist 2 up and running.
Non-Military:
Settlers 1
Workers 162
Slaves 208
Military:
Warriors 1
Archers 1
Pikemen 8
Longbows 10
Knights 9
Cavalry 58
Infantry 25
Cannons 8
Artillery 40, 12 captured
Caravels 1
Armies 13, 3 Knights/Cavalry, 10 Cavalry
Medieval Infantry 2

Pre-turn: Look over the state of the empire. Kill the 2 Greek rifles in ex-Celtic lands, no lost units. Capture 2 Greek workers at no apparent risk. Handel, Dietrich, Richter, xMecca, are first to get the coveted @ in their names. I’m sure I’ll find some more.
Press enter>

IBT: Russia and Greece make peace.
Mass Production finishes, next is Internal Combustion.
xMedina Temple=>Colosseum,
xAlesia University=>Colosseum.
xEdrine Colosseum=>Cathedral.
Michael von Biel University=>Colosseum.
xIznik Colosseum=>Cathedral.
xRichborough University=>Colosseum.
xAlesia University=>Temple.
Eberlin Cavalry=>Cavalry.
xKufah Colosseum=>Cathedral.
Felix Draesake Cavalry=>Cavalry.
xKisurra University=>Colosseum.
xBurdigala University=>Colosseum.
#von Beeke worker=>worker.
xLapurdum Temple=>University.
xSinop Colosseum=>Cathedral.
xMarad University=>Colosseum.
xKafa Temple=>Colosseum.
Pachelbel Cavalry=>Cavalry.
xRatae Coritanorum Temple=>University.
@Albert Dietrich Cavalry=>Cavalry.
xTolosa Temple=>University.
xNagsu University=>Colosseum.
@Handel Cavalry=>Cavalry.
xDenizili Colosseum=>Cathedral.
xIndus worker=>worker.
L von Beethoven Colosseum=>Cathedral.
xBingol University=>Colosseum.
xIsca Library=>University.
xAnshan University=>Colosseum.
xApisala University=>Colosseum.
xKirklareli University=>Colosseum.
xCentralia Library=>University.
xGlevum University=>Colosseum.
xAtico Library=> University.
Haydn University=>Colosseum.
Quickmix Temple=>Colosseum.
Cannabich Temple=>Colosseum.
Ditterdorf Temple=>Colosseum.
Humperdinck University=>Colosseum.
Hans Sitt University=>Colosseum.
Albrechtsberger Temple=>University.
Gurlitt Library=> University.
Egk Library=> University.
Janitsc Library=>Temple.

1400 AD: Battle of Corinth: Artillery goes 6 of 7
1st Cavalry wins vs red-lined rRifle clean.
1st Cavalry wins vs red-lined vRifle -2hp.
1st Cavalry wins vs red-lined vRifle -4hp.
vCav wins vs vLB clean and Corinth is ours! 287 gold taken. =>Library
Theodor Adorno founded near xSparta=>Library.
Get troops in place to finish Greece next turn.

IBT: India recaptures , I missed the fact it had no defender.
Aztecs and England sign peace treaty.
xIstanbul University=>Colosseum.
Hans Zender Temple=>Colosseum.
xUskudar University=>Colosseum.
xIzmit Temple=>University.
xErech Temple=>Colosseum.
xGergovia Temple=>Colosseum.
xPharsalos Temple=>Library.
xKnossos Library=>Temple.
xAydin Temple=>Colosseum.
Helmut Lachenmann Cavalry=>Cavalry.
xZabalam Temple=>University.
xEboracum University=>Temple.
xYakutsk Temple=>Colosseum.
Gustav Mahler University=>Marketplace.
xSusa University=>Temple.
Ignaz Leybach Temple=>Colosseum.
xBryansk Temple=>Colosseum.
xRutupiae Temple=>University.
Johannes Brahms Temple=>Colosseum.
xZonguldak Temple=>Colosseum.
xMonguntiacum Library=>Temple.
Gottfried Scheidt University=>Colosseum.
xIskenderum Temple=>University.
Eduard Tauwitz University=>Temple.
Robert Schumann Cathedral=>Colosseum.
Kurt Weill Colosseum=>Cathedral.
Edward Unruh Temple=>Colosseum.
Sethus Calvisius Temple=>University.
Nicolaus Vetter Temple=>Colosseum.
JH Buttstedt Temple=>Colosseum.
Adam of Fulda University=>Colosseum.
Illa Trilling Temple=>Colosseum.
Heinrich Finck University=>Temple.
Theodor Blumer Library=>Temple.
Sebastian Bodinus University=>Temple.
Leopold Mozart Temple=>University.
Johann Forkel Library=>Temple.
Franz Sussmayr Library=>Temple.

1405 AD: Battle of Mycenae: Artillery goes 8 of 8
vCavalry wins vs red-lined cRifle -2hp, promotes.
eCavalry wins vs red-lined vRifle -4hp.
eCavalry wins vs red-lined vRifle -2hp.
eCav wins vs red-lined vLB clean and Mycenae is ours! 508 gold taken. =>Library
Battle of Atico: Artillery goes 7 of 8
eCavalry wins vs red-lined cRifle -4hp.
vCavalry wins vs red-lined vRifle -2hp.
eCavalry wins vs red-lined rSpear clean.
1st Knights wins vs red-lined vLB clean and Atico is ours! =>Library
Battle of Argos: Artillery goes 8 of 10.
1st Cavalry wins vs red-lined cRifle -2hp.
1st Cavalry wins vs red-lined vRifle -3hp.
vCavalry wins vs red-lined vRifle clean.
Rommel wins vs red-lined vRifle -1hp.
Rommel wins vs vLB -3hp.
vCavalry wins vs red-lined vLB -1hp, and Argos is ours! 572 gold taken. =>Library.
Battle of Ephesus: Artillery goes 4 of 4
eCavalry wins vs red-lined rRifle clean.
vCavalry loses vs red-lined rRifle
eCavalry wins vs red-lined rRifle -1hp.
2nd Knights wins vs red-lined vLB clean and Ephesus is ours! 955 gold taken. =>Library. Thus ends the Glorious Greeks
Battle of xDelhi: Artillery goes 4 of 4
1st Teutonic wins vs red-lined cRifle -2hp.
1st Teutonic wins vs red-lined cRifle -1hp.
3rd Teutonic wins vs red-lined rCavalry -1hp.
3rd Teutonic wins vs red-lined rLB clean and xDelhi is retaken!=>Library.
Battle of Chittagong:
1st Teutonic wins vs cRifle,-16hp!
Barbarossa wins vs rPike clean.
1st Cavalry wins vs rSpear -1hp, and Chittagong is ours!=>Library.

IBT: Japan and Mongols sign peace.
xAthens Library=>Temple.
@xMecca Cavalry=>Cavalry.
*HFH settler=>settler.
*Heinz Chur settler=>settler.
@Ernst Richter cavalry=>cavalry.
xMugla Temple=>Colosseum.
@George Handel Cavalry=>Cavalry.
xBolu University=>Temple.
xCurovernum Harbor=>Temple.
Jacob Praetorius Cavalry=>Cavalry.
Max Reger Aqueduct=>Marketplace.
Carl Orff Library=>Temple.
Richard Odeman Library=>Temple.
Salomon Jadasson Library=>Temple.

1410 AD: Battle of Calcutta: Artillery goes 3 of 4.
2nd Teutonic wins vs red-lined cRifle clean.
2nd Teutonic wins vs red-lined rSpear clean.
eCavalry wins vs red-lined vSpear clean, and Calcutta is ours! 3 slaves taken. =>Library.
Johann (Friedrich) Agricola founded near Thomas Anders=>Library.
Martin Agricola founded near Stefan Wolpe=>Library. (These 2 towns nail down 4 furs and 2 spices, and keep them away from our “friends&#8221
Battle of Bombay: Artillery goes 6 of 7.
Barbarossa wins vs red-lined rRifle -7hp.
Barbarossa wins vs red-lined vRifle -2hp.
3rd Teutonic wins vs red-lined vRifle -7hp.
3rd Teutonic wins vs 2hp vLB clean, and Bombay is ours! 3 gold, 2 cannons taken=>Library.
Make an alliance with America and Russia straight up against Japan.

IBT: Aztecs and Russia make peace.
xDelphi Library=>Temple.
Eberlin Cavalry=>Cavalry.
Helmut Lachenmann Cavalry=>Bank.
#von Beeke worker=>worker.
Pachelbel Cavalry=>Bank.
#J Krebs worker=>worker.
Emil von Sauer Temple=>Colosseum.
xNew Bangalore worker=>worker.
Hildegard of Bingen Colosseum=>Cathedral.
Andreas Kunstein Marketplace=>Bank.
Maria von Paradis University=>Colosseum.
Leon Jessel Library=>Temple.
Matthias Kadar Library=>Temple.
Simon Kalischer Library=>Temple.
Friedrich Kalkbrenner Library=>Temple.
Christoph Schaffrath Library=>Temple.

1415 AD: Battle of Madras: Artillery goes 7-9.
Horsa wins vs red-lined cRifle clean.
Horsa wins vs red-lined rRifle, -3hp.
Horsa wins vs red-lined rRifle clean.
eCav wins vs red-lined vRifle clean, generates an MGL, and Madras is ours! 15 gold taken=>Library. Army of Tubas formed.

IBT: Aztecs and Dutch make peace.
xLugdunum Temple=>Colosseum.
xThermopylae Library=>Temple.
xKish Temple=>Colosseum.
*George Hadju Settler=>Settler.
xAgedincum Temple=>University.
xAkshak Library=>Temple.
Felix Draesake Cavalry=>Stock Exchange.
xMycenae Library=>Temple.
@Albert Dietrich Cavalry=>Bank.
xNemausus Temple=>University.
@George F Handel Cavalry=>Stock Exchange.
xRhodes Library=>Temple.
xKutallu Temple=>University.
Andreas Romberg Temple=>University.
Karl Marx Library=>Temple.
Norbert Burgmuller Library=>Temple.
Carl Bohm Temple=>Colosseum.
Georg Wagenseil Library=>Temple.
Karl F Abel Library=>Temple.
Florian L Gassman Library=>Temple.

1420 AD: Battle of Kohlapur: Artillery goes 4-8.
Hengest wins vs rSpear -2hp.
eCavalry wins vs rSpear -1hp.
eCavalry wins vs red-lined vRifle -1hp.
vCavalry loses vs red-lined cRifle.
vCavalry loses vs 2hp rRifle.
Hengest wins vs red-lined rRifle -1hp, and Kohlapur is ours! 19 gold, 1 slave taken=>Library.
Battle of Jaipur:
Army of Flutes wins vs vRifle, -1hp.
Army of Flutes wins vs rRifle, -4hp.
Richtofen wins vs rRifle,-3hp and Jaipur is ours! 22 gold and 3 slaves taken=>Library.

IBT: Dutch DoW Mongols.
@xMecca Cavalry=>Bank.
Franz Wolfahrt Temple=>Colosseum.
#HFH Settler=>Settler.
@Ernst Richter Cavalry=>Bank.
xIndus worker=>worker.
xNew Bombay worker=>worker.
Louis Spohr University=>Harbor.
Fritz Kreisler Library=>Temple.

1425 AD: Battle of Lahore: Artillery goes 4-4.
vCavalry wins vs red-lined cRifle, -1hp.
vCavalry wins vs red-lined rMusket, -3hp.
vCavalry wins vs red-lined rSpear clean, and Lahore is ours! 169 gold and 3 slaves taken.=>Library. India is destroyed!
Battle of Nara:
1st Teutonic wins vs rPike clean.
1st Teutonic wins vs rPike clean.
3rd Teutonic wins vs rLB clean and Nara is ours! 22 gold taken.=>Library, Japan is destroyed!
Karl Christien Agthe founded near Robert Volkmann=>Library.
Johann (Caspar)Aiblinger founded near xIsin=>Library.


Non-Military:
Settlers 1
Workers 165
Slaves 224
Military:
Warriors 1
Archers 1
Spearmen 1
Pikemen 8
Longbows 10
Knights 9
Cavalry 69
Infantry 25
Cannons 8
Artillery 56, 16 captured
Caravels 1
Armies 14, 3 Knights, 10 Cavalry, 1 Empty
Medieval Infantry 2
Guerillas 1

Here is the save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/110452/CBob03_Overseer__1425_AD.SAV

A picture or 2:

 

[CommandoBob]

Wow. Greece, India and Japan are gone.



(Oh, yeah, the fighting was fun while it lasted. )

I take a peek at the save via MapStat.
We have 251 cities. We are still at war with the Aztecs. Russia has +200 gold, Inca around 190; we need to find a way for that gold to become ours.

German culture is at 40,608; Aztecs are the second most cultured with 18,897. We are growing +1311 cpt; the Aztecs won't catch up.

We've got four resisting cities: Madras, Calcutta, Kolhapur and New Bangalore. They will probably starve.

A quick peek via CA II shows a culture win date of 1796 AD; 229 slaves; 165 workers.

Looks like a whole lot of smooth sailing.

I might be able to do a preflight tomorrow, but we have a wedding to attend in Dallas, so that might not happen. Saturday looks like a good day for Micro-Managing the fine German empire.

 

[CommandoBob]

Preflight
Cycle through the cities, making small changes here and there.

Feudalism 0.4.6
3890 gold, -114 gpt
Motorized Transportation (Panzers) 3 turns

We are still at war with the Aztecs, though all of our Military Alliances have colllapsed. Our partners chickened-out.

We make peace with the Aztecs after demanding their World Map and all their 48 gold.


Wonder Races

• Hoover Dam
  • Richard Wagner (us)

And that's that.



International Relations

1. Aztecs (25) - peace with us
   • war vs. America (13)
   • war vs. Iroquois (10)
   • war vs. Mongols (14)
2. America (13) - peace with us
   • war vs. Aztecs (25)
3. England (12) - peace with all
4. Inca (10) - peace with all
5. Iroquois (10) - peace with us
   • war vs. Aztecs (25)
6. Mongols (14) - peace with us
   • war vs. Aztecs (25)
   • war vs. Netherlands (15)
7. Netherlands (15) - peace with us
   • war vs. Mongols (14)
8. Russia (15) - peace with all

Resources

• Luxuries
  • 06 Wines
  • 06 Furs
  • 04 Dyes
  • 04 Incense
  • 04 Spice
  • 05 Ivory
  • 06 Silk
  • 07 Gems
• Strategic
  • 09 Horse
  • 10 Iron
  • 06 Saltpeter
  • 03 Coal
  • 04 Oil
  • 05 Rubber

We have 49% of the world's land area and 64% of the world's population. We'll need to begin whipping to avoid a Domination victory. Or give cities away.
Hit Enter

[IBT 1425 AD]

Russain Cossacks go home. They were looking for Indian blood, but none is left.

x Camulodunum university -> colosseum in 14 (4 hardhats)
Eberlin vCav -> stock exchange in 8 (3 cops)
x Augustodurum temple -> colosseum in 120
*Heinz Chur settler -> settler in 5.
#Franz Iganz von Beecke worker -> worker in 4.
Wolfgang Rihm cathedral -> bank in 9 (4 hardhats).
Wolfgang Rihm reaches the coveted '@' status.
Dieterich Buxtehude library -> temple in 60.
Fritz Seitz temple -> universtiy in 34 (1 hardhat).
August von Othegraven library -> temple in 20 (1 hardhat).
Robert Kahn library -> temple in 60.

Incas are builing Universal Suffrage.

1 11430 AD

Worker stuff. Nice and boring.
When not in Jungle clearing stacks, I've tried to keep our native German workers making railroads. As much as possible I will try to keep slaves making new roads and irrigating.

Some cities to watch for whipping (so I won't forget):
x Alesia (10) colosseum needs 43 turns, hire a hardhat for one turn, whip next turn.
x Edrine (12) cathedral in 140; rush market for 4 citizens, then rush cathedral for 3 citizens.
x Lugdunum (8) colosseum in 108, hire back 4 hardhats.
x Bombay (10) accidently rush the libarry for two citizens. I wanted to get it down to an even twenty shields before I got out the whip.
x Thermopylae (9) four hard hats this turn, pop rush the temple for 2 citizens next turn.
x Madras (10) needs 32 more shields for library, hire 3 hard hat this turn (7 shields), fire one next turn (5 shields) and rush the following turn.
x Kish (7) colosseum needs 112 shields; keep 1 hardhat, grow in 2, whip then, maybe.
x Richborough (10) colosseum needs 64, rehire 2 hardhats, grows in one, whip next turn.
x Corinth (10) library in 2 with 4 hardhats; really needs rails to grow faster. Whip something later.
x Izmit (6) university needs 83, keep 1 hardhat, try to whip next turn.
x Delphi (9) temple needs 40 sheilds for temple, whip it out.
x Verulamium (7) temple needs 36 shields, two citizens sacrificed for the temple.
x Erech (7) needs 101 sheilds for colosseum, fire the hardhats to get better growth, will whip next turn.
x Pharalos (7) whip the temple next turn.
x Knossos (7) whip the temple next turn.
x Antalya (6) whip the temple next turn.
x Konya (6) whip the colosseum for 3 citizens.
x Eboracum (10) whip the temple next turn.
x Cataractonium (6) whip the temple next turn.
x Sinop (9) check in 3 turns.
von Franckenstein (6) whip university next turn.
x Athens (8) rush the temple next turn.
​

[IBT]
x Delhi library -> university in 50.
2 polluted tiles.
x Edrine cathedral -> vCav in 80.
Edrine is now @ed.
x Bombay library -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
x Delphi temple -> university in 25 (1 hardhat).
x Verulamium temple -> cathedral in 32 (2 hardhats).
Helmut Lachenmann bank -> stock exchange in 5.
x Konya colosseum -> cathedral in 160.
Herbert Brun colosseum -> cathedral in 12.
x Salonika library -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
Offenbach factory -> bank in 6.
x Lindum temple -> university in 100.
x Thessalonica library -> university in 25.
Leopold Hoffman colosseum -> cathedral in 20 (3 hardhats).
Johann Gottfried Lowe library -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
Jacob Praetorius vCav -> bank in 8.
#J Krebs worker -> worker in 5.
x Karabuk temple -> university in 100.
George Bohm university -> colosseum in 120.
Hans von Bulow temple -> library in 40.
Georg Wagenseil harbor -> temple in 12 (2 hardhats).
Aton Webern temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
Hans Otte temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
Edmund Nick temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
Philipp Jarnach library -> temple in 60.
Johann Agrell library -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).

2 1435 AD

Science drops to 20%, +381 gpt, Panzers in 1.
Pollution cleaned up.

Sell The Corporation to Russia for WM, 78 gpt and 409 of 409 gold.

Cycle through the cities, pop rushing here and there.
​

[IBT]
We learn Motorized Transportation (or for us, "It's Panzer Time!") and we begin to learn Flight.
I think we get a Scientfic Great Leader.

x Athens temple -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
x Sparta library -> temple in 8 (3 hardhats).
x Lugdunum colosseum -> cathedral in 54 (1 hardhat).
x Thermopylae temple -> university in 12 (4 hardhats).
*Heinz Friedrich Hatrig settler -> settler in 3.
x Richborough colosseum -> temple in 9 (3 hardhats).
x Corinth library -> university in 12 (4 hardhats); sell the factory for 60 gold.
x Pharsalos temple -> university in 20 (1 hardhat).
x Knossos temple -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
x Antalya temple -> colosseum in 24 (2 hardhats).
x Eboracum temple -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
JSBach factory -> cathedral in 6 (1 hardhat).
x Cataractonium temple -> colosseum in 24 (2 hardhats).
Frank Duval library -> temple in 20 (1 hardhat).
Pachelbel bank -> stock exchange in 6.
PDQ Bach factory -> bank in 4.
Franz Schmidt library -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
x Nasca library -> university in 50.
x Dabrum libray -> temple in 60.
Carl Tieke factory -> market in 5.
Karl Marx temple -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
von Franckstein university -> temple in 12 (2 hardhats).
Theodor Blumer temple -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
Sebastian Bodinus temple -> colosseum in 24 (2 hardhats).
Theobald Boehm library -> university in 15 (3 hardhats).
Hans Pfitzner temple -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
Bartholomaus Aich library -> temple in 60.
Johann Gottlieb Janitsc temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).

3 1440 AD

We have 49% of the world's land mass and 63% of the world's population.
SGL Gutenburg arrives in Richard Wagner.
Send Gutenburg to Hans Pfitzner to build Univeral Suffrage.

See that the Incas have some cash this turn. We still have 5 turns left on a deal where they pay us 209 gpt. So I don't expect much from them. To my suprise, they offer WM, 340 gpt and 370 of 370 gold for Refining.
They are furious with us, but we make the deal.

We increase science from 20% to 90%, learn Flight in 7 turns at -10 gpt.

Cycle through the cities, whipping and tweaking; hire some taxmen; go from -10 to +40 gpt.
​

[IBT]
x Alesia colosseum -> cathedral in 32 (2 hardhats).
x Madras library -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
*Georg Hajdu settler -> settler in 5.
x Kolhapur library -> university in 12 (4 hardhats).
x Argos library -> university in 13 (2 hardhats).
#Franz Ignaz von Beecke worker -> worker in 4.
x Kua library -> university in 15 (3 hardhats).
x Ankara cathedral -> colosseum in 12 (4 hardhats).
Carl Emanuel Bach library -> university in 100.
1 Pollution.
@George Frederick Handel stock exchange -> vPanzer in 3.
x Susa temple -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
Thomas Anders library -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
Johann Cruger library -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
Ernst Pepping university -> colosseum in 18 (3 hardhats).
x Axima university -> colosseum in 40 (1 hardhat).
Illia Trilling colosseum -> cathedral in 54 (1 hardhat).
Herman Finck university -> temple in 12 (2 hardhats).
Hans Bottemund university -> colosseum in 40 (1 hardhat).
Werner Bochman temple -> colosseum in 40 (1 hardhat).

Good News

Hans Pfitzner Universal Suffrage -> colosseum in 14 (4 hardhats).
Berthold Goldschmidt temple -> university in 100.
August Martin Klughardt library -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
Fritz Kreisler temple -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
Hermann Levi temple -> university in 100.
Gustav Jenner temple -> university in 15 (3 hardhats).
Matthias Kadar temple -> university in 100.
Salomon Kalischer temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
Gottfried Homilius library -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).

4 1445 AD

Forgot to clean up pollution near Richard Wagner.
Otherwise, just worker stuff.
​

[IBT]
x Bursa university -> colosseum in 24 (2 hardhats).
x Izmit university -> colosseum in 24 (2 hardhats).
x Bad-tibira colosseum -> cathedral in 54 (1 hardhat).
*Heinz Chur settler -> settler in 5.
x Isin library -> temple in 20 (1 hardhat).
Moritz Eggert factory -> stock exchange in 6.
x Akshak temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
@Ernst Richter bank -> stock exchange in 6.
x Jaipur library -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
x Mycenae temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
#Gustav Mahler market -> factory in 20.
x Chittagong library -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
x Bolu temple -> colosseum in 40 (1 hardhat).
Heinz Warner Zimmerman factory -> colosseum in 6 (5 hardhats).
x Curovernum temple -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
Stefan Wolpe library -> temple in 60.
Johann Schop colosseum -> cathedral in 27.
x Riza temple -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
x Tver' temple -> university in 20 (1 hardhat).
x Monguntiacum temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
Johannes Nucius university -> temple in 20 (1 hardhat).
Johann Theile university -> market in 12.
Hans Sitt colosseum -> temple in 20 (1 hardhat).
Heinrich Finck temple -> colosseum in 24 (2 hardhats).
Max Bruch library -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
Bertold Hummel temple -> university in 20 (2 hardhats).
Florian Leopold Gassman temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).
Franz Zavier Sussmayr temple -> university in 34 (1 hardhat).

5 1450 AD

Workers and slaves.
Still forgot about the pollution, put 2 workers on it; finish in 3 turns. Sorry.

​

And the save is >>HERE<.

 

[CommandoBob]

1450 AD Feudalism (1.9.0)
5066 gold, -29 gpt
Flight in 5 turns


We have 47872 in culture; adding 1578 in culture each turn.

CAII projects a culture win in 1770 AD, down from 1796 in 1425 AD.

Worker Things
I have only been moving workers and slaves. No military issues right now.

We have several stacks of slaves making mountain roads in our core area. I am not sure why we started this, but I did continue it. I think there are two reasons. One, to be able to snag aluminum and uranium when they appear. And two, to make pollution cleanup a little easier.

I have been using the stacks of workers and slaves to clear out un-roaded jungles. We have some roaded jungles; those are still jungles. Right now most of these stacks, nine of them, are between St. Regis and Akshak, close to Old India. Old India itself has a lot of jungle to clear, so we will need these stacks for a while. Three more are back to the west. All 12 stacks have enough units to clear a jungle tile and then road the grassland under it, all in one turn. So we average 6 tiles of jungle cleared each turn.

I also have two stacks of 7 slaves. They are designed to chop forests and then road that tile, but only out in the boonies. We haven't done a lot of chopping in the core and I don't want to start now. These stacks are for where we are pop-rushing.

There are several stacks of 4 slaves; their task is just to irrigate. There are a few stacks of 3 slaves and their task is to make roads on flatlands, generally plains and grass.

We have a lot 3 worker stacks; they just make railroads where others have already made a road.

Sadly, there a few fumble-fingered mistakes where single slaves/workers are doing a task that are best done in groups.

Whipping
Each turn I am scrolling through the cities, checking to see who can be pop-rushed or not. In a lot of cities we have civil engineers and it can be difficult to determine how many turns are left on a build when they are present. What has helped me in my decision making process was to change the hardhats to clowns. This changed how long it would take for the build to finish. And then I could decide on whipping or not.

As I did this, I started to fine-tune some of the cities. On the first turn, I would see that a city had needed 43 shields to complete their build and they started with 2 hardhats. If I changed both clowns back to hardhats, next turn the city would only need 38 shields, while 2 citizens are worth 40 shields. In cases like this, I changed one clown to a hardhat, which would only generate 3 shields next turn (1 from the city and 2 from the hardhat). The other clown I changed into a taxman, to get some extra cash. On the next turn, as I scrolled through the cities, I would see this taxman/hardhat combination and wonder why, check it, and then see that we could maximize our whipping that turn.

That sounds a bit complicated, and, well, it is. Plus, it only works if you are willing to visit each city each turn. That can take about half an hour in itself.

Settlers and Domination Limit
We have four settlers down by von Beecke that we can use if we need to. I am not sure we need to. We are getting rather close to a domination victory. We have 50% of the world's area and 63% of the world's population. Since we want to stay under the limits (66% world area/66% world population) I did not build any more cities.

So I am not sure what to do. We could abandon some of our outer cites or gift them to another civ. Not sure about that. Once we get our outer cities maxed out on culture, we may need to starve them down to size 1. I don't see a best way to handle this.

Military
We can support 1075 units; we have 363.

We are building Panzers in Handel.

Builds
Hoover Dam completes next turn in Richard Wagner.

In the core I have tried to focus on money making improvements; markets, banks and stock exchanges. Some of our core lacks the culture buildings that others have but that is okay for now. Let's get our money makers up and running to help us deal with the upkeep when we change governments. Outside of the core I focused on culture buildings.

Governments
This is how our current income status looks in Feudalism and Republic.

Feudalism vs. Republic, 1450 AD

We lose a little less in Republic; we also lose our ability to whip our citizens.

Overall
This was a much easier turnset to play than the last one. It still took a while, but I did not feel like each turn was taking forever. No warfare was a big help. Since I did visit each city each turn, that task added some time. It seemed it took about 15 minutes to go through the IBT, about 15 to 20 minutes on moving workers/slaves around, and then, of course, scrolling through all the cities. Long turns, yes, but not as burdensome as the last turnset.

 

[TheOverseer714]

As long as we don't capture any more territory, we should be fine. I wouldn't worry unless we are over 60% of the territory. We all have CA2, so it will warn us if theres any danger of winning by domination. It has to be both at the same time, and we'll have plenty of warning. Now it's just cruise control, trying to get the cultural VC as soon as possible. We will want to build the UN to prevent a diplo loss. I see smooth sailing ahead.

 

[Elephantium]

I'm up next? Got it, I'll start playing tomorrow night.

 

[Elephantium]

I've taken a look at the save. We can revolt and switch to Republic anytime; our current military can EASILY be supported by Republic's unit support, according to CA.

I'm going to get going in earnest tomorrow night or Wednesday night; I'm going to MM thoroughly to get culture buildings done in as short an amount of time as possible. I also plan to beeline for Miniaturization and build The Internet in RW; Research Labs everywhere will give us a major boost in culture.

Finally, I'd like to start some trade deals with some AI civs to augment our income. The longer we can delay Republic, the better - poprushing is really useful while we're still trying to keep research high.

 

[CommandoBob]

I also plan to beeline for Miniaturization and build The Internet in RW; Research Labs everywhere will give us a major boost in culture.

I had forgotten about Research Labs giving culture. It has been a while since I played to get to Alpha Centauri.

RW is not our most productive city but I can't remember who is. Sorry. It might be better to start a palace prebuild somewhere else, depending on how long it takes to get the needed techs learned. That is, if we are 20 turns away from being able to build The Internet, start it in a city that will take 21 or 22 turns to build it.

Yeah, let's poprush as much as we can while we can. I don't know if we want to join workers to cities to help them poprush or not; I tend to think we want to get the jungles/marshes cleared before we started to break up those stacks.

 

[TheOverseer714]

A free 2 culture improvement in all cities would be a huge shot of culture. With 250 cities, that's an added 500cpt. We could finish this game in our lifetimes! We are 2-3 techs from the Internet, depending on our freebie. There is also the possibility of gifting up the Russians to try and trade for their freebie.

 

[CommandoBob]

Yeah, 500 cpt for an investment of a few hundred or even a thousand shields! The math works for me. Let's go for it.

But...
We just need to keep our population down, or let some other nation grow some, to avoid a Domination victory.

EDIT:
We could always whip workers/settlers, right? That would let us shift population around (the whipped would be added to cities where we could whip culture buildings) and reduce our overall numbers at the same time.

 

[Elephantium]

I spent about an hour tonight MMing. It's slow going since I'm cycling through cities, calculating calculating pop-rushing options, and marking which cities I need to review on which turn. I even found a couple of cities that I poprushed on the spot!

My technique is pretty aggressive: If a city needs 20, 40, 60, 80, or 100 shields and has enough population, I'll look for ways to rush or short-rush the current improvement. Beyond that, I optimize shield production to get to one of those key values and make a note to revisit that city on whichever turn it will reach one of those values. I'm also willing to pop-rush at 19, 39, etc. shields left - I'm concerned with getting more culture-producers up and running ASAP rather than getting the full 20 shields worth of every pop-rushed citizen.

Edit: We have no danger of a Domination victory. We could have 99% of the population occupying only 65% of the land, and we wouldn't win by Domination. We only need to make sure that our culture expansions don't push us up above 66% land area.

 

[CommandoBob]

Edit: We have no danger of a Domination victory. We could have 99% of the population occupying only 65% of the land, and we wouldn't win by Domination. We only need to make sure that our culture expansions don't push us up above 66% land area.

If we get the Internet, which I think we should, a lot of our border cities, which currently have no culture, will now have culture and will expand in 5 turns after we get the Internet. That could be devastating.

Having said that, I don't think that we'll go overnight from controlling 50% of the land area to 67% in one IBT.

Never mind. run: )