Do we need to pledge of alliegence in the U.S? Should it be modified?

[Xanikk999]

We do not need it, its totally unneeded in this day and age. We dont need to proclaim our loyalty to our nation unless we are soldiers. And children in grade school are not soldiers.

Heres our very controversal pledge:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

 

[skadistic]

It should be returned back to its original form sans the added "under god" rubbish.

 

[Perfection]

It should be returned back to its original form sans the added "under god" rubbish.

Bingo bango (or scrapped altogether)

 

[Sidhe]

Well if foreigners views are welcome, it seems a little dated, no? Patriotism is fine, but you either love your country or you don't, and just affirming it isn't going to make a shred of difference either way. Just like saying the lords prayer over and over isn't going to make you believe more in God, if you don't.

I think your country has grown enough, without needing old fashioned insincere or sincere affirmations of loyalty.

 

[Masquerouge]

It should be returned back to its original form sans the added "under god" rubbish.

yes.
Either that or add "Commie-free" right after "under God".

 

[Evie]

I see no reason for commonly used pledges of allegiances. Having one that is touted out that new immigrants have to say once in their life to illustrate "Ok, I'm an American now", fine by me (though it should drop the under god) part.

Using it more often than that, particularly reading it in school, is jingoism.

 

[Azale]

Most kids (and adults for that matter) don't do it with any enthusiasm if they do it at all, so we might as well do away with it.

It hardly means anything to anyone anymore, it's more of a hassle (sadly) these days to most people.

 

[Elrohir]

yes.
Either that or add "Commie-free" right after "under God".

Why do we have to say that we're commie free? Why can't we just shoot all the commies, and then it will be understood that we don't have any commies?

 

[Maimonides]

This thread is VERY flawed. "Under G-d" was added to the pledge in the 20th century. It is not a part of the original Pledge of Allegiance. Therefore, voting to keep the pledge as it is means WITHOUT "under G-d."

 

[Atlas14]

I could care less, the pledge is about as meaningful to me as Brittany Spears flashing a corn dog.

 

[skadistic]

This thread is VERY flawed. "Under G-d" was added to the pledge in the 20th century. It is not a part of the original Pledge of Allegiance. Therefore, voting to keep the pledge as it is means WITHOUT "under G-d."

No 'under god' is in fact the legal form. Keeping it as is means keeping "under god". Reverting back would mean losing it.

Just so people know it was origanaly writen by a preacher type man who porpously left out religion because he wanted to include all peoples of this secular nation.

 

[mdwh]

I agre, somewhat misleading poll, for those who don't need the history: "make it more secular" should read "make it the way it originally was".

The "Under God" part got added in by people trying to make it religious.

 

[QuoVadisNation]

Do we need to? Most definitely not! But then again, we don't need a lotta other things. Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. When I was in high school (two-three years ago), the pledge meant nothing. I clearly remember students commenting on the irrational nationalist fervor of this one kid when he actually placed his hand over his chest. Overall, it's just a giant joke and the people who make a big deal out of it are just over-reacting...

 

[warpus]

Seems kinda fascist.

 

[QuoVadisNation]

Warpus, you're talking about a country where the citizen : American flag ratio is 3 to 1.

 

[Masquerouge]

Why do we have to say that we're commie free? Why can't we just shoot all the commies, and then it will be understood that we don't have any commies?

It would make for a great new verse to the National Anthem, though.

 

[Maimonides]

No 'under god' is in fact the legal form.

Uh, that's unconstitutional... Congress shall pass no laws regulating religion yadda yadda.

 

[Masquerouge]

Uh, that's unconstitutional... Congress shall pass no laws regulating religion yadda yadda.

Ah but Congress yadda yadda is trumped by the Red Scare

 

[warpus]

Warpus, you're talking about a country where the citizen : American flag ratio is 3 to 1.

The nazis had a lot of flags too.

I'm not saying your country is fascist Just that the pledge seems a little bit so.

 

[skadistic]

Uh, that's unconstitutional... Congress shall pass no laws regulating religion yadda yadda.

"In god we trust" is on the $$$

As long as its not a specific god then its ok with the god fearing people who want to add god to every little nook and cranny they can will despite the shmurgousborg of mono, poly and athiest that live here.