Christian converts on trial in Turkey

[Bugfatty300]

Bugfatty calm down. Simple Words WTH... I only know of one man in Denmark who came on trail for that, and he was inciting people to blow themselves up in busses and trains, and best buddies with the people behind the terror in Madrid...

Why do I need to calm down? I wasn't specifically speaking of Denmark. There are plenty of other examples I am thinking of. Don't be so defensive.

 

[Peri]

Well Trajan if Turkey was in the EU they certainly wouldnt be allowed to have laws such as these.

 

[puglover]

It's interesting to compare responses here with the responses in this thread.

 

[Trajan12]

It's interesting to compare responses here with the responses in this thread.

Quite interesting now that you mention it.

 

[Peri]

It's interesting to compare responses here with the responses in this thread.

For the sake of clarity would you like to elaborate on these inconsistencies?

 

[Trajan12]

For the sake of clarity would you like to elaborate on these inconsistencies?

Christian teacher goes on a tirade, OMG

Christians face jail time in Turkey, ahhhh whateva.

 

[Peri]

Yeah thats what I thought was coming. Dare I say that there is a lot of strong condemnation in this thread or would you prefer to ignore it so you can claim persecution?

 

[Trajan12]

Yeah thats what I thought was coming. Dare I say that there is a lot of strong condemnation in this thread or would you prefer to ignore it so you can claim persecution?

Not my argument, I'm just breaking down my interpretation of what he said.

Yet and still, I think there is much stronger condemnation in the thread about the Christian teacher.

 

[Peri]

There is more invective in that thread I'll grant you but one incident is in Turkey and one is in America. Which incident is likely to carry more weight with predominantly American posters?

 

[puglover]

Yeah thats what I thought was coming. Dare I say that there is a lot of strong condemnation in this thread or would you prefer to ignore it so you can claim persecution?

Sure there was. I'm not trying to diminish the fact that many posters were condemning the Turkish courts. It's just rather funny that some who were willing to be apathetic toward the courts were also ready to condemn the hateful Christian teacher, even though the courts are a much greater concern.

 

[Peri]

If you take out the Christian element we have a thread which condemns an American teacher and a thread about courts in Turkey. Which thread do you think will attract more feeling?

 

[Yoda Power]

Not my argument, I'm just breaking down my interpretation of what he said.

Yet and still, I think there is much stronger condemnation in the thread about the Christian teacher.

Well there is a difference between the two threads.

In this thread a country is being the troublechild. In the other it is a single person.
In this thread I suggested that we keep talking to Turkey, to ensure that we improve the situation.
In the other I just want the teacher to be fired.

Why the difference? Why don't I propose we "fire" Turkey? Because in the case of Turkey we actually have a change to improve the situation. I doubt that we can ever make the stupid teacher change his views. Atleast we can't trust him even if he promises to stop preaching, since he already lied. So we choose to punish him. In the case of Turkey punishment is only going to make everything worse, so other methods must be used.

The real point is that we should do everything we can to make sure peoples beliefs (the two christians and the students) aren't discrimintaned by wicked people (Turkey and the schoolteacher).

 

[warpus]

even though the courts are a much greater concern.

Not for an American, though.

 

[Peri]

And just to be controversial would anti Chrisitan threads draw more sympathy from posters here if Christianity was not served so badly by the postings of certain members?

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Sure there was. I'm not trying to diminish the fact that many posters were condemning the Turkish courts. It's just rather funny that some who were willing to be apathetic toward the courts were also ready to condemn the hateful Christian teacher, even though the courts are a much greater concern.

If they were persecuted for being Christian you'd have a point, but that's not the case.
And the other thread : This idiot was preaching Creationism in school and telling students they will go to hell. This is not acceptable behaviour for a teacher.
Well maybe it is acceptable in countries like the Taliban's Afghanistan...

 

[Evie]

Reversedly, one could see the irony as the fact that so many of the people who think a christian teacher should be fired for preaching hatefully condemn the Turkish laws for stomping down on "hateful preaching"...

:-D

(And Peri is right. The fact that whenever there's a thread about christians being persecuted it's usually posted by one of the usual suspects, and they usually blow things entirely out of proportion, has a lot to do with the lack of sympathy Christians suffering - ESPECIALLY those that don't have so much to do with the individuals being christians - triggers)

 

[Underseer]

No wonder so many Christians are angry. They're probably jealous that they can't execute deconverts in this country.

 

[Trajan12]

No wonder so many Christians are angry. They're probably jealous that they can't execute deconverts in this country.

Well if this was a religion bashing thread you could have just told me.

 

[GenMarshall]

This is the stranges case of doublethink that I have seen. Whenever there is a case when a Christian suffers discrimination and persecution, the non-Christians, atheists, and secularists side with them. However whenever a Christian passes a gay marriage ban or says that a non-Christian, atheist, and secularists are going to hell, the non-Christians, atheists, and secularists are up in arms. .

 

[Peri]

Then you need to actually think about what you are posting.
These posters protest against the violations of peoples rights. That is consistent.