The work force needed to round up all those "illegals" are ready and willing: just hire all the white militias Trump loves. They might even do the job for less than the minimum wage or just trade their labor for arms and ammunition.
Deportation: Millions must go!
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No manual labor like that left in our operation. Don't know. None, I suppose.
Oh, paying for wages might actually require altering the farm bill so that it's over half production instead of over half distribution, as it is now through food assistance, school lunches... that whole side of things. I don't think that we have the chops for it. I think they'd just let everything explode.
So yeah, let's see where this goes. I'm guessing the workers get screwed harder than anyone worried about thier groceries. They're already worried about that, too.
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It goes beyond not liking it, which I don't. The major point is its a pejorative its, diminishing, and normalizing the use of the term is enabling racist speak. Its not the same as redneck as some people wear that name as a badge of honor, there is nothing honorable about the other. Dance around it all you want Imma call bs.
banzay13
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So... US is #1 food exporter use as cheap as slavery labor force, sending almost half of food production to export (with high margin cost), US citizens have one of the cheapest food market in the west world, and poor farmers do not want to invest in modern mechanisation tools
Look like fair international foreign trade
Look like fair international foreign trade
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Here's your shrug.
Slaaaaavery.
Curious about your margin estimates.
Like, which commodity?
Cloud_Strife
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That's right, wage slavery is a thing that exists
banzay13
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I used that word for fun. Actually, working on a farm for little money isn't so bad when you're a student. Not when you're an adult.
A friends of mine went to England in the early ‘00s to pick strawberries. One liked it so much she went again and stayed there illegally. Eventually she found a way to get citizenship (money to the right people). Now there is both a husband ( an Englishman) and a child.....
Curious about your margin estimates. - well, i don't know how in US, but in Russia margin very low now, coz sell selling on foreign markets now problem, and domestic price cheap coz overproduction (wheat esp). Before - selling to foreign markets was quite margin.
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Weird how nothing has worked whilst the supply of incredibly cheap labour has persisted. I wonder why.
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It's not like what you're saying hasn't been tried, and failed, for decades now.
Deporting everyone would probably be more than the sum total of everyone who has been deported in US history.
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I remain skeptical about this really happening on the scale that it was threatened. I still think that there will be "mass" deportations, in a performative sense, with images of large raids and people being rounded up, restrained, put on display and jailed... but I'm convinced that it will take only a small number of such instances to satisfy the media and voters. Even putting aside all the other implications/consequences, deporting 10+ million people just seems logistically unrealistic.
This isn't really true.
There isn't one "farm product market". There's at the least 100s. Possibly 1000s. And there's a very great differential between many of them.
The American heartland is pretty much ideally suited to grains of all kinds. Only really Ukraine, parts of Russia, have it as good. But what really sets America apart on farming, and has from not that long after the founding of the nation, is that Americans are really, really, good at finding better ways of farming. Essentially the whole of the mechanization of farming in American invented. So when you say America exports a lot of food, a lot of it is because our skillz at grain farming combined with our natural advantages in land means that we can easily produce more grains than we can consume.
But different areas are better for different crops. The grains are highly mechanized, and we have been mechanizing many other types of farming as well. But many things simply don't mechanize well. At least not yet. Specifically, most fruits and vegetables remain far more labor intensive than grains are. Grain farmers don't need to add a million people to the harvest. Fruits do. Over time more and more labor is being replaced by mechanization. But it's going to be a long time further before it all is.
But the really labor intensive part remains the harvest. And without that harvest, the farmers fail. But that harvest is very hard on the workers. And so needs very hard workers. But there also isn't a lot of extra money there, so wages can't rise too much.
Mechanization has replaced labor on American farms far more than in any other place in the world. We invented it. And we keep inventing more.
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Are we standing up for landowners exploiting their laborers?
If the strawberry farmers need what are effectively serfs to stay in business, then they should not be in business.
If the strawberry farmers need what are effectively serfs to stay in business, then they should not be in business.
Zardnaar
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About a month ago I was chatting o a Filipino Farm worker here.
Package was $21 an hour, house with cheap rent ($240 usd/week), other bits snd pieces.
He was worried about being exploited but it looked decent. No salary for 40 hours a week but maybe longer (read 60 or 70 10/12 months).
Strawberry harvest suck. Low down yard to pick all day some like fruit trees are a lot easier.
Snowygerry
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We seem to manage it, don’t know exactly how, presumably legal seasonal labour from inside the EU.
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Scale is important. US agriculture of all sorts is huge compared to many places. Often what can be accomplished at a small scale is not possible at a large scale. Anybody know how many temp farmworkers the US needs? CA and AZ alone need quite a few.
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Distance too, when I go shopping I can typically choose between Dutch or Flemish strawberries, but small farmers often use these :
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Strawberry vending machines gain popularity in Belgium
Geerts Strawberries, a nursery in Verrebroek, Belgium, has launched three strawberry vending machines, according to a Fresh Plaza report. The vending machines are intended to increase access to the fruit when traditional markets may not be open or available. "You're…
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