Dresden, Germany: Police quells Protests against Nazi Rally
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Shall we readdress this?
"Relativities" you say? Uhm...let's see...
Wandering bands of Nazis that roam the Republic executing racially "undesireable" citizens for a decade:
- Saxony: 1
- all 15 other states: 0
That's not a relativity. That's rather absolute, goddamnit!
And of course they are from Zwickau. When we had that conversation and you would have asked me "So the perps in all those Nazi crimes you claim the CDU lead agencies willfully or neglectibly ignore, where the heck are they?"
What would i have answered?
"Freiberg, Riesa, Mittweida, Plauen and of course Zwickau! It's all one big heap of brown dung glossed over by our dear 'conservatives'."
And of course the CDU is at fault. In more than one way actually.
They have promoted the mindset, the worldview. They recklessly sabotaged the relevant agencies to advance their fight against the (largely non-existant) violent extremist left. And they handed the ministry relevant for actually promoting and propagandising the constitutional order (especially among the youth) to a woman who has built her carreer on virtually nothing but making plenty of overtly racist statements to help her dear friend Koch achieve his ill-gotten electoral victories.
They are not a minor part of the problem: They are the freaking problem.
Roughly a third of CDU politicians, activists, supporters - and their voters of course - have nothing but contempt, neglect and mockery for our constitution.
But since they are part of a major party and - ideologically speaking - it's a long way from them to Merkel, they don't find themselves under supervision of the Verfassungsschutz. No, the people from The Left do, after all the latter are at the verge of bringing down the Republic...
Yeah, sure, what i wrote earlier was incomprehensible...
...in a state of denial.
Communisto
Condottiere
THAT, was the greatest thing that happened, ever.
Quackers
The Frog
It's amusing that it is always the "anti-fascists" who start the violence. 
aelf
Ashen One
The world's greatest democracy showed us the merits of preemptive strikes.
It's amusing that it is always the "anti-fascists" who start the violence.
It's amusing how hard one can fall on his face by not being informed on current events and/or media discovery.
We had neo-nazi's in Chicago a couple of decades ago. They peacefully presented their racist hate speech to the crowd and television cameras. The police there had to hold back the outraged anti-nazi crowd as well.
While society at large gradually evolves, primitives remain amoungst us, dragging us backwards and preventing progress through fear and lies.
While society at large gradually evolves, primitives remain amoungst us, dragging us backwards and preventing progress through fear and lies.
holy king
Deity
It's amusing that it is always the "anti-fascists" who start the violence.
that's nice and all, but what exactly are you responding to?
The original OP. Just an observation, not a response.
Quackers
The Frog
I'm not responding to anybody obviously.
It's just over the few last years whenever there is a far-right or percieved "far right" on the march the counter protest is usually the violent instigator. Which for some reason amuses me.
It's just over the few last years whenever there is a far-right or percieved "far right" on the march the counter protest is usually the violent instigator. Which for some reason amuses me.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
I find it amusing because being violently attacked is exactly what neo-Nazis want. It really makes for nifty propaganda for their side. These violent counter-protesters are playing right into it hook line and sinker.
And what exactly is it accomplishing? You're not killing them, you're obviously not changing their minds. I don't see the point. Personal gratification could be nice but (at least here in the US) going to prison with all those Aryan Brotherhood types wouldn't be worth it.
Communisto
Condottiere
There was a Nazi problem in Toronto in the '90s. Anti-racist groups and SHARP violently opposed them. We dont have large groups of nazis anymore. Thats the point. Also, it worked out pretty well in the Second World War.
But, as per what happened last time this thread was active, I am not advocating violence against anybody.
But, as per what happened last time this thread was active, I am not advocating violence against anybody.
holy king
Deity
so? the far right has a monopoly on violence now?
i dont see what exactly amuses you...
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
Weren't there temporary surges in neo-Nazism around the world in 90s? I know there was in the US but it didn't last long. Not because they were suppressed by vigilantes but because multiple lawsuits and clever lawyers bankrupted their organizations. I guess that's just uniquely American solution but it did work out pretty well here. Then when the KKK was running amok in the 1970s, it was a few FBI informants who did them in and not an all out Waco showdown.
Communisto
Condottiere
Im not talking about some wide spread trend in culture. Im talking about specific individuals that existed in communities in Toronto and were forced out through direct action. For better or worse, that's what happened and its my answer to your question.
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@metatron
Assuming you are spot on with your claims about the Saxon CDU, then this is something I have a profound desire to be educated about.
However, you mostly make allegations only.
What for instance is "Roughly a third of CDU politicians, activists, supporters - and their voters of course - have nothing but contempt, neglect and mockery for our constitution." exactly based on? It is a quit heavy claim.
This "wandering bands of nazis" isn't worth much unless it also comes out that there actually was some purposeful neglect of this case for them being Nazis. I am not as good informed on this case as I could, so feel free to disagree with me here. But I don't see it so far. If am not mistaken a warrant against said band was given out in Thuringia after they were found to posses some kind of explosives (though by the ordinary police, not by the constitution protection who directed the case back to the normal police at the time), but then they went into the underground. So off of the radar of the state forces, including the CDU.
If there is no such connection, I just see three maniacs motivated by far-right-ideology. Big deal. People can be nuts. What a surprise. Didn't see that one coming...
As to the constitution protection investigating the far left - this has been the nation-wide trend. A year or so ago I read a SPIEGEL-article portraying how the focus moved to the left. Which makes sense in so far as that the left made bigger efforts to challenge the state forces (attacks on police stations for instance).
However, for Saxony it would be a weird move nevertheless, as the far right undoubtedly has always been the bigger issue since reunification. But is that really so that the Saxon CDU neglected the far right for the sake of the far left? I would like a source for that, or at least an explanation why you think so.
Assuming you are spot on with your claims about the Saxon CDU, then this is something I have a profound desire to be educated about.
However, you mostly make allegations only.
What for instance is "Roughly a third of CDU politicians, activists, supporters - and their voters of course - have nothing but contempt, neglect and mockery for our constitution." exactly based on? It is a quit heavy claim.
This "wandering bands of nazis" isn't worth much unless it also comes out that there actually was some purposeful neglect of this case for them being Nazis. I am not as good informed on this case as I could, so feel free to disagree with me here. But I don't see it so far. If am not mistaken a warrant against said band was given out in Thuringia after they were found to posses some kind of explosives (though by the ordinary police, not by the constitution protection who directed the case back to the normal police at the time), but then they went into the underground. So off of the radar of the state forces, including the CDU.
If there is no such connection, I just see three maniacs motivated by far-right-ideology. Big deal. People can be nuts. What a surprise. Didn't see that one coming...
As to the constitution protection investigating the far left - this has been the nation-wide trend. A year or so ago I read a SPIEGEL-article portraying how the focus moved to the left. Which makes sense in so far as that the left made bigger efforts to challenge the state forces (attacks on police stations for instance).
However, for Saxony it would be a weird move nevertheless, as the far right undoubtedly has always been the bigger issue since reunification. But is that really so that the Saxon CDU neglected the far right for the sake of the far left? I would like a source for that, or at least an explanation why you think so.
And to that: Maybe you feel such a wording is necessary to make people aware of the far-right-attitudes found there. And I don't argue that they in deed are found there. But on the other hand - this is still BS in a literal sense. I don't know the exact dimensions of the far-right in those places, and I am sure neither do you. But I know that the far-right does not dominate those places by far. Bigotry in general is another thing, and maybe this can even be argued to be dominant in those places unless you move in the right circles (though I really don't know), but there is a big different between bigotry and "brown dung".
