Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[Narz]

The point is that I agree with what I think your overall sentiment is. I'm not buying that as an excuse.

People don't need excuses for their grievances or votes. You can't tell someone they don't get to feel a certain way, that will just radicalize them more.

The candidate of hate rallies his hateful crew in NYC.

Trump loyalists spew racist, vulgar attacks at Harris and Democrats at New York City rally​

Former President Donald Trump closed his Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday with an ominous 80-minute speech denouncing his political rivals, assailing immigrants and promising to invoke an 18th century law to pave the way for mass deportations.

But it was the opening acts of the New York City rally – a hodgepodge of donors, entertainers and MAGA politicians – who unleashed an eleventh-hour campaign furor that prompted angry rebukes from Democrats and some Republicans who worried the vengeful show would hurt their standing with moderate voters.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-election-10-27-24
Local Trump loyalists, who made up many of the speakers’ list ahead of the former president, took the opportunity to spew familiar grievances at some of Trump’s favorite targets. One failed Republican House candidate labeled Harris “the antichrist.”

He hardly stood out.

The rally began with Tony Hinchcliffe, a comedian and podcast host, assailing Puerto Rico – in the city that’s home to the largest Puerto Rican population on the US mainland. About 500,000 Puerto Ricans also live in battleground Pennsylvania, where Harris campaigned on Sunday. “There’s a lot going on, like, I don’t know if you know this but there’s literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now,” he said. “I think it’s called Puerto Rico.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/27/politics/trump-rally-madison-square-garden-vulgar-attacks/index.html

If popular vote actually mattered that wouldn't happen but New Yorkers voted don't matter.

 

[SemiLazyGamer]

If you are a 2D Mario fan, don't vote for Trump!

Spoiler :

This is a joke by the way. Still don't vote for Trump.

 

[Takhisis]

The 2003 romcom Love Actually captures some of that, with Billy Bob Thornton serving as an obnoxious, swaggering, Baby Bush themed American President to Hugh Grant's polite, reserved, Tony Blair inspired UK Prime Minister.

And there's also the cheap, sleazy loverboy image. A Trump before Trump.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Moderator Action: Back to actual election related news please.

 

[Canadian Bluebeer]

The important point to note about that is that there is no significant left media outlets in the US. There is nothing leftist in media that gets a fraction of the attention of the NY Post. And Fox is watched by 100million more people than are ever even aware of a left media outlet's existence.

??? CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC ... all leftist.
Fox? more center than right. (and moving left btw)
Newsmax: right, but very small.

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BTW, the US is a "Constitutional Republic", NOT a democracy.
Yes Virginia, there IS a difference, and a reason for it.

(8 days to popcorn time)

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That comedian was out of line, no arguement there.

As to Biden following Trumps plan to get out of the sandbox?
Having a hard time not using intemperate language, or hitting... but!

It wasn't Trump's plan that was followed. It was more of a Monty Python "runaway!" thing. (at best. at worst? lessee, treason comes to mind)
(and that's all I'm gonna say on that topic.)

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

??? CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC ... all leftist.
Fox? more center than right. (and moving left btw)
Newsmax: right, but very small.

You funny

 

[Birdjaguar]

I guess I could post a poll that is a week old and call it relevant, but I'd rather not.

NYT "With one week to go until the election, Kamala Harris’s lead over Donald Trump in the national polls is starting to get very slim. Overall, she leads by less than one percentage point, according to our polling average. It’s her smallest lead since mid-August. Even so, the state polls haven’t seemed to lurch toward Trump, even as the national polling has. The battleground states remain extraordinarily tight, with no candidate holding any material lead in the seven states likeliest to decide the presidency."

Election 2024 Polls: Harris vs. Trump

Mira las últimas encuestas electorales y los promedios para

www.nytimes.com

And here is a NewsMax article on PA

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-trump-kamala-harris-pennsylvania/2024/10/22/id/1184986/

 

[Voidwalkin]

It's always been within the margin of error in the swing states. Dems panic easily. It's always a fight, but Dems think it shouldn't be, especially with Trump in opposition, and the uncertainty as to why it is distresses them more than it probably should.

The campaign seems concerned that they spent big $, substantially more than Trump, but polls didn't move much. Shouldn't be surprising. This election is more about cultural movements, the macro, than micro, like what ads will resonate more.

 

[Sommerswerd]

People don't need excuses for their grievances or votes.

Correct. People can vote however they want and claim whatever grievances they want as their justification for doing so. What I am saying however, is that just because someone claims a particular grievance is their reason for voting a certain way does not mean that they are telling the truth, or that their claim is accurate.

People's reasons for voting a certain way are often complex, and often based on subconscious things that they may not even be fully aware of. So when I say I don't buy "someone criticized me on the internet so I'm voting/not voting a certain way" as an excuse, that is what I mean. Its just an excuse... a way of trying to blame someone else for doing what they already wanted/intended to do.

I'm even more skeptical when other people, rather than the actual voter themselves, try to concern troll me with the "when you criticize them you make them vote/not vote a certain way" as if that other person is trying to act as the spokesperson for these imaginary, hypothetical triggered voters and use that as a means to try and censor me.

You can't tell someone they don't get to feel a certain way, that will just radicalize them more.

This is an example of what I'm addressing above. Who is this hypothetical "them" and what is the "certain way" that I can't tell them to feel? Our whole economy/consumer society is based on the media very successfully telling people how they should feel, same for our election system. Who is the "someone", you're referencing here? Is it you? If not, can you see why I'm even less inclined to be persuaded by your hot take on this hypothetical voter and their hypothetical feelings?

 

[Narz]

People's reasons for voting a certain way are often complex, and often based on subconscious things that they may not even be fully aware of. So when I say I don't buy "someone criticized me on the internet so I'm voting/not voting a certain way" as an excuse, that is what I mean. Its just an excuse... a way of trying to blame someone else for doing what they already wanted/intended to do.

I'm even more skeptical when other people, rather than the actual voter themselves, try to concern troll me with the "when you criticize them you make them vote/not vote a certain way" as if that other person is trying to act as the spokesperson for these imaginary, hypothetical triggered voters and use that as a means to try and censor me.

This is an example of what I'm addressing above. Who is this hypothetical "them" and what is the "certain way" that I can't tell them to feel? Our whole economy/consumer society is based on the media very successfully telling people how they should feel, same for our election system. Who is the "someone", you're referencing here? Is it you? If not, can you see why I'm even less inclined to be persuaded by your hot take on this hypothetical voter and their hypothetical feelings?

I've seen people veer right based on many reasons (that you might think are daft as well as me). But I can see them as daft while still understanding the logic behind them.

I'm not talking about hypothetical voters but trends I've witnessed IRL and observing people/trends online.

I don't think it's a hot take, it's nothing new that I haven't been noticing over more than a decade.

People are sensitive lil creatures, if they feel shunned or shamed they often will react in the opposite direction (especially when someone powerful comes along and tells them it's ok to).

To put it in psychoanalytic terms. This country's Id is coming to the surface and we're trying to beat it with a stick with labels... (we all know the ones, we can even agree many of them indeed do apply) but its not working (maybe Harris will barely win but it shouldn't be close)

 

[SemiLazyGamer]

Two ballot boxes on both sides of the Washington/Oregon border in Vancouver, Washington and Portland, Oregon have been set on fire.

Fire suppression was able to save most of the ballots and the folks who had their ballots lost will be contacted by state authorities.

Devices used in ballot box arsons had 'Free Gaza' markings, sources say

Ballot boxes in Oregon and Washington were set on fire early Monday in what authorities believe are connected incidents, police said.

abcnews.go.com

 

[tjs282]

The 2003 romcom Love Actually captures some of that, with Billy Bob Thornton serving as an obnoxious, swaggering, Baby Bush themed American President to Hugh Grant's polite, reserved, Tony Blair inspired UK Prime Minister.

I read Thornton as more Clinton than Bush (which would make Grant more Major than Blair) -- but maybe that was just me...?

EDIT:
Oops sorry BirdJag, posted this from the previous page...

 

[Farm Boy]

The world doesn't give a crap.
Humanity will not survive. It won't perish because of Trump, but because Humanity is to short sighted to survive.

Every author has a last reader. Every species a last member. That's always been the hand dealt, but not looking at it much makes getting through any given day easier.

 

[Cutlass]

??? CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC ... all leftist.
Fox? more center than right. (and moving left btw)
Newsmax: right, but very small.

Those "leftist" media you call out all campaigned for Trump. And he never would have been elected had they been as critical of him as they were of Clinton.

 

[GenMarshall]

??? CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC ... all leftist.
Fox? more center than right. (and moving left btw)
Newsmax: right, but very small.

There goes my last fabric of hope for humanity.

 

[Remorseless1]

??? CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC ... all leftist.
Fox? more center than right. (and moving left btw)
Newsmax: right, but very small.

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BTW, the US is a "Constitutional Republic", NOT a democracy.
Yes Virginia, there IS a difference, and a reason for it.

(8 days to popcorn time)

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That comedian was out of line, no arguement there.

As to Biden following Trumps plan to get out of the sandbox?
Having a hard time not using intemperate language, or hitting... but!

It wasn't Trump's plan that was followed. It was more of a Monty Python "runaway!" thing. (at best. at worst? lessee, treason comes to mind)
(and that's all I'm gonna say on that topic.)

Fox centrist moving to the left?

Have you watched Fox? To fair, the moment they try to shift from Trump enablers, they lose audience share -- and advertising dollars -- to network pop-ups like Newsmax. MSNBC is remarkably leftist for a US network.

 

[Miniskirt]

Trump loyalists spew racist, vulgar attacks at Harris and Democrats at New York City rally

Trumpies are without exception rich, racist, or stupid, and often more than one of these.

 

[Fippy]

Trump is almost an 2:1 favorite by now..not looking good.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Amazing

 

[Kyriakos]

Trump is almost an 2:1 favorite by now..not looking good.

Which site?