Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

Who do you think will win in November?


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Oh come on, middle managers are the tip of the spear? Really? They aren't leading anything or overriding communal values, they're just responding to the social change that's happening and trying to make money off it. If they actually cared about pushing values farther left they'd do more than just make rainbow-colored merch in June.
Yes, really.

I realize that that might be a little hard to swallow if you don't like corporate America(I don't, myself), but their leaning as to what is/is not acceptable socially is gonna go. I'd agree it's based on business, and inclusion is usually good business. Dunno anybody who doesn't care about losing their job. Do know a whole lot who don't care about what scorn they receive.
 
Yes, really.

I realize that that might be a little hard to swallow if you don't like corporate America(I don't, myself), but their leaning as to what is/is not acceptable socially is gonna go. I'd agree it's based on business, and inclusion is usually good business. Dunno anybody who doesn't care about losing their job. Do know a whole lot who don't care about what scorn they receive.
That doesn't make them the tip of anything. It makes them the median, in aggregate to boot. The demographic is also therefore so wide as to be useless.
 
I really don't think that is accurate.
 
I really don't think that is accurate.
I feel like we're both on shaky ground if we evaluate whether what the other says is accurate or not, but I appreciate you chiming in.

Unless you meant the mean, maybe? I hate maths.

Oh, I jumped the gun. You might not be even replying to me. That's a mistake I make.
 
Everything will be fine.
Just spent almost the whole day arguing with government websites for services for next year. Figure things will still need doing after the 6th.

Let's hope we're bored.

I feel like we're both on shaky ground if we evaluate whether what the other says is accurate or not, but I appreciate you chiming in.

Unless you meant the mean, maybe? I hate maths.
Middle management often pushes things that people broadly hate. They're doing a job, middle management is the definition of tool in the pejorative sense. Spent almost 3 years in Human Resources back in the day, things were not race blind. Not even close. Nobody likes being fired for things that other people aren't. They remember, and it won't matter if it was fair in some grand sense for this little pocket to be unfair*. Same with recruitment and hiring. Same with retention. Oh, well, just one example. Worked at the bottom of a graduate level program for almost a decade and a half. By the time I left, there were no men left as students in the program. Not a one.

Who becomes corporate tools? Who become their friends? Social circle and accredited contacts are by far the most profitable thing people seem to pull out of high quality educations.

*risk management and liability aren't exactly virtues, but they'll masquerade as them
 
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I would have to be blind to not see Trump as potential danger.
However..Trumpists exist everywhere by now. It's actually scary when peoples in France, Germany etc talk about him like he's their cult leader (in lack of a better word..but sometimes it's really like that).
Oh no, he is a cult leader. Welcome to bananamerican-style caudillos. The religious quackery is right there up front and center.
I’m getting highly strung about this now. Please tell me that everything will be fine.
Everything will be fine.
 
Yup, I jumped the gun.
No, it's addressed at you.

But I'm reading your post in the light of void's, not akka's. If that helps.

The lived lives and their language here, not there. For whatever differences between thereare.
 
I think those count as internet wins.
 
In my experience, neither has much of a sense of humour.

I understand its just a joke for you, i don't appreciate you making light of our further descent in fascism, just remember that you aren't far behind, where we go you WILL follow and then all of a sudden when you and yours are affected, lacking humour will be the least of your concerns
 
Some people here are so far removed from the danger that they think it's normal to joke about what those in it have to go through, no dude no one of any minority group wants to think about the impending worsening of their lives

Begging people to please think of the consequences of their beliefs put into action and what it'd actually look like if it happened for someone other than themselves, i know it's difficult but i believe you can do this
 
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What keeps getting lost in the whole "immigrant" discussions is one tiny point.\
Legal vs illegal. Major difference.
Of course, the subjection of indigenous peoples, the stealing of their land, making war upon them and breaking treaties with them was perfectly legal when Europeans "legally" (according to whom?) migrated here. I mean they, Indians, were just savages. The racial hierarchy, at least in the European worldview, not really so in reality, during colonial times was as follows: civilized, barbarian and savage. I wonder who racially is at the top of that ladder? That's, European immigration to America, a good example of legal immigration, legal when it fits a certain narrative. I'd call it a slow-moving, ill-thought out genocide hiding under the mask of "settling" the land. The disturbing truth is this: many white people are absolutely resistant to sharing power with those that do not look like them. This has been true since 1492. It's a bit of a sickness and its a major factor in resistance to immigration.

Just to clarify, I am not an open borders proponent, I believe in measures to regulate immigration, just not mean spirited punitive ones.
 

U.S. Supreme Court says Pennsylvania can count contested provisional ballots​

Ruling rejecting Republican emergency appeal a victory for voting rights advocates

The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday rejected an emergency appeal from Republicans that could have led to thousands of provisional ballots not being counted in Pennsylvania, as the presidential campaigns vie in the final days before the election in the country's biggest battleground state.

The justices left in place a state Supreme Court ruling that election officials must count provisional ballots cast by voters whose mail-in ballots were rejected.

The ruling is a victory for voting rights advocates, who had sought to force counties — primarily Republican-controlled counties — to let voters cast a provisional ballot on Tuesday, Election Day, if their mail-in ballot was to be rejected for a garden-variety error.

While the Supreme Court action was a setback for Republicans, the party separately claimed victory in a decision by Pennsylvania's Supreme Court. That court rejected a last-ditch effort by voting rights advocates to ensure that mail-in ballots that lack an accurate, handwritten date on the exterior envelope will still count in this year's presidential election.

The rulings are the latest in four years of litigation over voting by mail in Pennsylvania, where every vote truly counts in presidential races. Republicans have sought in dozens of court cases to push the strictest possible interpretation for throwing out mail-in ballots, which are predominantly cast by Democrats.

Taken together, Friday's near-simultaneous rulings will ensure a heavy emphasis on helping thousands of people vote provisionally on Election Day if their mail-in ballot was rejected — and potentially more litigation.

As of Thursday, about 9,000 ballots out of more than 1.6 million returned have arrived at election offices around Pennsylvania lacking a secrecy envelope, a signature or a handwritten date, according to state records.

Key battleground state​

Pennsylvania is the biggest presidential election battleground this year, with 19 electoral votes, and is expected to play an outsized role in deciding the election between Republican nominee Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Kamala Harris.

It was decided by tens of thousands of votes in 2016, when Trump won it, and again in 2020, when the state was won by Democrat Joe Biden.

A voting rights lawyer in Pennsylvania who helped bring both cases said it is almost certain that another case over undated ballots will be back before the state Supreme Court within days after the presidential election if it is close.

"This is going to be raised again after the election, especially if it's a close election," Witold Walczak, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania, said in an interview.

In its unsigned, two-page order, the state's highest court put a lower court ruling on hold that would have required counties to count the ballots. The court said the case won't apply to the presidential election being decided next week, but it held out the possibility that it would still rule on the case at a later time.

The rulings came as voters had their last chance on Friday to apply for a mail-in ballot in a bellwether suburban Philadelphia county, while a county clear across the state gave voters who didn't receive their ballot in the mail another chance to get one.

Ruling on replacement ballots​

A judge in Erie County, in Pennsylvania's northwestern corner, ruled on Friday in a lawsuit brought by the Democratic Party that about 15,000 people who applied for a mail-in ballot, but didn't receive it, may go to the county elections office and get a replacement through Monday.

The deadline to apply for a mail-in ballot has passed in Pennsylvania. But the judge's ruling means that Erie County's elections office will be open every day through Monday for voters to go in, cancel the mail-in ballot they didn't receive in the mail and get another one over the counter.

In suburban Philadelphia's Bucks County, a court set a deadline of 5 p.m. on Friday for voters there to apply for and receive a mail-in ballot after a judge ordered a three-day extension in response to a Trump campaign lawsuit that accused the county of breaking the law by turning voters from election offices that had struggled to keep up with demand.

Lines outside the county's elections office in Doylestown, Pa., were long throughout the day — snaking down the sidewalk — with the process taking about two hours by Friday afternoon.

Nakesha McGuirk, 44, sized up the line and said: "I did not expect the line to be this long. But I'm going to stick it out."

McGuirk, a Harris supporter, faces a long work commute next week and worried about her ability to make it to the polls on Tuesday. "I figured that rather than run into the risk of not getting home in time to go and vote, that it would be better to just do it this way early," she said.

Patrick Lonieski, a Trump supporter, also found it more convenient with his work schedule to vote on Friday in a county he called "pivotal" to the outcome.

"I just want to make sure I get my ballot in and it's counted," said Lonieski, 62, who was joined by his 18-year-old son, who was voting for the first time.

The line steadily dwindled as the 5 p.m. deadline approached.

One last straggler broke into a run to make it by the deadline as election workers cheerfully counted down the seconds. "Let's go! Hurry up! You can do it!" a bystander yelled. People broke into applause as she walked through the door — just in time.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-supreme-court-provisional-ballots-1.7371831
 
If we were picking a kvetcher-in-Chief, the choice would be clear.
 
He's borrowed his basic delivery from a certain kind of comedian, the set-up for whose jokes is some daily annoyance.


I often think of Paul Reiser, the "tea" part at the end of this clip:


Sometimes Trump handles it as a joke, as in the clip we're discussing. A lot of times its one of his actual political grievances. He still uses the comedian-annoyed set-up patter.
 
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