Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

Who do you think will win in November?


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Five bucks?!?:confused: McDonalds is running $12 a meal pretty much everywhere nowadays. I don't see how they could get to $5. I just took the family on a car-trip to Tampa... about 1,260 miles and 22 hours of driving each way including stops... and every time we hit Mickey D's it was $12 per meal, regardless of the state... brutal.:shake: That part about McRib's limited nature being pinned to pork prices was something I just found out this year. Before I thought it was purely a marketing tactic.


I hope you bought a bigger car.... :o
 
The man is losing it fast: "At a rally Friday in Montana, Trump said the following: “Kamala Harris, you know, it’s interesting, nobody really knows her last name. If you ask people, ‘Do you know what her last name is?’ nobody has any idea what it is. Harris, it’s like Harris. I don’t know, how the hell did this happen?”"

Opinion​

Trump’s fantasy-based outbursts are getting out of hand, even for him​

His newest social media meltdown is flirting with delusion.

Former president Donald Trump’s ongoing meltdown over his changed electoral prospects is becoming genuinely bizarre. It is foolish to underestimate him, but this doesn’t come off as any kind of subtle gambit in a game of three-dimensional chess. It looks and sounds like angry, disoriented flailing that inflicts more self-harm than damage on his opponents.

Trump’s frustration is not without cause. Recent polls show that Vice President Kamala Harris has erased the lead Trump had over President Joe Biden, and the RealClear Politics,polling average — often more generous to Trump than some other aggregators — on Monday had Harris nosing into the lead. Perhaps more galling, Harris and her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, have been barnstorming the swing states and drawing the kind of huge, enthusiastic crowds that Trump boasted he alone could muster.
That might be the reason for Trump’s transparently false and really strange Truth Social post on Sunday that claimed “there was nobody there” at a rally Harris and Walz held last week at Detroit’s airport. In fact, as documented by news photographers and television crews, an estimated 15,000 supporters greeted and cheered the Democratic candidates. A crowd that size is hard to miss.


Right-wing conspiracy theorists had posted a photograph of one of Air Force Two’s shiny engines, claiming that a dim reflection showed there was no crowd at all when Harris and Walz arrived, and that the images of the event were created by artificial intelligence. This kind of paranoid, fantasy-based nonsense gets put out there all the time by unscrupulous provocateurs for whom lying is a business model. But it was unusual that Trump would expose himself to ridicule by endorsing a lie that lacked even the slightest whiff of plausibility.

That followed a post last week that laid out an unhinged predictive scenario: President Joe Biden, angry that his “presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN” by Harris, somehow “CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination.” I understand why Trump was happier when he was running against Biden, but friends and family really ought to tell him that those halcyon days are gone.
Other recent Trump posts have been more like the falsehoods and distortions we’re accustomed to. He maintained that he is “doing really well in the Presidential Race, leading in almost all of the REAL polls.” (Apparently, any poll that finds him not doing well — such as the New York Times surveys reporting that he now trails Harris in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania — are, by definition, not real.) He also posted that three debates with Harris are scheduled, though both campaigns have only agreed to one.

Away from social media, Trump’s public statements have become increasingly divorced from reality. And, yes, I know that’s saying a lot.

At a rally Friday in Montana, Trump said the following: “Kamala Harris, you know, it’s interesting, nobody really knows her last name. If you ask people, ‘Do you know what her last name is?’ nobody has any idea what it is. Harris, it’s like Harris. I don’t know, how the hell did this happen?”

Whoa. She gets her name from her father, Donald J. Harris, a retired Stanford University economics professor. Surely Trump knows that. Was he obliquely returning to his laughable contention that the vice president, whose mother was South Asian, is somehow not authentically Black — even though her Jamaican-born father is a Black man whose ancestors were enslaved Africans? Or is Trump really puzzling over some “mystery” that exists only within the confines of his overheated imagination?

Or, maybe, it’s that he sometimes forgets? This is clearly the case with a story he has been telling about Willie Brown, the former mayor of San Francisco and speaker of the California Assembly, whom Harris dated in the 1990s. In Trump’s telling, he and Brown once took a helicopter ride together and Brown told him unspecified “terrible things” about Harris. Trump says he remembers the encounter vividly because the chopper had mechanical problems and had to make a white-knuckles emergency landing.

The problem is that Brown says he never rode in a helicopter with Trump, period. And a different man — former California state senator Nate Holden — says it was he who once accompanied Trump on a chopper, bound for Atlantic City, that had to put down due to a malfunction. A former Trump aide who was also on that trip confirmed to Politico that Holden was aboard and Brown was not. Both men are African American; otherwise, they look nothing alike.
Trump has not yet budged from his version. I will just note that when someone becomes confused and agitated, it is a blessing to suggest it might be time for a nap.
 
I hope you bought a bigger car.... :o
LMAO :lol: That's funny for a bunch of reasons... I'll save the long version for the next lunch... which... we're due.

The short version is... yeah, I did... but the less short, version, is that I already had an SUV that my wife usually drives (Murican of course ;)), and that tiny little sporty thing you usually see me in has been replaced by its bigger sibling... a proper Murican gas guzzling sporty thing. We took the SUV to Tampa.
 
Not the first time I said stiff, either. Go back if you want, it was all about the glorious accomplishments of our menfolk.
Reminds me of this... one of my favourite lines in the movie... the first part not the second or third... although the second part is pretty funny too, the third too:

 
I always found weasels to be more objectionable. And primarily at issue here.
 
If I'm going to drop 10+ dollars, we're going to sit down and eat something that was just cooked rather than something that got dethawed squished out of a Panera-pouch.
I am so with you on this. On the cost / value proposition between cook at home / supermarket snacks / fast food / proper sit down food I never choose fast food unless there really is no choice.
 
Five bucks?!?:confused: McDonalds is running $12 a meal pretty much everywhere nowadays. I don't see how they could get to $5. I just took the family on a car-trip to Tampa... about 1,260 miles and 22 hours of driving each way including stops... and every time we hit Mickey D's it was $12 per meal, regardless of the state... brutal.:shake: That part about McRib's limited nature being pinned to pork prices was something I just found out this year. Before I thought it was purely a marketing tactic.
That's because you live in evil cities, so you get evil prices.
 
I don't think you've kept up with the times on that one. It's been a minute.

I hope the world has given you time in which you have found happiness.
 
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Trump said the following: “Kamala Harris, you know, it’s interesting, nobody really knows her last name. If you ask people, ‘Do you know what her last name is?’ nobody has any idea what it is. Harris, it’s like Harris. I don’t know, how the hell did this happen?”
He tries to do this. To plant the idea that there is something suspicious in your very name. He did it for months with "Jack Smith," like that was some kind alias, instead of just what the guy's name happened to be. I suspect it's a holdover from Obama, where he could say Barack Hussein Obama, and get people to think the "Hussein" makes him suspect.

Pretty rich coming from a guy whose family changed Drumpf to a term drawn from card-games.

Good luck turning "Harris" into something suspicious.
 
Trump is losing it mentally. I listened to some of his awful "interview" with Musk and he really sounded bad -- slurred his words, couldn't stay on topic, lapsed into outright fantasy more times than I could count.
 
I always found weasels to be more objectionable. And primarily at issue here.
I don't follow the connection with corn. Is it that the price being low makes other things cheaper, thus benefiting incumbents? I thought farm commodity prices dropping was bad news for farmers?

As for accomplishing major policy goals... it seems to me that would be the case either way, wouldn't it? At least on that issue, no matter who "wins", you end up with a lot of folks approving and a lot of folks disapproving. So... congrats (or compliments) all around I guess?

As an aside, weasels don't eat corn do they? I thought they were egg-stealers.
 
I don't think I've made the argument on CFC before, but I have made it on social media and IRL, but it's mostly two points, one vibes-based and one logic-based. Not really rising to the level of 'analysis' in either case. Anyway,

1) vibes, RFK is way more similar to Trump. There's vague conspiracy-pill overlap. RFK and Trump are also both horrible rich old sociopaths who treat women like doghorsehocky. There really isn't any vibes overlap with Democrats here. The last time the Democrats were vaguely conspiracy-pilled was like the 2008 cycle. Since then they've been resolute normies.

2) what is peeling leftish people away from the Dems in this cycle is Gaza, more than any other issue. RFK's position on Israel is plus israeli que les Israelis which means people unwilling to vote for Harris due to Gaza will look elsewhere, to Stein or West or one of the sectarian left parties like PSL.

I will say I think this more now that Harris is in the race instead of Biden; when it was Trump/Biden I still thought RFK was pulling more from Trump than from Biden, but my prediction now is that RFK pulls almost entirely from Trump (and from voters who would never vote for a D or R anyway).

RFK Jr. denied ballot access in New York after judge rules he used ‘sham’ address on petition​

A New York judge ruled Monday that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s ballot-access petition in the state is invalid, delivering the first major blow to the independent presidential candidate’s bid for nationwide ballot access.

New York Supreme Court Justice Christina Ryba accepted the arguments made by Democratic voters and supported by Clear Choice PAC, a pro-Kamala Harris group seeking to combat third party candidates, which claimed Kennedy violated state law by listing a New York address as his residence on the petition despite living in California.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/12/politics/rfk-jr-denied-ballot-access-in-new-york/index.html

This seems a limited in utility, at least in New York, since Harris is almost certain to win convincingly there, with or without RFK on the ballot. It also unnecessarily gives oxygen to arguments that Democrats are trying to suppress RFK's candidacy, being undemocratic, etc. I'm not following the strategy here. To your point @Lexicus , I think the best strategy seems to let RFK do his thing and hopefully take more votes away from Trump.
 
I don't follow the connection with corn. Is it that the price being low makes other things cheaper, thus benefiting incumbents? I thought farm commodity prices dropping was bad news for farmers?

As for accomplishing major policy goals... it seems to me that would be the case either way, wouldn't it? At least on that issue, no matter who "wins", you end up with a lot of folks approving and a lot of folks disapproving. So... congrats (or compliments) all around I guess?

As an aside, weasels don't eat corn do they? I thought they were egg-stealers.
Corn is the secondary issue(an not applicable to weasels, no). That's money, not humans. Humans really do shuck and devour everything, not because they're hungry but because it tastes good.
 
This seems a limited in utility, at least in New York, since Harris is almost certain to win convincingly there, with or without RFK on the ballot. It also unnecessarily gives oxygen to arguments that Democrats are trying to suppress RFK's candidacy, being undemocratic, etc. I'm not following the strategy here. To your point @Lexicus , I think the best strategy seems to let RFK do his thing and hopefully take more votes away from Trump.

I agree, I generally think that anything that makes it seem like the Democrats are trying to get other parties kicked off the ballot is bad optics.

Now that being said, RFK jr should also have done his paperwork correctly and it doesn't bother me that he's facing consequences for screwing it up.
 
Trump is losing it mentally. I listened to some of his awful "interview" with Musk and he really sounded bad -- slurred his words, couldn't stay on topic, lapsed into outright fantasy more times than I could count.
Assuming he has woken up to the commentary on the interview, it is going to drive him crazy. He cares so much about surface/presentation issues like this that for him to think that through the entire interview people were thinking his dentures were out of place will kill him.

On the RFK thing: the right thing is for judges to make the correct judicial call, not a strategic political one.
 
On the RFK thing: the right thing is for judges to make the correct judicial call, not a strategic political one.

Yeah but I think @Sommerswerd was referring to those who made the complaint in the first place, to wit:
the arguments made by Democratic voters and supported by Clear Choice PAC, a pro-Kamala Harris group seeking to combat third party candidates,
 
Oh, I see.

Right now the scuttlebutt is RFK draws more from Trump. (And this decision triggers lawsuits that can take RFK off the ballot in other states, by the way). I assumed his impact would slowly diminish, and it would eventually come down to a two-person race, in any case. Maybe back when the lawsuit was filed the wisdom was he would draw more from the Ds.

He's a nut-job.
 
Missouri doesn't sound like a very likely candidate to become legally pro-choice, but it's a promising move.
 
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