Civilization depiction elimination thread

[Returning Lurker]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 7
Aztec = 22
China = 10
Germany = 21
Greece =16+1=17
India = 14
Japan = 24
Kongo = 13-3=10
Poland = 12
Rome = 21
Russia = 23
Spain = 21

Okay so... why does Kongo earn double great people of four different flavors? How many great people are Kongo known for? How many Kongolese great people are even in this video game, because if I remember correctly the extended and complete list of Kongolese on the great people list in Civilization 6 is... 0. 1, if you count Ana Nziga, who is a great general which is one of the great people types that Kongo DOESN'T get a bonus towards. I'm not saying Kongo doesn't have great people in real life, but double of four different kinds? And 0 of them are on the list provided in the video game that they are given the bonus in? Couldn't they at least put some Kongo great people on that list to justify it? Also the inability to found religion is stupid as I'm fairly confident they had their own system of beliefs otherwise the Nkisi their ability is based on wouldn't exist (and for the argument of "that's a pantheon" I'm not going to leap into that particular minefield, seeing that I'm already in the middle of a different minefield with the great people complaint, but I will say that I do not think Kongo would've been any less able to found a religion than, say, Russia who gets a ton of religious bonuses despite only adopting Eastern Orthodoxy rather than founding it) Next the Ngao Mbeba are armed with hide shields yet they get a bonus to defending against ranged attacks... u w0t m8? Are they even known for evading ranged attacks? Why such a random bonus? I can get the jungle bonuses since they don't wanna leave the Kongo oh no-no no-no no! but defense against ranged? The Mbanza district is... the name of a city that happened to be one of the only highly populated cities in the Kongo empire and not an actual building or structure. Finally the westernizer King Alfonso I depicted as a traditional tribal leader in ceremonial garb seems like a very flimsy attempt at dodging allegations of imperialist bias.

As for Greece I still think all their bonuses are thematic, their unit is a bit overdone but given a flashy bonus to emulate their highly formation oriented combat style, and I like the difference in city state culture depicted by the Athenians and Spartans. Now if only we could get Alexander... oh... right...

 

[Guandao]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = (7+1)=8 People are mainly downvoting the Australians for appearing before other Civs. I don't think that is a good enough reason in this elimination game. I think Firaxis portrayed Australian history fairly well.
Aztec = 22
China = (10-3)=7 Did Qin Shi Huang ever cared about wonders built by other peoples? I think not. His Agenda lines when translated have nothing to do with wonders, which makes me think they did a last minute change to his Agenda. What does Dynastic Cycles have to do with eurekas and inspirations? The Great Wall is stereotypical. I hate the City-List too, the only city in southern China is Guangzhou...I guess they wanted to represent his Dynasty, but I want a China which can represent all of China's history, not just this one tyrant whose dynasty fell shortly after his death.
Germany = 21
Greece =17
India = 14
Japan = 24
Kongo = 10
Poland = 12
Rome = 21
Russia = 23
Spain = 21

 

[CPWimmer]

Voting a few hours early because I will be out all night

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 9 = 8+1 I like what they did with Australia. One more up-vote even though this is about the right tier for it to leave with - but not until after Kongo.
Aztec = 22
China = 7
Germany = 21
Greece =17
India = 14
Japan = 24
Kongo = 7 = 10-3 No new opinions that haven't been expressed. I agree with most of what has been said against the Kongo at this point. I think it's the worst one still standing (compared to Australia, China, Poland and India).
Poland = 12
Rome = 21
Russia = 23
Spain = 21

 

[LethalLeigh]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 10 (9+1) Got Aus pritty much right apart from their secret Agenda.
Aztec = 22
China = 7
Germany = 21
Greece =17
India = 14
Japan = 24
Kongo = 4 (7-3) Ok to play but a bit lazy in the way they are represented.
Poland = 12
Rome = 21
Russia = 23
Spain = 21

 

[Wingednosering]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11 (10 + 1) I agree that it was too early for them to be included, but they're a fun new addition and this thread is about their representation. I believe they represent modern Australia quite well.
Aztec = 22
China = 7
Germany = 21
Greece =17
India = 14
Japan = 24
Kongo = 4
Poland = 12
Rome = 21
Russia = 20 (23 - 3) Why do they have a unique holy district? Of all the nations that could potentially have a unique holy site, why Russia? They're also the only remaining civ I haven't voted either up or down (except Poland, which I know nothing about).
Spain = 21

 

[Kimiimaro]

Brazil = 2 - 3 = -1 Eliminated ! Just like Australia, it was way too soon for Brazil to come over. Incas, Mapuches, or Muisca would have been prefered over modern nations ... Besides, the bonus to great people doesn't make much sense, as Brazil is not known for its great people (although I really love Jorge Amado's works).

Do you mean Magnanimous? Pedro II was patron of arts and sciences, he was in touch with a lot of great people, such as Richard Wagner, Alexander Graham Bell or Victor Hugo, so I think it makes some sense...

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11
Aztec = 22
China = 7-3=4 - China isn't very known for its wonders, isn't it? I know Forbidden Palace, I know Great Wall, I know Teracotta Army and that's all I know. So The Last Emperor doesn't depict China well. Neither Dynastic Cycle does. Qin Shi Huang, as the first emperor of unified China, isn't bad choice, but his agenda isn't good.
Germany = 21
Greece =17
India = 14
Japan = 24
Kongo = 4
Poland = 12
Rome = 21+1=22 - As much as I think that Rome is one of weakest civs, I think it's well depicted. Trajan is great choice for leader. His agenda, considering during his reign Roman Empire had the most territory in its history, is somewhat good. All Roads Lead to Rome is good, Trajan's columns is good, Legion is good. I think it feels Roman.
Russia = 20
Spain = 21

 

[Morningcalm]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11
Aztec = 22
China = 4
Germany = 21
Greece =17
India = 14
Japan = 24
Kongo = 4 + 1 = 5 (One of the more historically appropriate depictions of any civilization in the game, with clear signs Firaxis did their research--from Nkisi to the Great Merchant bonus both making sense due to the huge mercantile activity during Mvemba's reign. The fact that we don't know many Great Merchants from Kongo shouldn't be held against them, given that if we used that standard it would always be America, England, etc getting mercantile bonuses rather than other civs also known for mercantile ability, like Mali or the Netherlands).
Poland = 12
Rome = 22
Russia = 20 - 3 = 17 (Ridiculously, made into a religious civilization with Great People bonuses, with only minor allusions to the shipbuilding and reforms of Peter the Great).
Spain = 21

 

[Returning Lurker]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11
Aztec = 22
China = 4
Germany = 21
Greece =17
India = 14
Japan = 24
Kongo = 5
Poland = 12
Rome = 22
Russia = 17-3=14
Spain = 21+1=22

Russia being a religious civ is a bit hinky, especially given their choice of leader, Peter being a great detractor of the church and made many reforms in an attempt to limit their power and influence over Russian politics. Also he made and fundedThe All Joking All Drunken Synod of Fools and Jesters, basically a social club where he and his friends parodied the Orthodox Church with similar but humorously distorted creeds, traditions, and ranks in an extremely long and drawn out "take that!" that lasted 30 years. Such was his flippancy towards the church. Then there's the catch-up ability which, while accurate during some parts of Russian history, isn't really the part Russians would take pride in or boast about and there were more memorable or positive abilities to be had. While the great people bonuses, Cossack, and land snatching abilities are all fitting 50% is still a failing grade, and as the herd gets narrowed as we approach the finish line I'm going to have to start being more critical.

Spain is still top class for me and I've explained in depth why I think they are a very well themed civilization.

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11
Aztec = 22
China = 4 - 3 = 1 (Let's get them off this list - I like the eureka bonus but not thrilled with the rest)
Germany = 21 + 1 = 22 (Well done all around. Feels like Germany. Frederick is a good choice for a leader and the production focus makes sense)
Greece =17
India = 14
Japan = 24
Kongo = 5
Poland = 12
Rome = 22
Russia = 14
Spain = 22

 

[Guandao]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11
Aztec = 22
China = (1-3)=0 And China is dead. I think it's design was poorly thought out.
Germany = 22
Greece =17
India = (14+1)=15 It's a decent representation of India, only problem for me is the leader...
Japan = 24
Kongo = 5
Poland = 12
Rome = 22
Russia = 14
Spain = 22

 

[Amrunril]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11
Aztec = 22
Germany = 22
Greece =17
India =16 (15 + 1) Continuing to upvote my favorite, incorporates some of my favorite gameplay elements (tall cities, non-standard religious strategies) in a way that makes both thematic and historical sense.
Japan = 24
Kongo = 5
Poland = 12
Rome = 19 (22 - 1) I feel like I'm the only one upvoting Rome in the power thread and the only one downvoting it in the depiction thread. Effective trade routes aren't very high on the list of things in this game I'd associate with Rome (I actually think this ability would work well for the Inca because of the way it rewards a long internal trade/road network), and a late classical civ isn't a good fit to be the early game expansionist.
Russia = 14
Spain = 22

 

[Wingednosering]

I think it's becoming pretty clear what the final 3 will be.

Since I've voted for every civ at least once, it's time to start focusing down the mid-tier civs.

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11
Aztec = 22
Germany = 22
Greece =14 (17 - 3) The leader situation is really confusing. Macedon has only made it worse. Go all Greece or go Sparta, Athens and Macedon. Don't opt for a half measure like this.

The acropolis district is also more egregious than Egypt's Sphinx. An acropolis isn't necessarily greek and there is no reason for them to generate culture at all. The only reason for an acropolis to generate culture is if it has the Parthenon on top of it. Which would make it a wonder.
India =16
Japan = 24
Kongo = 5
Poland = 12
Rome = 19
Russia = 14
Spain = 23 (22 + 1) They really are one of the best represented nations in the game. Whether or not they're powerful or fun, they're undeniably Spanish.

 

[Kimiimaro]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11
Aztec = 22
Germany = 22
Greece =14
India =16
Japan = 24
Kongo = 5
Poland = 12-3=9 - Polish unique abilities don't say much about Poland. It should go now.
Rome = 19
Russia = 14+1=15 - Sorry, but I have to give Russia some love. The only things that give Russia religious bonuses are Lavra and faith from tundra. And that may be only flaw. But there are good things, too. Bonus territory symbolize how vast Russia is. The Grand Embassy symbolizes how Peter the Great was trying to modernize Russia. Peter the Great is good choice for leader. His agenda makes sense. And Cossack isn't bad, too.
Spain = 23

 

[Zharques]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 11 + 1 = 12. Just love the abilities.
Aztec = 22
Germany = 22
Greece =14
India =16
Japan = 24
Kongo = 5
Poland = 9
Rome = 19
Russia = 15
Spain = 23 - 3 = 20 The Bull just isn't really neccessary. So many better choices for icon.

 

[Liufeng]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 12 - 3 = 9 As I said before, way too soon/
Aztec = 22
Germany = 22
Greece =14
India =16
Japan = 24 + 1 = 25 They're whole civ is a very ggod representation of Japan from the middle ages to the modern era !
Kongo = 5
Poland = 9
Rome = 19
Russia = 15
Spain = 20

 

[Returning Lurker]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 9
Aztec = 22+1=23
Germany = 22-3=19
Greece =14
India =16
Japan = 25
Kongo = 5
Poland = 9
Rome = 19
Russia = 15
Spain = 20

I'm actually not all that impressed with Germany's design. It's got a Holy Roman leader with a slightly perplexing ability (the HRE was a collection of City States itself that unified during times of war so why you get a bonus to conquering city states rather than allying them feels strange), a Holy Roman ability that paradoxically feels more like modern Germany than the Holy Roman Empire, a modern era unit that no one will ever use because naval combat is dumb, and a renaissance unique district which is probably the strongest point of this civ. They pretty much just made a Holy Roman civ then sprinkled some Germany on top of it rather than the other way around, which I would've been totally fine with but at that point why not just make them the HRE?

As for the Aztecs I'm very glad to see the great Meso-American ball game finally make an appearance and they give you incentives to commit ritual war to appease the gods and claim more goods for your empire which fuels yet more ritual war to collect yet more divine favor as you need more luxuries to make your cities happy after you conquer more cities to get the luxuries to make your army stronger to get more luxuries to win the favor of the gods to give you strength and happiness... it's a very thematically fitting yet unobtrusive way that the game encourages you to reenact history without putting a gun to your head and forcing you to play only one way.

 

[Manifold]

America = 26
Arabia = 25
Australia = 6 (9-3) just on principle
Aztec = 23
Germany 19
Greece =14
India =16
Japan = 25
Kongo = 5
Poland = 9
Rome = 20 (19+1) just on principle
Russia = 15
Spain = 20

 

[LethalLeigh]

America = 27 (26+1) Seems to suit the theme of the US.
Arabia = 25
Australia = 6
Aztec = 23
Germany 19
Greece =14
India =16
Japan = 22 (25-3) Because reasons that have nothing to do with the reason this thread exists just like some others get down voted for reasons that have nothing to do with the reason this thread exists.
Kongo = 5
Poland = 9
Rome = 20
Russia = 15
Spain = 20

 

[Guandao]

America = (27-3)=24 Doesn't deserve to be in the lead, I don't get how earning all government legacy bonuses in half the usual time has to do with the founding founders. Don't really care for the UU. Film Studio is ok I guess, but not really unique to America anymore. Roosevelt's Agenda and Ability are ok to a point.
Arabia = 25
Australia = 6
Aztec = 23
Germany 19
Greece =14
India =16
Japan = 22
Kongo = (5+1)=6 I think it's a decent representation of the Kingdom of Kongo. The not founding a religion has to do with Mvemba a Nzinga. They could add another leader who can found a religion.
Poland = 9
Rome = 20
Russia = 15
Spain = 20

 

[Morningcalm]

America = 24
Arabia = 25
Australia = 6
Aztec = 23
Germany 19
Greece =14
India =16
Japan = 22
Kongo = 6 + 1 = 7 (Upvoted for unique civ design that is also generally demonstrative of attention to detail)
Poland = 9
Rome = 20
Russia = 15 - 3 = 12 (Ridiculously cast as a religious civ.)
Spain = 20