DipNES VIII: Revenge of Bedbug Island
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Terrance888
Discord Reigns
Let me guess... Noob messed up his orders?
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
I see. He probably did it to avoid antagonizing certain people.
Unfortunately. He antagonized someone else. :/
Unfortunately. He antagonized someone else. :/
Actually, that's the strongest argument in favor of interpreting it as a possible intentional misorder. An intentional misorder is most often done for the benefit of the other players. If someone wants to convince two opposing groups that she is on both their sides, she can avoid making a move to a territory to appease the one side while making it seem like that non-move was a mistake to appease the other. I have used this device myself in games to considerable effect.
There would be no point in an obviously intentional misorder, because it deceives no one.
As far as the standard practices and etiquette of Diplomacy go, Iggy's action, to move no unit, was fully correct.
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
Alright, some views on 1901:
Spring:
England plays an opening described as "normally attempted when England is absolutely sure of taking the Channel". I like to imagine France rubbing his hands together and going "heh heh heh". Pretty anti-French opening.
France forces his way into Burgundy while moving for the Channel. This tells me he fears an Anglo-German alliance and is moving to hold the line.
Germany plays the standard German opening. Assured of two builds and not antagonizing anyone. Notably, Munich does not move on Burgundy, which brings French movements into question.
Austria's opening betrays much trust of Italy, and the move to Galicia tells me he's suspicious of Russia. Austria also secures Greece against any offense.
Russia's army in Moscow moves north, meaning an conflict with England is definitely on the table. Warsaw does not move to Galicia - Russia is leaving the German-speaking powers be while simultaneously moving against England and Turkey.
Italy: Rome's and Naples' moves are a classic start of a Lepanto. The move to Tyrolia puts him in a position to attack Trieste, Vienna, or Munich. This Italy plays aggressively.
Turkey goes full-out at the Balkans. He'd've been in a much better had the fleet move succeeded, but... The fleet move makes me think Turkey is unsure of Russia, but does not want to commit to an attack on Russia by moving to Armenia. Or possibly Constantinople was just occupied.
Fall:
England abandons his attempts for the Channel. His lone unit in a position to seize something opts to leave Norway to the Russians, and instead continue the anti-French theme by moving on Belgium. Note the German cooperation.
France, having guaranteed the security of his home centres for this year, takes a different tack. Brest secures the MAO, Burgundy moves to Belgium (presumably expecting a bounce, not having the other two powers cooperate). And Marseilles grabs Spain.
Germany proves France's worries of an Anglo-German alliance were not entirely unfounded. In other news, Kiel takes Holland and Denmark bounces the Russians out of Sweden. Nothing spectacular, but then, Germany in '01 rarely is. Unfortunately, he gained England a centre at the cost of losing a centre to Italy.
Austria could go for Warsaw, but cannily moves into Ukraine instead, now threatening three Russian centres. What's surprising is the other moves. Austria throws away his second build to support Turkey against Russia... and Italy against Turkey. Some major trusting going on here, but Austria now can't really grow except by stabbing someone.
Russia bounces in Sweden and the Black Sea (again). He also panics and retreats Ukraine to Warsaw. A botched order in the north completes the no-build scenario.
Italy continues aggressive play. He seizes Munich, and convoys an army to Greece, poised to attack Turkey (or perhaps stab his ally Austria, if he builds in Venice). Note that he chooses to go on the attack rther than secure his natural build in Tunis. I question the decision to seize Munich - the gain of one centre is offset by an extension of the border by rather more than one zone.
Turkey seems to have decided to attack Russia. Makes sense, what with the cooperation with Austria... but Austria's complicity with the Italian move to Greece calls the friendship into question. Still, two builds the first year is impressive for Turkey.
Winter:
England builds a fleet in London. This says anti-France is more likely than anti-Russia or a practically unthinkable stab of Germany.
France builds a fleet in Brest. Definite suspicion of England, if not outright hostility.
Germany builds a... fleet in Kiel? With an Italian army in Munich? The hell?
Austria having the choice of all his centres, chooses to build the army in Trieste. The only one Austria seemed entirely friendly with was Italy, but... now I wonder even of that.
Russia has contrived to have no builds.
Italy builds a fleet and an army, each in the natural location. The fleet says that he's either anti-French or anti-Turkish. The moves this year indicate anti-Turkish. The army could either be used to support the gain in Munich (as I'd think likely) or stab Austria (as the Austrian build may indicate is coming).
Turkey builds a pair of fleets. Tells me that Italy's seapower in the Mediterranean. will very soon be challenged.
State of Europe:
The Western triangle of England, France, and Germany is a bit muddled. Certainly England and France are antagonistic, so much so that England has forgone his share of Scandinavia to pursue it. Germany is rather pro-English, but his troubles with Italy are going to detract from that somewhat. And, despite his Italian troubles, he builds a fleet, which is almost exclusively anti-English.
Italy (besides the weird Munich bit) is firmly involved in the Eastern theatre. Russia moves against Turkey and panics when Austria moves against him. Turkey moves against Russia and builds to counter Italy. Italy is pretty decidedly anti-Turkish. Austria is... an enigma, supporting Turkey vs Russia and Italy vs Turkey, then building in an anti-Italy spot, and all while denying himself pretty much all avenues of expansion. Within a year, his goals will be far clearer. Or he'll be on the fast track home, in which case I'll eagerly await his after-action report.
Miscellaneous notes: France and Italy are on decidedly good terms, having pretty much entirely demilitarized their border. Russo-German relations are cool at best - that bounce in Sweden denied Russia one of his two potential builds. The German decision to bounce Sweden is generally indicative of Austro-German cooperation, but only if Russia had tried to move to Galicia, and that hadn't happened. Dunno what's happening with England and Russia, besides England not wanting to antagonize Russia.
tl;dr: England and France are pretty well committed to total war against each other. Germany might be an English ally, but Munich falling to Italy is probably his new priority. Russia's gonna be strong in the north. Italy is playing super-aggressively and will figure prominently in others' strategies and future analyses. The eastern triangle is a mess and hard to read, besides Russia's weakness. Will be watching intently.
Spring:
England plays an opening described as "normally attempted when England is absolutely sure of taking the Channel". I like to imagine France rubbing his hands together and going "heh heh heh". Pretty anti-French opening.
France forces his way into Burgundy while moving for the Channel. This tells me he fears an Anglo-German alliance and is moving to hold the line.
Germany plays the standard German opening. Assured of two builds and not antagonizing anyone. Notably, Munich does not move on Burgundy, which brings French movements into question.
Austria's opening betrays much trust of Italy, and the move to Galicia tells me he's suspicious of Russia. Austria also secures Greece against any offense.
Russia's army in Moscow moves north, meaning an conflict with England is definitely on the table. Warsaw does not move to Galicia - Russia is leaving the German-speaking powers be while simultaneously moving against England and Turkey.
Italy: Rome's and Naples' moves are a classic start of a Lepanto. The move to Tyrolia puts him in a position to attack Trieste, Vienna, or Munich. This Italy plays aggressively.
Turkey goes full-out at the Balkans. He'd've been in a much better had the fleet move succeeded, but... The fleet move makes me think Turkey is unsure of Russia, but does not want to commit to an attack on Russia by moving to Armenia. Or possibly Constantinople was just occupied.
Fall:
England abandons his attempts for the Channel. His lone unit in a position to seize something opts to leave Norway to the Russians, and instead continue the anti-French theme by moving on Belgium. Note the German cooperation.
France, having guaranteed the security of his home centres for this year, takes a different tack. Brest secures the MAO, Burgundy moves to Belgium (presumably expecting a bounce, not having the other two powers cooperate). And Marseilles grabs Spain.
Germany proves France's worries of an Anglo-German alliance were not entirely unfounded. In other news, Kiel takes Holland and Denmark bounces the Russians out of Sweden. Nothing spectacular, but then, Germany in '01 rarely is. Unfortunately, he gained England a centre at the cost of losing a centre to Italy.
Austria could go for Warsaw, but cannily moves into Ukraine instead, now threatening three Russian centres. What's surprising is the other moves. Austria throws away his second build to support Turkey against Russia... and Italy against Turkey. Some major trusting going on here, but Austria now can't really grow except by stabbing someone.
Russia bounces in Sweden and the Black Sea (again). He also panics and retreats Ukraine to Warsaw. A botched order in the north completes the no-build scenario.
Italy continues aggressive play. He seizes Munich, and convoys an army to Greece, poised to attack Turkey (or perhaps stab his ally Austria, if he builds in Venice). Note that he chooses to go on the attack rther than secure his natural build in Tunis. I question the decision to seize Munich - the gain of one centre is offset by an extension of the border by rather more than one zone.
Turkey seems to have decided to attack Russia. Makes sense, what with the cooperation with Austria... but Austria's complicity with the Italian move to Greece calls the friendship into question. Still, two builds the first year is impressive for Turkey.
Winter:
England builds a fleet in London. This says anti-France is more likely than anti-Russia or a practically unthinkable stab of Germany.
France builds a fleet in Brest. Definite suspicion of England, if not outright hostility.
Germany builds a... fleet in Kiel? With an Italian army in Munich? The hell?
Austria having the choice of all his centres, chooses to build the army in Trieste. The only one Austria seemed entirely friendly with was Italy, but... now I wonder even of that.
Russia has contrived to have no builds.
Italy builds a fleet and an army, each in the natural location. The fleet says that he's either anti-French or anti-Turkish. The moves this year indicate anti-Turkish. The army could either be used to support the gain in Munich (as I'd think likely) or stab Austria (as the Austrian build may indicate is coming).
Turkey builds a pair of fleets. Tells me that Italy's seapower in the Mediterranean. will very soon be challenged.
State of Europe:
The Western triangle of England, France, and Germany is a bit muddled. Certainly England and France are antagonistic, so much so that England has forgone his share of Scandinavia to pursue it. Germany is rather pro-English, but his troubles with Italy are going to detract from that somewhat. And, despite his Italian troubles, he builds a fleet, which is almost exclusively anti-English.
Italy (besides the weird Munich bit) is firmly involved in the Eastern theatre. Russia moves against Turkey and panics when Austria moves against him. Turkey moves against Russia and builds to counter Italy. Italy is pretty decidedly anti-Turkish. Austria is... an enigma, supporting Turkey vs Russia and Italy vs Turkey, then building in an anti-Italy spot, and all while denying himself pretty much all avenues of expansion. Within a year, his goals will be far clearer. Or he'll be on the fast track home, in which case I'll eagerly await his after-action report.
Miscellaneous notes: France and Italy are on decidedly good terms, having pretty much entirely demilitarized their border. Russo-German relations are cool at best - that bounce in Sweden denied Russia one of his two potential builds. The German decision to bounce Sweden is generally indicative of Austro-German cooperation, but only if Russia had tried to move to Galicia, and that hadn't happened. Dunno what's happening with England and Russia, besides England not wanting to antagonize Russia.
tl;dr: England and France are pretty well committed to total war against each other. Germany might be an English ally, but Munich falling to Italy is probably his new priority. Russia's gonna be strong in the north. Italy is playing super-aggressively and will figure prominently in others' strategies and future analyses. The eastern triangle is a mess and hard to read, besides Russia's weakness. Will be watching intently.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
I think I'm going to have to request a 24 hour extension.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
I need to stave off a mental breakdown from being lied to by everybody, all at once. 
In actuality, I'm waiting for several replies and I haven't gotten them yet.
In actuality, I'm waiting for several replies and I haven't gotten them yet.
Nintz
King of the Britons
How many orders do you have?
qoou
Emperor
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Short comments on fundamentals:
Ank -> Bla is played in, say, 85% of openings. Then ~10% Ank -> Bal, and ~5% Ank -> Con.
Actually, that turned out to be the only comment.
Comments on the game itself:
Ank -> Bla is played in, say, 85% of openings. Then ~10% Ank -> Bal, and ~5% Ank -> Con.
Actually, that turned out to be the only comment.
Comments on the game itself:
Heh.
Hah.
Nintz
King of the Britons
Everyone hates Italy.
EDIT: I suppose I'm 1 for 2 down here. Judged Austria right. Turkey wrong. And now I face a slow death.
Hang on, I made a mistake with movements. qoou sent two contradictory PMs, and I accidentally used some of the moves from his first PM. I should note that people can change their orders, so just because they send you their orders doesn't mean that they can't send a totally different PM afterwards.
EDIT: Fixed. Apologies for the confusion.
EDIT: Fixed. Apologies for the confusion.
Nintz
King of the Britons
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