Civ4 Beyond the Sword Patch v3.17 is out

[Nikis-Knight]

*Now it's my turn of ranting* ....

Why the hell they took the Unreveal tile from WB? Another step for easier scenario making with WB, I presume......

*finishs ranting*

Reread the changelog:

Worldbuilder no longer allows you to unreveal visible plots

You cannot unreveal plots that units placed can currently see.
This makes it easier to use WB, not harder.

well, that my interpretation... did you open it and see otherwise? I haven't had a chance, I'm hoping I'm right.

 

[r_rolo1]

First, I already knew of the change when I wrote that... and like I said I was ranting

Now you can only reveal all the tiles and unreveal all the tiles.... both the reveal and unreveal tile buttons are gone. There is no need to say that this makes the life of casual scenario makers far more dificult ( like I already said, I know how to edit a WB save without WB, but a lot of people don't )


P.S You can reveal tiles that your units can't see ATM ( grey fog of war ) and you can unreveal tiles that you suposedely could see ( black start ).... It was always like that.

 

[deanej]

I don't have any issues with worldbuilder. I can even declare war through worldbuilder, just like before 3.13.

 

[PieceOfMind]

Reread the changelog:

You cannot unreveal plots that units placed can currently see.
This makes it easier to use WB, not harder.

well, that my interpretation... did you open it and see otherwise? I haven't had a chance, I'm hoping I'm right.

In that case I misinterpreted what it meant. You can indeed still unreveal plots that aren't visible.

 

[Dagta]

When building a large stack of units, the small display of units no longer wraps to multiple rows like it did in BTS in the past. It's back to Vanilla civ style - arrows appearing on the right side for cycling through the units in the stack.

also, I installed BUG 2.30 and I'm still have the text variable display problem. I'll download and install the fixed .xml file someone posted earlier.

 

[PieceOfMind]

When building a large stack of units, the small display of units no longer wraps to multiple rows like it did in BTS in the past. It's back to Vanilla civ style - arrows appearing on the right side for cycling through the units in the stack.

also, I installed BUG 2.30 and I'm still have the text variable display problem. I'll download and install the fixed .xml file someone posted earlier.

Take it to the bug reports forum. This is concerning.

 

[r_rolo1]

I installed BUG 2.30 and I'm still have the text variable display problem. I'll download and install the fixed .xml file someone posted earlier.

It is not needed. Go to my games costumassets folder and search for CIV4GameText_BTS.xml file ( it is in Documents\My Games\Beyond the Sword\CustomAssets\XML\Text ) and delete it. if the game still shows the tags , install the fixed file.

 

[Minor Annoyance]

First, I already knew of the change when I wrote that... and like I said I was ranting

Now you can only reveal all the tiles and unreveal all the tiles.... both the reveal and unreveal tile buttons are gone.

Does that mean you can't unreveal/reveal individual tiles, because that5 would be terrible for me. The maps I've made I've done by taking a map from another game and drawing a grid over it. Then I'd use revealed or unrevealed tiles to create a grid in the worldbuilder. If I can't do that then I can't make anymore maps that way.

There is no need to say that this makes the life of casual scenario makers far more dificult ( like I already said, I know how to edit a WB save without WB, but a lot of people don't )

Sure it can be done, but this isn't the Matrix where everyone can stare at the code and see exactly what the Matrix would show them.
Who wants to create a horizontal line of viability by typing "TeamReveal=6", and then scrolling down a dozen pages to find the adjacent tile and typing "TeamReveal=6," again, when you could just draw that line.

 

[r_rolo1]

Does that mean you can't unreveal/reveal individual tiles, because that5 would be terrible for me. The maps I've made I've done by taking a map from another game and drawing a grid over it. Then I'd use revealed or unrevealed tiles to create a grid in the worldbuilder. If I can't do that then I can't make anymore maps that way.

That is correct

Sure it can be done, but this isn't the Matrix where everyone can stare at the code and see exactly what the Matrix would show them.
Who wants to create a horizontal line of viability by typing "TeamReveal=6", and then scrolling down a dozen pages to find the adjacent tile and typing "TeamReveal=6," again, when you could just draw that line.

Exactly what I meant..... Like I said ,I can do it, but most of people can't. and those people are going to feel really handicapped

 

[EmperorFool]

When building a large stack of units, the small display of units no longer wraps to multiple rows like it did in BTS in the past. . . . I installed BUG 2.30.

This is because BUG added Plot List Enhancements which (currently, but that will change soon) defaults to the old-style view. PLE has four views, and you can switch between them using the icons above the action icons at the bottom of the screen.

To fix this, when you start your game, click on the second icon from the left (looks like a 3x3 grid of dots). I'm working on adding a setting so you can set the default, but I've been swamped IRL.

For the text issues, follow the steps from r_rolo1 in this post. If that doesn't do it, I would rename your CustomAssets folder and reinstall BUG.

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

I've been dling this for like 120 minutes. How long will it take? Also, I was dling it with in game patch finder, and I closed the game during that. When I started again it said installation error, but then it started dling. Will that mess it all up? Is there a way to see my dl progress with patch finder?

 

[The Fishman]

I've been dling this for like 120 minutes. How long will it take? Also, I was dling it with in game patch finder, and I closed the game during that. When I started again it said installation error, but then it started dling. Will that mess it all up? Is there a way to see my dl progress with patch finder?

Same here, not quite 120 though. What on earth is going on?

 

[r_rolo1]

My advice is for you to download the patch from the download section in here... you should be the 50th person to complain about auto update lagging today

 

[The Fishman]

My advice is for you to download the patch from the download section in here... you should be the 50th person to complain about auto update lagging today

What should I do about it now? Will closing the game through the X in the corner break it?

 

[EmperorFool]

What should I do about it now? Will closing the game through the X in the corner break it?

It should not cause any problems. The auto-updater first downloads the patch (which is lagging) and then installs it, but it's clear when it starts the second part. Since the patching process hasn't started, your installation hasn't been modified yet.

In other words, it's safe to cancel the download and get the patch another way.

 

[deanej]

Have the people reporting problems with worldbuilder actually tested it? Everything works fine for me.

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

I don't know, last time I downloaded a BtS patch and installed manually it didnt work right. Probably a conflict with a Warlords patch or something, but I'm already 2 hours into it. If I don't get a status bar does that mean its not working?

Edit: I checked my network connections, and I'm not getting any packets with civ4 running.

 

[Minor Annoyance]

That is correct

Urg. Now I'll either have to place units to create the viability grid I want, roll back to the last version every time I go a-mapping, make maps in warlords, or think of some other way to mark the map.

 

[deanej]

Urg. Now I'll either have to place units to create the viability grid I want, roll back to the last version every time I go a-mapping, make maps in warlords, or think of some other way to mark the map.

Have you actually tried it in 3.17? Revealing and unrevealing tiles works just fine for me, the only thing that's different is that squares you have current visibility (ie: can be seen by a unit or city, not tiles that have been revealed but are not currently visable) can't be unrevealed. Before 3.17 you could unreveal a tile a unit was standing on, and the tile would be in the fog of war. Hardly a good thing.

 

[EmperorFool]

Okay, let's debunk the WB reveal thing right now. This is very simple by looking at the code.

Here's the 3.17 version of CvWorldBuilderScreen.py. The two bold lines were added.

def revealAll(self, bReveal):
  for i in range (CyMap().getGridWidth()):
    for j in range (CyMap().getGridHeight()):
      pPlot = CyMap().plot(i,j)
      if (not pPlot.isNone()):
        [b]if bReveal or (not pPlot.isVisible(self.m_iCurrentTeam, False)):[/b]
          pPlot.setRevealed(self.m_iCurrentTeam, bReveal, False, -1);
  self.refreshReveal()
  return

def RevealCurrentPlot(self, bReveal):
  [B]if bReveal or (not self.m_pCurrentPlot.isVisible(self.m_iCurrentTeam, False)):[/b]
    self.m_pCurrentPlot.setRevealed(self.m_iCurrentTeam, bReveal, False, -1)
  return

There are no other changes in this file.

Translating the key new part

if bReveal or (not pPlot.isVisible(...))

into English we get

If we are revealing plots or the plot cannot be seen by a unit​

It is clear from this code that the only change you should see is that you can no longer unreveal a tile which a unit can currently see. This makes perfect sense.

If you are seeing different behavior, your installation is corrupt. Clear your cache, unload mods, remove CustomAssets, or reinstall Civ4 and just the 3.17 patch (it's includes all previous patches).

@Minor Annoyance: You should be able to continue using your mapping technique without any trouble in 3.17.