[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[DWilson]

I have suspected they might pair Trần Nhân Tông with Kublak, a Dai Viet ruler that opposed him successfully twice for a while. I suppose we shall see!

 

[Txomin]

My first thought when I saw Trung Trac on the patch list was "Time for a new direction in the Vietnam speculation"
I'm glad to have more unknowns for the next dlc pack (assuming Vietnam shows up of course)

 

[ButtBillionaire]

What are the chances they've just gone with Ho Chi Minh? I don't know how controversial he is compared to other historical socialist leaders.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

What are the chances they've just gone with Ho Chi Minh? I don't know how controversial he is compared to other historical socialist leaders.

I feel like they would want to stay away from that time period, due to biases in the US. Especially when there is a vast array of possibilities from Vietnam's thousands of years of history.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I feel like they would want to stay away from that time period, due to biases in the US. Especially when there is a vast array of possibilities from Vietnam's thousands of years of history.

Yeah. However, if we wanted another modern leader, maybe JFK, Jack Lang, and Billy Hughes could work.

 

[AntSou]

I have suspected they might pair Trần Nhân Tông, a Dai Viet ruler that opposed Kublai successfully twice for a while. I suppose we shall see!

I think Le Loi is the most obvious choice now that the Trung Sisters are out.

@Eagle Pursuit If Vietnam/Kublai is a Red Herring, then the Economic Mode is also a Red Herring. That would be the real tragedy.
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Edit: Also, I find it very unlikely they'd give us a full Civ/Leader for free, as some people have suggested. I could see a Persona.

But I've commented before they might still have a couple of individual DLC after NFP, then a final update before releasing whatever else they're working on.

 

[SMcM]

I think if they are generous enough to give us a free leader, it probably would come at the end to bring a closure to Civ6, and it will maximize the amount of surprise because people may think March civ should be the last one. Of course, this is just us being hopeful and try to imagine the ideal situation.

I don't know why this is being speculated about, I suppose it's technically possible but it would be very naive to expect anything like that. They've already given some free content over the last few months, so plenty of goodwill gesture towards fans already, don't see why they would go further than that, they aren't a charity!

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I don't know why this is being speculated about, I suppose it's technically possible but it would be very naive to expect anything like that. They've already given some free content over the last few months, so plenty of goodwill gesture towards fans already, don't see why they would go further than that, they aren't a charity!

Plus, they've already integrated a mod into the base game, so I don't see why they wouldn't integrate more. You're also right about the charity part. We can't expect them to just hand stuff to us on a silver plate.

 

[Codeword Iroquois]

What about Nam Phuong? She was the last Empress Consort, and while she didn't hold nominal power, seemed to have been popular as a civil leader. She did charity work with the Red Cross and was on the post-WW2 reconstruction committee for Vietnam. Unfortunately, her husband was complicit with the Japanese during WW2, and they were ousted by the Communist takeover in the 50s. She lived the remainder of her life in exile in France.

Well... We have Gandhi, so...

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Trung Trac is a new Great General!

Well this is interesting news.
Am I the only one thinking that they could still easily replace her with Trung Nhi when Vietnam comes out?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Well this is interesting news.
Am I the only one thinking that they could still easily replace her with Trung Nhi when Vietnam comes out?

Oooh... A red herring, perhaps.

 

[Jeppetto]

Wait, actually they probably could count Magneficent Cath as one female leader come to think of it. Though that'd be weird when Teddy came alongside.

Well this is interesting news.
Am I the only one thinking that they could still easily replace her with Trung Nhi when Vietnam comes out?

No, someone already mentoined it before. I don't even think it has to be Trung Nhi. Any warmongering or propaganding famous person will do for the effect.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

No, someone already mentoined it before. I don't even think it has to be Trung Nhi. Any warmongering or propaganding famous person will do for the effect.

Yeah but usually Great Generals that have been replaced were from similar backgrounds, due to keeping the same ability and the time period.
Genghis Khan replaced by Timur and Simon Bolivar replaced by Jose de San Martin.

I don't necessarily think she will be replaced at this point but who knows?

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

I have suspected they might pair Trần Nhân Tông with Kublak, a Dai Viet ruler that opposed him successfully twice for a while. I suppose we shall see!

This was the direction I initially went with, Tran Nhan Tong and Kublai in the same pack makes a lot of sense.
If Vietnam actually makes it, it won't be female. I'm Vietnamese and since the Vietnamese independence from Chinese influence in 938, we had one Empress, Ly Chieu Hoang, who was 9 years old, got married and forced to abdicate the throne in favor of her husband when she was 12. So no chance in hell there.
Again, if Vietnam is not a false lead, I think it may either be Tran Nhan Tong (I am leaning toward this option due to Kublai), Le Thanh Tong (the longest golden age and the peak of Vietnamese territory) or Ho Chi Minh.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

This was the direction I initially went with, Tran Nhan Tong and Kublai in the same pack makes a lot of sense.
If Vietnam actually makes it, it won't be female. I'm Vietnamese and since the Vietnamese independence from Chinese influence in 938, we had one Empress, Ly Chieu Hoang, who was 9 years old, got married and forced to abdicate the throne in favor of her husband when she was 12. So no chance in hell there.
Again, if Vietnam is not a false lead, I think it may either be Tran Nhan Tong (I am leaning toward this option due to Kublai), Le Thanh Tong (the longest golden age and the peak of Vietnamese territory) or Ho Chi Minh.

What about Le Loi?

 

[sweetbrown89]

Wait, actually they probably could count Magneficent Cath as one female leader come to think of it. Though that'd be weird when Teddy came alongside.

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking, earlier.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

What about Le Loi?

Le Loi is a fine option, too, he even has the same last name as me The thing about Le Loi is he is known for winning a defensive war against the Ming dynasty, which is kinda like what Tran Nhan Tong is known for the most (winning a defensive war against the mongols in the 2nd and 3rd invasion attempt), so they both fill the same box. Again I think Tran Nhan Tong is (slightly) more likely because of the theming with Kublai, and we know Civ 6 has been going in that direction with Tomyris and Cyrus.

Le Thanh Tong because maybe beside conquest, he can excel at infrastructure and government as well, so he fills a different box.
And Ho Chi Minh because he is a communist lol, so that is like a whooooole different box.

And maybe because I'm biased, but I don't think Vietnam is out or is a red herring, considering NFP has been just a fan service so far with its civ choices. Baiting with such a popular request is just cruel.

BTW, considering Vietnam is most likely not gonna be led by a woman if it is in, that leaves us with the March pack's female leader, and a possibility for a surprise Maria I afterward to make it 3 female

 

[sweetbrown89]

The new City-States are nice additions! A Silk Road or another SEA Scenario seems likely...

Just going by City-State ascendancy, I would suspect to see for Civ 7:
- Switzerland has both Geneva & Zurich
- Ireland has Armagh & Dublin (and is obviously requested like crazy...I could see the Gaels being in)
- Sri Lanka / Tamil / Sinhala (as an area, before anyone gets snippy) has had Colombo & Kandy and with Chandragupta hints that there will be more nuance in the Indian subcontinent / SEA — I wouldn’t be surprised if they did something like Mughals / Tamils in addition to “India”
- Bulgars have Sofia & Preslav
- South Africa has Cape Town & Johannesburg

So I wouldn’t be surprised if Civ 7 introduces them or any of the other highly requested ones.

Shoshone I would rule out tbh, it's not an especially obvious choice when compared to other native American groups. If people are under the impression it might become a series regular that is in my opinion a perspective distorted by it being in the most recent Civ game before this. If anything, I think it being in Civ 5 makes it less likely to show up here, since it's been featured recently and it's more likely they will pick a different group since Shoshone is hardly so significant that it's irreplaceable. For the same reason I'm not thinking Cree is unlikely to reappear in the next game.

I think speculating first featured in Civ 5 civs might return just because they were in that game doesn't make sense really. Yes some of them have returned, for instance Brazil being in the base game, Indonesia and Poland in DLC, and Sweden in an expansion. And those ones seem to be potential regulars for various reasons- partly for marketing reasons I'd say- aiming to represent countries with large populations or significant video game popularity, and partly just trying not to leave significant parts of the world unrepresented. It seems some representation for Polynesia will be in civ games now (Polynesia and now Maori), and following the lead of Mapuche and Kongo I think we can expect more variety in South American and Sub-Saharan African civilizations in the future. But, Assyria seems to have essentially been swapped out for Sumeria as the Mesopotamian civ which isn't Babylon slot this time, in spite of Assyria having ruled the largest empire in history up to that point. And Austria, Venice and Huns haven't appeared, and I doubt they will as future DLC.

Iroquois is a possibility I would agree, but on the 'returning civ' rationale I think that Sitting Bull coming back (this time leading Sioux instead of 'Native Americans') is just as plausible. I can think of no reason why other groups like the Apache, Navajo, Comanche, etc., aren't at least just as likely to show up as the Shoshone. It's not like it saves them work since they would hardly going to copy their Civ 5 design anyway, and in terms of popularity yes Shoshone will be fairly popular now among civ fans for having appeared in Civ 5, but groups like the Apache already need no introduction.

The pattern is there. No rationale that says it’s being diverted from. The Shoshone are likely going to be slanted, just based on the pattern, so Navajo / Comanche / Apache are possible to fill that slot...especially when we’ve only had 3 new Civs (Gran Colombia, Gaul, Vietnam) and the general pattern is 3-4.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The new City-States are nice additions! A Silk Road or another SEA Scenario seems likely...

Just going by City-State ascendancy, I would suspect to see for Civ 7:
- Switzerland has both Geneva & Zurich
- Ireland has Armagh & Dublin (and is obviously requested like crazy...I could see the Gaels being in)
- Sri Lanka / Tamil / Sinhala (as an area, before anyone gets snippy) has had Colombo & Kandy and with Chandragupta hints that there will be more nuance in the Indian subcontinent / SEA — I wouldn’t be surprised if they did something like Mughals / Tamils in addition to “India”
- Bulgars have Sofia & Preslav
- South Africa has Cape Town & Johannesburg

So I wouldn’t be surprised if Civ 7 introduces them or any of the other highly requested ones.

What about Italy whose had many including two in this game?

Honestly I can see Ireland and Bulgaria as being the most probable for Civ 7.

Switzerland honestly feels like it should always stay as a neutral city-state for some reason.
Sri Lanka/Tamil I only possibly see if they break up India, at least.
South Africa is always covered by the Zulu but hey the Dutch now need a post-colonial civ right?

 

[Zaarin]

Dutch now need a post-colonial civ right?

We already have one: Indonesia.