Clown Car III: Who's Laughing Now

[Cutlass]

Conservative politics being explained to Charlie Brown.

 

[metalhead]

Here's the thing - Charlie's life improves more by knowing politicians are out there taking things away from minorities, than it is made worse for the economic policies that also make him poorer and more reliant on government largesse.

People vote their interests. A lot of people have a larger interest in being represented by racists than they do in economic policy that doesn't actively work against their well-being. Charlie Brown knows his lot won't improve.

 

[Synobun]

I thought this was an Onion article.

It is not.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164

Under the Presidential Records Act, the White House must preserve all memos, letters, emails and papers that the president touches, sending them to the National Archives for safekeeping as historical records.

But White House aides realized early on that they were unable to stop Trump from ripping up paper after he was done with it and throwing it in the trash or on the floor, according to people familiar with the practice. Instead, they chose to clean it up for him, in order to make sure that the president wasn’t violating the law.

Staffers had the fragments of paper collected from the Oval Office as well as the private residence and send it over to records management across the street from the White House for Larkey and his colleagues to re-assemble.

“We got Scotch tape, the clear kind,” Lartey recalled in an interview. “You found pieces and taped them back together and then you gave it back to the supervisor.” The restored papers would then be sent to the National Archives to be properly filed away.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Strike six will be when you spout the exact same already proven false nonsense again, just to see if anyone is exasperated enough to say something they can get in trouble for, as you do with astonishing consistency........

I'm ready for this! I have new retort that i want to try.

 

[Cutlass]

Even Republican strategists are now calling Trump a clown.

Republican strategist Steve Schmidt said Sunday that President Trump “beclowned himself” and disgraced the United States at the Group of Seven (G-7) summit.

“From his slovenly appearance to his unpreparedness, ignorance and arrogance, he beclowned himself,” tweeted Schmidt, one of the loudest GOP critics of Trump. “The Republican majority is filled with cowards who are servile supplicants to the most unfit POTUS ever.”



TRUMP disgraced the Presidency and the United States at the G-7 summit. From his slovenly appearance to his unpreparedness, ignorance and arrogance, he beclowned himself. The Republican majority is filled with cowards who are servile supplicants to the most unfit POTUS ever

— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) June 10, 2018
Schmidt, a former aide to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and an MSNBC analyst, also called Russian President Vladimir Putin “the greatest intelligence agent —ever” in a separate tweet.

“He has engineered the unraveling of the western alliance, fidelity to democracy in the United States and the severing of the [United Kingdom] from the [European Union]. It’s a remarkable achievement,” he tweeted of Putin.



I think it’s time we give Vladimir Putin his due. He is clearly the greatest intelligence agent —ever . He has engineered the unraveling of the western alliance, fidelity to democracy in the United States and the severing of the UK from the EU. It’s a remarkable achievement

— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) June 10, 2018
Schmidt has been highly critical of Trump and his administration. Earlier this year, he compared Trump’s staff to monkeys "hurling their excrement at each other."

Trump made headlines on Friday when he called for Russia to be readmitted to the G-7, after being removed over the annexation of Crimea. Other world leaders in the group rejected the proposal.

Trump also refused to back a joint communique issued by the participating nations at the end of the summit, and slammed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as “very dishonest & weak.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...rategist-trump-beclowned-himself-at-g7-summit

 

[Takhisis]

Charlie Brown knows his lot won't improve.

Won't isn't the same as can't.

 

[onejayhawk]

Which again, @Timsup2nothin already demonstrated was across the board, and attributable to cord-cutting/NETFLIX, etc., not the protest. So, to refresh... you're wrong. Meaningless rhetoric, which I'm taking as an acknowledgment that you're wrong. More meaningless rhetoric... which again indicates that you know you're wrong. Since you like mixing metaphors... that's three strikes... you're out. They don't. They compare better to the extra 7 "nondressed" NFL players that you added to the 46-man roster to make 53. I used your numbers rather than arguing about it because you're wrong in any case. Strike four. As I've said, they're not "my" numbers. They're your numbers. I used your numbers specifically to avoid you doing exactly what you're doing now anyway.... which is what you always do when you're proven wrong... start going around cherry picking numbers to your liking and then arguing that the numbers that proved you wrong weren't "the right" numbers. Anyway, a simple glance at your link shows that the figures you state as the average don't even match the number listed on the site you linked. I stopped there because if you're misquoting your own link to fudge the numbers in your favor, there's really nothing more to talk about. Strike five.

Factually incorrect. You cited an average salary, which is not the correct standard. I cited complete payroll, which is different. I conceded that television viewing is down, with the proviso that it is less so for live events.

Spotrac gives, "A real-time look at the 2018 payroll totals." That means they are regularly updated. The number I copied and pasted two days ago has moved a full percentage point. Imagine my shock. Try a lot harder.

J

 

[onejayhawk]

Didn't say that. Don't lie about my posts.

This is unclear.

What you said

It's one of history's great lies that universal health care is unaffordable. The rest of the developed world figured this out a long time ago.

That seems to say that universal health care is affordable. Are you walking that back?

In any event, I still want to know what this has to do with ACA.

On the subject of misrepresenting posts, what about this one.

J prefers the old system, where he didn't have to suffer the indignity of more poor people having access to health care.

There is not a word of truth in this.

J

 

[FriendlyFire]

The healthcare surcharge is just the name for a tax that goes into general revenue, there's no real relation to healthcare costs. Costs are in the $5k/capita/year range, same as every other developed country. (Except USA, which is double.)

 

[Timsup2nothin]

There is not a word of truth in this.

J

And yet it is so widely believed.

 

[Berzerker]

The healthcare surcharge is just the name for a tax that goes into general revenue, there's no real relation to healthcare costs. Costs are in the $5k/capita/year range, same as every other developed country. (Except USA, which is double.)

I was wondering how the actual expenses were paid... So does that mean Aussies pay them via the general revenue, ie single payer?

I know the USA gets gouged on drug prices, but part of that results from other countries fixing prices so the USA makes up some of the difference. We're paying more for both profits and new research and we subsidize other countries with our military. Maybe that accounts for a good chunk of our higher costs.

edit: We're also probably the most obese country and we're bathing in toxins thanks to corporations and their politicians.

There is not a word of truth in this.

J

like

 

[Sommerswerd]

Factually incorrect. You cited an average salary, which is not the correct standard. I cited complete payroll, which is different. I conceded that television viewing is down, with the proviso that it is less so for live events.

This is so far into the weeds at this point that its barely relevant. The point, again, is that you are wrong that the protest caused the NFL to lose money. The owners are just bowing to Trump and his supporters in an attempt to end the controversy... also, they, like many trump supporters, resent it when black people complain about racism, so they are trying to shut the protest down.

 

[metalhead]

That seems to say that universal health care is affordable. Are you walking that back?

In any event, I still want to know what this has to do with ACA.

I wasn't talking about the ACA at the time. I am not walking anything back. Stop lying.

 

[onejayhawk]

This is so far into the weeds at this point that its barely relevant. The point, again, is that you are wrong that the protest caused the NFL to lose money. The owners are just bowing to Trump and his supporters in an attempt to end the controversy... also, they, like many trump supporters, resent it when black people complain about racism, so they are trying to shut the protest down.

One shows rough equality and the other shows more than 40% difference. How is that in the weeds? After all, you chose to contest the point.

I give you the owners want any and all forms of protest out of sight, because it detracts from appreciation of the product. What this has to do with President Trump is unclear.

J

 

[Zelig]

I was wondering how the actual expenses were paid... So does that mean Aussies pay them via the general revenue, ie single payer?

I don't know how Australian bean counters work the numbers, but in the context of UHC it doesn't particularly matter.

I know the USA gets gouged on drug prices, but part of that results from other countries fixing prices so the USA makes up some of the difference. We're paying more for both profits and new research and we subsidize other countries with our military. Maybe that accounts for a good chunk of our higher costs.

edit: We're also probably the most obese country and we're bathing in toxins thanks to corporations and their politicians.

Sure, lots of reasons. Biggest reason is simply that the system is inefficient by design.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

One shows rough equality and the other shows more than 40% difference. How is that in the weeds? After all, you chose to contest the point.

I give you the owners want any and all forms of protest out of sight, because it detracts from appreciation of the product. What this has to do with President Trump is unclear.

J

It's only unclear to you, and that's apparently due to you not having a glass belly button.

 

[Berzerker]

Now I'm wondering what state has the best system... With 50 I'd think/hope somebody can figure it out. But maybe corporations have just bought most every politician they need to buy.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Moderator Action: Thread closed for review.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Moderator Action: OK. After a careful review, we are opening the thread again. There are a few of you who are openly trolling each other, and this is going to stop. A few other things that will cause further action to be taken in this thread are (in no order of importance):

1. Discussing each other instead of the posts in the thread.
2. Misrepresenting another poster's post for the purpose of deliberate trolling.
3. Ad hominem attacks on another poster.
4. Accusing another poster of being a liar. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if you think it is wrong.

Basically, stop baiting, trolling and being dismissive and discuss the topic.

That being said, enjoy the discussion and above all, behave.

 

[Takhisis]

Is ‘what you have posted is completely incorrect/wrong’ accepted?