[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I mean, they're occupying a civ slot that could be held by literally anyone else, and they have the worst music in the game. I reserve the right to hold that against them.

Right but I guess in my mind, geographically speaking, they are taking a spot from an Aboriginal group, that most likely wasn't going to happen.

If you need to blame someone I'm with you on possibly blaming Canada considering we got the Cree in as well.

Yes, Scotland was poorly designed if they wanted it to be the "Celtic" civ and felt even more extraneous when they made it a very British Scotland alongside a very British England.

Which is probably why they brought in Gaul. The design for Scotland would have been better if the Highlander was more of a Medieval unit with a claymore.

Though I do expect Civ 7 for them to go with Ireland to solve that problem with a gallowglass.

 

[AntSou]

My first impression is that Kublai's model doesn't come across as particularly visually appealing in the context of Civ 6 standards.

It could be due to it being an average quality gif, or the specific animation that they use here making it look worse (the arm just clips into the body in a fairly jarring manner):

Alright I'll stop criticizing and wait for the actual reveal. Those furs and clothing will look better in HD.
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Edit: For comparison, here's Teddy's gif versus HD. Without the texture of HD it just looks like an unappealing brown mess, which is a bit what the yellow above looks like

Spoiler :

 

[Jeppetto]

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The divine hand be upon these robes

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

My first impression is that Kublai's model doesn't come across as particularly visually appealing in the context of Civ 6 standards.

It could be due to it being an average quality gif, or the specific animation that they use here making it look worse (the arm just clips into the body in a fairly jarring manner):

Alright I'll stop criticizing and wait for the actual reveal. Those furs and clothing will look better in HD.
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Edit: For comparison, here's Teddy's gif versus HD. Without the texture of HD it just looks like an unappealing brown mess, which is a bit what the yellow above looks like

Spoiler :

I'm reserving judgement until we see what he looks like also in action/see his animations. Still pictures of leaders don't necessarily give the leaders justice.

 

[Zaarin]

Right but I guess in my mind, geographically speaking, they are taking a spot from an Aboriginal group, that most likely wasn't going to happen.

I was never expecting an Aboriginal civ. They don't even make sense to include, and on top of it all they don't want to be included.

Though I do expect Civ 7 for them to go with Ireland to solve that problem with a gallowglass.

Ireland would have made more sense in the first place IMO.

My first impression is that Kublai's model doesn't come across as particularly visually appealing in the context of Civ 6 standards.

Sadly all of the NFP leaders aside from Lady Six Sky have been below average IMO, even aside from the reused animations. I've been very disappointed on that front.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I was never expecting an Aboriginal civ. They don't even make sense to include, and on top of it all they don't want to be included.

I agree. Which is why when that Noongar civ was leaked for GS I didn't believe it at all. Not to mention Roxelana and Atahualpa were in that one too.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

To add to the list of close relatives appearing in the game, while not a blood relation, Catherine de' Medici was mother-in-law to Philip II for a while.

Also, if we were to include leaders appearing in different versions of the game, Chandragupta Maurya (Civ VI) - Ashoka (Civ IV) are another grandfather-grandson pair.

So in terms of blood relations between leaders across all games, so far we have this (I will only list here direct and vertical relationships since I feel the English monarchy makes all the horizontal relationships too complicated)
1. THE CLOSEST: Gustavus (Civ5) and Kristina (Civ6) - Father and Daughter
2. Monty I and Monty II (Grandfather and Grandson)
3. Genghis and Kublai (Grandfather and Grandson)
4. Chandragupta (Civ6) and Asoka (Civ4) (Grandfather and grandson)
5. Maria I (Civ5) and Pedro II (Civ5&6) (Great-grandmother and Great-grandson)
6. Isabella (Civ2,3,4,5) and Philip II (Civ6) (Great-grandmother and Great-grandson)
Other notable non-vertical blood relationships I found are:
1. Casimir III (Civ5) was the great-uncle of Jadwiga (Civ6) (a brother of her paternal grandmother)
2. Suryavarman II (Civ4) was the first cousin, once removed of Jayavarman VII (Civ6) (Surya was the cousin-uncle, Jaya was the cousin-nephew).

 

[Zaarin]

Not to mention Roxelana and Atahualpa were in that one too.

*drinks from gilt skull* Well, there go the ESRB ratings, and I do believe we just got banned in Australia.

 

[Guandao]

So Kublai Khan has been revealed? He looks pretty different from Genghis.
I can't wait to see who's the Vietnamese leader next week. A part of me still thinks it will be a female leader.....

 

[BD123]

So in terms of blood relations between leaders across all games, so far we have this (I will only list here direct and vertical relationships since I feel the English monarchy makes all the horizontal relationships too complicated)
1. THE CLOSEST: Gustavus (Civ5) and Kristina (Civ6) - Father and Daughter
2. Monty I and Monty II (Grandfather and Grandson)
3. Genghis and Kublai (Grandfather and Grandson)
4. Chandragupta (Civ6) and Asoka (Civ4) (Grandfather and grandson)
5. Maria I (Civ5) and Pedro II (Civ5&6) (Great-grandmother and Great-grandson)
6. Isabella (Civ2,3,4,5) and Philip II (Civ6) (Great-grandmother and Great-grandson)
Other notable non-vertical blood relationships I found are:
1. Casimir III (Civ5) was the great-uncle of Jadwiga (Civ6) (a brother of her paternal grandmother)
2. Suryavarman II (Civ4) was the first cousin, once removed of Jayavarman VII (Civ6) (Surya was the cousin-uncle, Jaya was the cousin-nephew).

I miss Isabella leading Spain in Civ, maybe if we don't get Portugal in March we can have an Iberian pack and they give Spain Isabella as alt leader but that seems veryyyyy unlikely

Right but I guess in my mind, geographically speaking, they are taking a spot from an Aboriginal group, that most likely wasn't going to happen.

If you need to blame someone I'm with you on possibly blaming Canada considering we got the Cree in as well.


Which is probably why they brought in Gaul. The design for Scotland would have been better if the Highlander was more of a Medieval unit with a claymore.

Though I do expect Civ 7 for them to go with Ireland to solve that problem with a gallowglass.

I'm on the blame Canada train here too, especially since Canada's introduction was so underwhelming in terms of gameplay and the civ design was even more meme-like than Scotland with its golf course. Even after a couple of patches I still find Canada a lackluster civ to play without a mod like Civilizations Expanded. At least Australia is fun to play if you block out their music, but they were also a contentious addition especially when they were the second ones added after base game launch.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

So in terms of blood relations between leaders across all games, so far we have this (I will only list here direct and vertical relationships since I feel the English monarchy makes all the horizontal relationships too complicated)
1. THE CLOSEST: Gustavus (Civ5) and Kristina (Civ6) - Father and Daughter
2. Monty I and Monty II (Grandfather and Grandson)
3. Genghis and Kublai (Grandfather and Grandson)
4. Chandragupta (Civ6) and Asoka (Civ4) (Grandfather and grandson)
5. Maria I (Civ5) and Pedro II (Civ5&6) (Great-grandmother and Great-grandson)
6. Isabella (Civ2,3,4,5) and Philip II (Civ6) (Great-grandmother and Great-grandson)
Other notable non-vertical blood relationships I found are:
1. Casimir III (Civ5) was the great-uncle of Jadwiga (Civ6) (a brother of her paternal grandmother)
2. Suryavarman II (Civ4) was the first cousin, once removed of Jayavarman VII (Civ6) (Surya was the cousin-uncle, Jaya was the cousin-nephew).

Roosevelt and Roosevelt were distant cousins i believe

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Roosevelt and Roosevelt were distant cousins i believe

This is true, but FDR was ALSO
TR's

son in law

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

This is true, but FDR was ALSO
TR's

son in law

SWEET HOME, ALABAMA!

 

[SammyKhalifa]

ah that's right, haha

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Roosevelt and Roosevelt were distant cousins i believe

This is true, but FDR was ALSO
TR's

son in law

I didn't include horizontal relationships like cousin because I feel Victoria will complicate things a lot, she is deemed the grandmother of europe so I feel she will make things impossible to list lol
If we take into account non-blood relationships then Philip II was CdM's son-in-law for 10 years also, as someone pointed out above.

 

[leif erikson]

Moderator Action: As usual, back to topic please.

 

[Jeppetto]

Oof. Doesn't the leader background change with what the leader leads? I assumed what we saw what China Kublai, while he'd have white robes, baldness and hat as Mongol Kublai. But the little we can see from the background seems to me like focus on country and steppe, as If we saw the Mongol Kublai. Good news is that Eleanor had different backgrounds than CdM/Vic, so this still may be China Kublai, he doesn't need to have the same background as Qin.

 

[Lord Lakely]

If Kublai leads China alongside Mongolia, I expect he'll have a different background, if he also has a different character model. All three leaders with an alternative character model (Eleanor, CdM, Teddy) also have a different background from their default one.

So it is strange they went with Mongol background, Chinese costume. This could, in theory, make him applicable to both Mongolia and China without changing anything. Maybe they used the leader model of one and the background of the other for the tweet? Who knows!

Or, he just leads Mongolia with a generalist 'asian emperor' outfit to distinguish him from the other Khan, which is what Occam's Razor would suggest.

 

[Zaarin]

So it is strange they went with Mongol background, Chinese costume. This could, in theory, make him applicable to both Mongolia and China without changing anything.

That would be in keeping with the general level of effort that has gone into NFP leader designs.

 

[Morningcalm]

That would be in keeping with the general level of effort that has gone into NFP leader designs.

I have to agree here. Why are NFP leader designs generally so stiff? I think only Lady Six Sky and Menelik II avoid uncanny valley territory.