Christian facists on the march?

[GenMarshall]

So the actions of Klansmen who called themselves Southern Baptists across the South for over a hundred years after the War Between the States mean nothing, either?

Personaly, I see the actions of the Klansmen more on the ratical side and IMO gave Christianity a bad rep. I am still appauled at the actions of the Klansmen and would still be appauled at their actions 100 years ago.

 

[Katheryn]

LOL, "you people", careful on your judging, for all you know, I'm your local pastor.



I realize the value of certain Christian movements in many of the reforms and progresses that occurred in the US. What you seem to either be oblivious of or want to ignore is that fact that these changes were often brought about while being opposed by an equal or greater number of Christians.

Hence, the simple fact of them being "Christians" is not the determining factor, in most cases.

Also, many times the "progress" that some Christians advocate is not really progress, it can be regressive at worst, or controversial (meaning, unlike women voting, there's no true "correct" side, just opinion). For example, prohibition, ala pro-choice, anti-science school curriculum, to name a few.

Also, "Christians", have done all of the following in the US:
*tried to force blacks back to Africa
*destroyed Indian tribal society (mind you, I'm all for assimilation, but there's a right and a wrong way)
*defended and extended slavery
*participated in the slave trade
*wanted to bar blacks from full civil rights

My point is not "oh, Christians are evil" no more than it is "oh, everything Christians touch is great" or "all Christians are great".

I'm simply trying to refute the point of view you consistently express, which IMO is historically incorrect, narrow-minded, arrogant, and self-serving.

I'm quite willing to give credit where credit is due: abolition movement, women's rights, etc... But, unlike you, I'm also willing to assess blame where it is warranted: treatment of Indians, protection of slavery, etc...

Utterly ridiculous. How about even one link?

I never said that 'all Christians are great' that is absurd.

I have said many times that ALL CHRISTIANS ARE SINNERS.

That is not the point. The point is the basic philosophy that ends up giving progress to society. Yes, there are pitfalls along the way and yes, there are lots of hypocrites. But the point is: These evils are gone, aren't they? Are they continuing? No! We have given many benefits to Indians and blacks. I think we should continue Affirmative Action until all the black have a good percentage of their people firmly in the middle class.

These evils are gone. The West is here. It is heavily influenced by Christian values. And IT IS THE BEST SOCIETY THE EARTH HAS EVER PRODUCED.

 

[HannibalBarka]

And who were more free before Christians came? women in polygamous relationships? slaves? those who were sacrificed on the altar to gods demanding human blood? Temple prostitutes?

Who were more free before Christians came?
1. African who were brought to America
2. Native American, they were free before Christians came, they were dead after
3. Loads of Jews throught Christiandom
etc etc etc

For alot of nations, it was'nt a matter of being more free before Christians came but rather a matter of being alive

 

[Katheryn]

Personaly, I see the actions of the Klansmen more on the ratical side and IMO gave Christianity a bad rep. I am still appauled at the actions of the Klansmen and would still be appauled at their actions 100 years ago.

You cannot measure progress by looking at the little steps back.

You have two steps forward and one back.

You are still moving ahead. That is progress. That is good.

What do you expect? A magic wand?

Change always has a reaction. It is keeping that change going in the right direction that counts.

Look at the final product. It is one step forward each time. That we had to fight to achieve the end of slavery was to our credit not to our shame. It wasn't easy to do, many fought it, and it took 100 years. It was a hard fight but it had to be done. The Bible demanded it.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Personaly, I see the actions of the Klansmen more on the ratical side and IMO gave Christianity a bad rep. I am still appauled at the actions of the Klansmen and would still be appauled at their actions 100 years ago.

Same here, but I think it's a tad (read: very) irresponsible to pick and choose who we want to consider Christians. Agree or disagree with their actions, they considered themselves Christians.

 

[Panzeh]

The civil rights movement sprang from churches because churches were the only place where blacks could gather without drawing the ire of the white authorities.

 

[Katheryn]

Who were more free before Christians came?
1. African who were brought to America
2. Native American, they were free before Christians came, they were dead after
3. Loads of Jews throught Christiandom
etc etc etc

For alot of nations, it was'nt a matter of being more free before Christians came but rather a matter of being alive

I'd say that the African American in America now are doing much better than those in Africa right now... much better. I'd doubt any of them would be willing to go to South Africa, or Somalia or Sudan.

The Native Americans were, like the Mayans and the Aztecs, totally obsessed with war, and they would have fought on regardless of the color of their skin. It was their joy in life. You can read about it yourself, instead of just regurgitate what you learned by ultra left wing guilt ridden educators. It it is very interesting!

Jews have been persecuted by ALL, not just Christians. Today, Christians are probably the ONLY ones who do NOT dislike the Jews/Israelis.

 

[Trajan12]

The civil rights movement sprang from churches because churches were the only place where blacks could gather without drawing the ire of the white authorities.

Thus Christianity provided safe haven for them.

 

[Gilder]

Jews have been persecuted by ALL, not just Christians. Today, Christians are probably the ONLY ones who do NOT dislike the Jews/Israelis.

Buddhists have no problems with Judiasm or Israel.

 

[Katheryn]

The civil rights movement sprang from churches because churches were the only place where blacks could gather without drawing the ire of the white authorities.

Nonsense. Uh, link?

 

[Katheryn]

Buddhists have no problems with Judiasm or Israel.

They did not live in the same hemisphere, so it didn't really matter.

 

[Gilder]

They did not live in the same hemisphere, so it didn't really matter.

Buddhists exist in the West too, you know. No religions these days is confined to it's land of origin.

 

[Perfectionist]

They did not live in the same hemisphere, so it didn't really matter.

For most of history, muslims have been far more tolerant of Jews than Christians have.

 

[Katheryn]

Thus Christianity provided safe haven for them.

They actually opened the Bible and read what it said evidently and then went ballistic. (Like all the others before them!) In a good way, of course. Indignant that the world wasn't following what the good Lord told them.

 

[Katheryn]

For most of history, muslims have been far more tolerant of Jews than Christians have.

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Really? Where did you hear that fib?

 

[Gilder]

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Really? Where did you hear that fib?

A history book. If you really take into the long account of Jewish abuse not begining at the founding of modern Israel.

 

[garric]

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Really? Where did you hear that fib?

It's no fib, it's true.

 

[Trajan12]

For most of history, muslims have been far more tolerant of Jews than Christians have.

Sounds weird to me.

 

[Perfectionist]

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Really? Where did you hear that fib?

Al-Andalus was filled with Jews, as was the Ottoman Empire. In the Christian world, the Crusaders killed Jews in towns that they passed through, Jews were not allowed to own land, they were forced to convert in Spain and most kingdoms completely expelled Jews at one point or another.

 

[Gilder]

Al-Andalus was filled with Jews, as was the Ottoman Empire. In the Christian world, the Crusaders killed Jews in towns that they passed through, Jews were not allowed to own land, they were forced to convert in Spain and most kingdoms completely expelled Jews at one point or another.

Let's not forget the six million poor souls lost in the Holocaust.