Christian converts on trial in Turkey

[skadistic]

You don't have the correct perspective.

Christians LOVE sinners, but they HATE sin.

It is not homosexuals as a group, it is the act of homosexuality.What act exactly? Is it the gay love or gay sex?

And again, Christians do not want to condemn civil unions, or partnerships.

They want FAVORTISM to be shown to traditional heterosexual marriage because it is good for society in general. How exactly is it beter to discriminate against gays? And since when is the christian definition the only one?

There is a big difference.

One is an institution (gay marriage) and the other is God created people (sinners).

There is no where in the Christian New Testament that says that being gay is any more sinful than being adulterous or fornicating in a union outside marriage.I still have yet see any where in the NT that says gay is a sin explicitly.

In fact, I am certain that adultery is 10 times worse than homosexuality.

I'd say its infanitly worse because homosexuality isn't bad to begin with.

 

[Turner]

You don't have the correct perspective.

Christians LOVE sinners, but they HATE sin.

I think you need to rethink your position on 'the correct perspective' here. There are a bunch of posters who go out of their way to hate homosexuals.

Now, in theory, they're supposed to love everyone. Everyone, last time I checked, included homosexuals. However, there are a bunch of posters here who don't do this. They seem to think that they're supposed to hate the sin, and hate the sinner. It's quite sad, actually, to see Jesus' teachings perverted so.

 

[Katheryn]

I think you need to rethink your position on 'the correct perspective' here. There are a bunch of posters who go out of their way to hate homosexuals.

Now, in theory, they're supposed to love everyone. Everyone, last time I checked, included homosexuals. However, there are a bunch of posters here who don't do this. They seem to think that they're supposed to hate the sin, and hate the sinner. It's quite sad, actually, to see Jesus' teachings perverted so.

Really? Well, let's have a poll, then.

Who "hates" homosexuals? C'mon, admit it if you do.

If you don't, then tell us why there is a misunderstanding!

 

[Turner]

No poll required. Simply read through the threads here.

 

[Truronian]

You don't have the correct perspective.

Christians LOVE sinners, but they HATE sin.

A sin is defined by the sinners that partake of it. Its logically impossible to love the sinner yet hate the sin.

 

[Katheryn]

A sin is defined by the sinners that partake of it. Its logically impossible to love the sinner yet hate the sin.

That is nonsense. Any parent knows that is is not only possible but very common to LOVE your child and hate what he is doing.

Any parent who has a child in jail, who has a child in a mental ward, a child addicted to drugs, a child in an abusive relationship, a child in many situations.

Parents love their children BEYOND these circumstances.

Sin is the circumstance that the sinner is in.

 

[Turner]

So Christians=Parents and Sinners=Children?

 

[Trajan12]

I don't think I've come across anyone here that genuinly hates homosexuals.

 

[Turner]

Where were you Thursday morning?

 

[Katheryn]

So Christians=Parents and Sinners=Children?

It is simply the first example that popped into my head, is all.

There are many more. Should I continue?

How about boyfriend/girlfriend?

A guy falls into drug addiction, which the girl hates... but she loves her boyfriend!

A guy loves sports so much that she hates it because she is jealous of it... she doesn't hate sports and the boyfriend, just his obsession with it.


Or say, husband and wife. Say, the husband goes out and spends all the family's money on gambling. The wife loves the husband but hates the gambling that he does that brings their family into chaos.

It is your illogical statement that people cannot love the person and hate the sin.

 

[Turner]

You need to re-read what I said.

I didn't say that christians hate the sin, love the sinner. I said that in the case of homosexuality that doesn't apply. There's nothing but hate for homosexuality by christians on this forum. That's certainly not what Jesus preached.

 

[Katheryn]

You need to re-read what I said.

I didn't say that christians hate the sin, love the sinner. I said that in the case of homosexuality that doesn't apply. There's nothing but hate for homosexuality by christians on this forum. That's certainly not what Jesus preached.

I said that Christians hate the sin, and love the sinner.

Look, we all have gay brothers or cousins or uncles or whatever. We still love them. But as a lifestyle, we don't agree with it.

I have never seen a Christian behave like they hate anyone here.

I think you would prefer to say, "I know Christians and they are bigots." It just makes you more comfortable.

I have a cousin and a brother-in-law that is gay. I love them both and I have never once given them a scolding, never once shown them disapproval of their lifestyle. But they both know I am a Christian fundamentalist and I don't agree with their lifestyle. I don't need to. They don't ask, and I don't tell. If they did, I would. But I've known my brother in law for 20 years and he has never asked once.

Again, Christians don't care how you live, we just don't want our kids told that it is normal, because we don't think it is. We just want to be allowed to raise our kids as we choose and we want the government to favor traditional marriage. There are good reasons to do so, namely it protects the fabric of society.

Jesus certainly didn't preach it was OK to be homosexual. He taught that God made marriage for one man and one woman. He said anyone who looks upon another woman with lust in his eye has committed adulter.

He told Mary to go and sin no more after she was forgiven. Jesus did hate sin. He died to stop the spread of it, the consequences of it, the power of it. That is the bottom line of the gospel. If God didn't hate sin so much and could tolerate it in His people's lives, He would not have had to become a man to destroy it.

 

[Trajan12]

Where were you Thursday morning?

Which thread was that?

 

[GenMarshall]

we just don't want our kids told that it is normal, because we don't think it is. We just want to be allowed to raise our kids as we choose and we want the government to favor traditional marriage. There are good reasons to do so, namely it protects the fabric of society.

Somehow, I fully agree to this statement.

 

[Turner]

I said that Christians hate the sin, and love the sinner.

I realize you said that. However, I'm contesting that your statement is not true with some christians here on CFC.

I have never seen a Christian behave like they hate anyone here.

I suggest you read up on some of the recent threads where homosexuality is a topic. Quite a bit of hate in them.

I think you would prefer to say, "I know Christians and they are bigots."

Wrong. I know some christians who are bigots. I also know some that truly do care for others the way Jesus preached them to.

It just makes you more comfortable.

No. Do you know what would make me more comfortable? People (not just christians) who follow through with their beliefs and truly do love their neighbors and treat others as they would be treated.

Again, Christians don't care how you live, we just don't want our kids told that it is normal, because we don't think it is. We just want to be allowed to raise our kids as we choose and we want the government to favor traditional marriage. There are good reasons to do so, namely it protects the fabric of society.

But to "us", it is "normal". This isn't some drug accident, or some abberation. This not only occurs in humans, but lots of other animal speices. Do a google search for 'homosexuality in animals', and you'll see that there are plenty of other speices out there that practice homosexuality too. And the really interesting thing is, it's about the same percentage of animals who do it, as it is humans who do it. Seems pretty natural and normal to me.

 

[mangxema]

We just want to be allowed to raise our kids as we choose and we want the government to favor traditional marriage.

All we want is for the government to favor our way of life at the expense of others. Is that really so much to ask?

Given that homosexuality does occur sometimes in nature, I hardly think it's fair for you to ask that your own preferences be placed above someone else's.

 

[Katheryn]

I realize you said that. However, I'm contesting that your statement is not true with some christians here on CFC.


I suggest you read up on some of the recent threads where homosexuality is a topic. Quite a bit of hate in them.


Wrong. I know some christians who are bigots. I also know some that truly do care for others the way Jesus preached them to.

No. Do you know what would make me more comfortable? People (not just christians) who follow through with their beliefs and truly do love their neighbors and treat others as they would be treated.

But to "us", it is "normal". This isn't some drug accident, or some abberation. This not only occurs in humans, but lots of other animal speices. Do a google search for 'homosexuality in animals', and you'll see that there are plenty of other speices out there that practice homosexuality too. And the really interesting thing is, it's about the same percentage of animals who do it, as it is humans who do it. Seems pretty natural and normal to me.

Well that is fine. Tell your kids it is normal. Just don't tell OUR kids it is normal. We don't think it is. In fact, we would be perfectly satisfied if society said, "some people think it is normal and some people don't" - either that or just don't tell kids anything and let parents tell them what they want, let them be parents.

If they can't be fair and teach kids WITH THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, then they should shut-up.

 

[Bootstoots]

I do feel the right to impose and force my views onto others and don't care if they hurt others.

Well, at least you're honest.

 

[Katheryn]

All we want is for the government to favor our way of life at the expense of others. Is that really so much to ask?

Given that homosexuality does occur sometimes in nature, I hardly think it's fair for you to ask that your own preferences be placed above someone else's.

The gay community is only about 5-10% of the population, why do they need so much time invested in their community? It makes no sense.

And there is very compelling reason to favor traditional marriage. It is the fabric of any society. Without the traditional family unit, the whole thing goes to pot. This has been the case in every society that has declined. Apathy which is the result of too much prosperity, too much hedonism, not enough good old fashioned family units to work the land, work the economy, childbirth goes down, immigration become rampant, slaves revolt. It is the same ole' same ole'.

 

[.Shane.]

Well that is fine. Tell your kids it is normal. Just don't tell OUR kids it is normal. We don't think it is. In fact, we would be perfectly satisfied if society said, "some people think it is normal and some people don't" - either that or just don't tell kids anything and let parents tell them what they want, let them be parents.

I have news for you, not that I ever ever ever expect you to get it. But, you are NOT the spokesperson for all Christians. Now, kindly get over yourself.

WTH is w/ so many of the CFC "Christians" who somehow think that their very fallible, very human, understanding of God/Christ somehow represents all Christians everywhere and like to act as their self-appointed representatives. Its arrogant, its insulting, its rude, its uncouth, its poor form, its narcissistic, its shows a lack of cognition, and, ironically, I find it not Christ-like at all.

But guess what, I only speak for myself. I'd never be so arrogant to think otherwise.

I do feel the right to impose and force my views onto others and don't care if they hurt others.

How Christlike and un-American as well. You've hit the Daily Double! Now I'm gonna go watch some hentai and tell myself I'm straight.

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