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DaNES II: When the Stars Fall

Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by Dachs, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. Theige

    Theige American Baron

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    Its just a completely nonsensical action, that would never occur.

    Their navies were combined precisely so they could defeat the Perseid navy, yet they don't modify their plans to fight that navy when it is nearby to them?

    Also, he could have answered you in about 5 minutes :sad:
     
  2. Kraznaya

    Kraznaya Princeps

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    From: Sun Zheng Chancellor of Wu Chao
    To: Liang


    It seems this war is at ultimate stalemate with fighting only hurting both sides without benefit to either. We'd like to negotiate peace with borders at the Huai River, close to where they currently are.

    OOC: It seems that any experience or skill level isn't just composition for overwhelming advantage at this point; see: Seleukia versus Areia, everyone versus Perseids
     
  3. Tree151

    Tree151 Warlord

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    To - Abraha, renegade Malik of the rebel kingdom of Quataban
    From - Negusa nagast Gersem, Ruler of Aksum

    We have grown tired of these revolts. Either you surrender immediately and unconditionally and you shall be escorted to your home for house arrest, or your and your soldiers' heads will be on display on Adulis' walls, after we behead each and every one of you. You have been warned.

    EDIT: Also, I am pretty sure I had 3 Prestige Points last turn, I lost 1 because of the Quataban revolt, but then I got one for the invasion of Aigyptos. Why did it go down to 2 points?
     
  4. Theige

    Theige American Baron

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    Another thing, if Mysia and Chaonia have submitted to their old overlords, why are they still shown as independent? :p
     
  5. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    Okay, I counted a net gain of +5 Prestige for this turn, but I have only 9 Prestige in the stats, despite having 6 last turn. 'sup?

    You know I would have thought that you guys would have learned from last turn that coordinating two independent navies is extremely hard in this era. It's like touching a stove after you get burned from it once. :(
     
  6. conehead234

    conehead234 Braves on the Warpath

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    We have pushed you out of our territory. Are you ready to come to the table and discuss peace?
     
  7. Kal'thzar

    Kal'thzar Deity

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    Feasibly it should work but you would need to form it as one navy and put one person in overall charge, or other attempts to giving the entire thing more structure.
     
  8. Morning Star

    Morning Star Chieftain

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    Long time lurker; first time poster here.

    I would like to lay claim to the Houqin Dynasty of China.
     
  9. The Strategos

    The Strategos Thanatos

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    To: Prince of Liang
    From: Son of Heaven


    In our goodness and mercy we are willing to make perpetual peace at prewar borders in exchange for 100 talents to be paid at a rate no less than 10 talents a year.
     
  10. Morning Star

    Morning Star Chieftain

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    To Daliang
    From Emperor Hunmo


    We will stop our raids on you for 400 talents.
     
  11. alex994

    alex994 Hail Divine Emperor!

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    OOC: @Morning Star, I think you guys already stopped your raids.

    Interesting update, I admit I lol'ed at the situation in the Eastern Mediterranean.
     
  12. Morning Star

    Morning Star Chieftain

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    We have not.
     
  13. Adrogans

    Adrogans Quiet Laughter...

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    Remove yourself from Walhia and pay us 100 talents in reparations and we will let your forces leave intact.

    OOC:
    @ Dachs - Um did my army quality improve, since it says 190/190?
     
  14. alex994

    alex994 Hail Divine Emperor!

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    OOC: My bad, for some odd reason I saw Dayang as opposed to Daliang.

    IC:

    To: The State of Yamato
    From: The Kingdom of Nanyue


    Bearing gifts and greetings from Nanyue, we come as friends to the court of the Suiko-tennō. Even in Nanyue, we have heard of the wondrous splendors of the Yamato court. Furthermore, we have heard that many of the wise people of Yamato have taken a keen interest in the scriptures of the Awakened One. That and the desire of many of our merchants to come to Yamato have inclined our Lord to dispatch this humble embassy. We request the Suiko-tennō to allow Nanyue to maintain a permanent embassy at your court and that your Highness extend your protection to our humble merchants.

    To: The State of Jin-Guk
    From: The Kingdom of Nanyue


    Mighty indeed the state of Jin-Guk are. We have heard of the military victories scored against the mighty Liang and have come as visitors to your mighty court so that we may better learn from your success. Furthermore, we ask that your mighty state extend its official protection to our humble merchants on their voyages to your state. And knowing your wisdom, we present to you scriptures from the Awakened One.

    To: The State of Champa
    From: The Kingdom of Nanyue


    We come as emissaries from King Zhao Wenming of Nanyue. We beseech our neighbor, the state of Champa, to not be alarmed at our intervention in Funan. The Kingdom of Nanyue intervened in order to preserve the stability and integrity of the Funanese state. Our action shall aid the people of Funan in finding and reaching the Righteous Path. We assure the Lord of Champa that our Lord and Ruler has no hostile intentions towards his neighbor and desires only the strongest bonds of friendship between our two states.

    OOC: I don't know what happened. Bird, could you combine this post with the one above? Thanks!

    IC:
    To: The State of Wu
    From: The Kingdom of Nanyue


    Your state is wise, and have only fought in order so that peace be kept and livelihoods preserved. Your people have long known of the wisdom of the Awakened One. Your arms are just in your struggle and your hearts and minds are deep in search for The Truth. We offer the finest handwritten manuscripts of the Awakened One and beautiful carved ivory tusks and religious art (around 711 silver talent's worth) for your Lord, should your Lord desire to learn wisdom and come into the Light.
     
  15. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

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    Great update, and prompt too!

    Sorry about my spending orders. So, am I right now? :
    1. the charges on the front page are for raising the infantry;
    2. upkeep is calculated utterly unpredictably from the number of troops;
    3. I can recruit additional troops (up to an unpredictable extent) from levies.

    Also, I didn't see in the update that I got a port opened to my merchants in Patalene, and no Patalene warships arrived in the gulf. Has Commander Gorma been playing tricks on me?
     
  16. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    Reno, your levies demobilized on the grounds that you weren't in a war in which they had any interest, and you didn't order them around.
    From the plans, it's not clear that your main goal was to defeat the Perseid fleet. Thlayli's orders certainly didn't make any reference to even engaging it until much later, and then by using Crete as a lure. Kentharu's orders specifically forbade an engagement with the Perseid fleet until after they'd linked up with the Panormans off the Libyan coast, and by then the damage had been done anyway. The entire situation was made even more complex by Kentharu's statements that a) his ships needed to hang tight with the Panormans and that b) the point was to destroy the Perseid fleet - irreconcilable in the face of Thlayli's instructions.

    But the main thing is that uncovering Alexandreia was the key point. It appeared in everybody's orders, to be done at the beginning of the turn, with no alternatives for me to follow in the event that Bill did...well, exactly what he did.
    You demand unconditional surrender after having been driven out of Himyar? We did not defeat your armies merely to submit to your wrath anyway. No terms, no deal.
    ¿Que?
    From a command-structure-specific point of view, yes, that would be the right thing to do, but from a purely political point of view, it was more or less disastrous.
    Yours. Welcome to NESing! :) You have a good handle on the rules, etc.?
    Yes, I can't count. Fixing...
    Yes, sort of, and yes. There is a method to the upkeep madness, and you can generally be quite sure that if you are increasing the number of professional troops, their quality, or fighting a war, or something else of that nature, that your upkeep will go up. Upkeep also covers civilian bureaucracy and (for a generally much lower cost) infrastructure maintenance.
    As you suspected, 'Nova Corinth' does not actually exist. Substantively, I was unsure as to whether to add reduced trade duties for you, on the grounds that I wasn't sure whether he really was being sneaky or not, but then decided that it didn't matter since trade through such a port would be negligible with the heavy commerce-raiding still going on.

    And the reason no Patalan warships arrived in the Gulf, as one might have suspected from the update, is because I am apparently missing casualties for both that segment of the update and for the Indian one. Oy. Rest assured, they did actually get there, though engagements were limited. I'm in class for more or less the next nine hours, so I won't be able to fix it until then, sorry.
     
  17. Tree151

    Tree151 Warlord

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    To - Abraha, renegade Malik of the rebel kingdom of Quataban
    From - Negusa nagast Gersem, Ruler of Aksum

    That was your last warning. Be watchful while you sleep though, Aksum's armies will be marching by your doorstep. Good day, sir.
     
  18. Reno

    Reno The Studio Ghibli Fanatic

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    Fair enough, I'm sure the promise of lands from Burgunda will do the trick.

    IC:

    To: Panormos
    From: The Aorsi

    We wish the best of luck in your war, and hope that a lasting peace will form between our people and yours. (Read: Thank you for not stabbing us in the back. :) )
     
  19. Thlayli

    Thlayli Le Pétit Prince

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    @Morning Star: Welcome! Always good to get some fresh blood.

    Well, my plan certainly did not involve sailing around, beating up Chaonia for 3 years. As opposed to, you know, actually helping Makedonia and/or Aigyptos somehow. With that said...

    From: The Republic of Panormos
    To: Aorsi


    Clearly we are both too busy with other matters to take up the great conflict of civilization versus barbarism once more. :)p) Peace is agreeable.

    From: The Republic of Panormos
    To: Chaonia


    The majority of your fleet lies in a smoking ruin at the base of the Mediterranean. You have lost almost all of Italy, and you have no way of reinforcing it. Furthermore, you are running out of funds with which to pay your troops. And most of those troops are engaged in an entirely separate war to begin with.

    So, we propose this. Withdraw from Apoulia, recognize our suzerainty over all of Megale Hellas, and we will give you 100 talents in compensation. Then, we will have peace and friendship once more.

    Refuse, and we will simply take what we want, destroy the rest of your fleet, strangle your trade, and wait for your armies to mutiny due to lack of pay.
     
  20. alex994

    alex994 Hail Divine Emperor!

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    OOC: Responses to my diplo to Champa would be nice, and to Jin-Guk too if bombshoo doesn't show :(
     

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