Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[Arakhor]

I saw it suggested that Vance was picked because he plays well to the MAGA base and of course that's seemingly all Trump cares about.

 

[Verbose]

So, why did Donald Trump select a neckbeard with the charisma of a potato as his VP nominee? Lowest rated VP nominee in decades.

Is it because JD Vance has been carried from job to job (where he didn't do much actual work according to his former co-workers) by benefactor and Billionaire Peter Thiel - and Trump wants Thiel's money for himself?

https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-least-liked-vp-nominee-decades-polls-1929470#:~:text=JD Vance is the first,1980, according to poll numbers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-venture-capitalist-colleagues-2024-7
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoni...p-between-trumps-vp-pick-and-the-billionaire/

His flipping from never-Trumper to sycophant had admirably demonstrated that he has no principles, and will do as instructed by the Donald, at least as long as he's in charge.

So no risk if a repeat of the Pence-debacle, where at the crucial moment the guy turned out to have an actual spine. Even if most of the rest of Pence's morals were twisted, they weren't twisted by Trump.

 

[EvaDK]

I saw it suggested that Vance was picked because he plays well to the MAGA base and of course that's seemingly all Trump cares about.

But Trump himself appeals to that exact segment, right?

Isn't the idea behind your pick as VP nominee, to attract a voter base that the presidential nominee doesn't appeal to? Shouldn't the VP nominee appeal to centrist and swing voters?

 

[Arakhor]

This is Trump we're talking about. He wants people without principles, who will do whatever he tells them, regardless of whether it's illegal or immoral.

In that respect, Vance seems like he'll be a fine choice for Trump, unlike Pence, who actually did the right thing at the legal time.

 

[Verbose]

But Trump himself appeals to that exact segment, right?

Isn't the idea behind your pick as VP nominee, to attract a voter base that the presidential nominee doesn't appeal to? Shouldn't the VP nominee appeal to centrist and swing voters?

That would be IF Trump played politics like a normal US politician. But he's like Berlusconi and other populists – his non-politicianness is part of the attraction. He really is like Berlusconi like that. The Italians who loved "il cavaliere" whatever he bunga-bungad together did so largely on the assumption that he was a businessman who would make "smart deals" for Italy. It's part of why the loyals of Orban in Hungary are loyal to him – they see him troll the EU, and seemingly play both Russia and China, and supposedly this is all good for Hungary.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So, why did Donald Trump select a neckbeard with the charisma of a potato as his VP nominee? Lowest rated VP nominee in decades.

Is it because JD Vance has been carried from job to job (where he didn't do much actual work according to his former co-workers) by benefactor and Billionaire Peter Thiel - and Trump wants Thiel's money for himself?

https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-least-liked-vp-nominee-decades-polls-1929470#:~:text=JD Vance is the first,1980, according to poll numbers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-venture-capitalist-colleagues-2024-7
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoni...p-between-trumps-vp-pick-and-the-billionaire/

Vance was the biggest suck up.

 

[uppi]

But Trump himself appeals to that exact segment, right?

Isn't the idea behind your pick as VP nominee, to attract a voter base that the presidential nominee doesn't appeal to? Shouldn't the VP nominee appeal to centrist and swing voters?

Well, yes, but then he would get a centrist, moderate VP, who might have morals. Can't have that.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Laura Loomer Cheers Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee’s Death in Racist Rant

Laura Loomer, a white nationalist and Donald Trump’s one-time favored pick for a campaign role, sparked outrage on social media by metaphorically dancing on a Black Congresswoman’s grave.Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), a progressive voice in Congress who fought for civil and women’s rights, died...

uk.news.yahoo.com

Stay classy MAGA.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"If we lose this one, it's going to be civil war"

 

[Arakhor]

George Lang (the idiot above) later issued a rather pathetic apology: ""Remarks I made earlier today at a rally in Middletown do not accurately reflect my views. I regret the divisive remarks I made in the excitement of the moment on stage."

 

[Kyriakos]

It's the second time a coup caused by Trump's actions blew up in his face


Is it legally possible to replace Vance? (he must have been chosen only due to the election deemed as won already vs Biden).

 

[amadeus]

Old article here about the (lack of) importance of VP picks: link to Politico.

I don’t think Vance or whoever Harris picks is ultimately going to be of consequence in November unless there is some big happening between now and then.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Historically I would've agreed VP picks are indeed inconsequential. But not for a while now.

Since JD Vance was such a suck-up pick who appeals to no one in the middle, Harris would be wise to choose a VP who is a popular Democratic politician and also from a swing state.

And that person is...Josh Shapiro.

You heard it here first.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Historically I would've agreed VP picks are indeed inconsequential. But not for a while now.

Since JD Vance was such a suck-up pick who appeals to no one in the middle, Harris would be wise to choose a VP who is a popular Democratic politician and also from a swing state.

And that person is...Josh Shapiro.

You heard it here first.

On a podcast this morning, a reporter said he asked some Republican wonks who they'd least like to see Harris name as her running-mate, and they said Shapiro.

 

[Kyriakos]

Wouldn't it be also another clear sign there's no interest in palestinians/muslims?

 

[Arakhor]

Would Shapiro need to step down as Governor of Pennsylvania, or would that only happen on 20th Jan next year if elected?

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

So you think her qualified to be the nominee? And qualified to serve as president should she be elected?

If so, then what the hell would "merit" have to do with anything? What is merit and who does have it?

All she has to do is merit the Presidency, in the eyes of voters, more than her rival does.

Which she clearly does.

(Nobody chooses a VP on a "whim," by the way.)

Merit also has to do with the integrity of the process.

BLM also not happy that Harris is the presumptive nominee without any public voting; calls for a snap primary:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-lives-matter-statement-on-kamala-harris-securing-enough-delegates-to-become-democratic-nominee/

Imagine our first Black woman president not having won some sort of public nomination process. The pundits would immediately label it as affirmative action or a DEI move, and any progress made by a President Harris would be on shaky foundations. If Kamala Harris is to be the nominee, it must be through a process that upholds democratic principles and public participation.

well, they're not wrong...

 

[JollyRoger]

The birthers are going after Kamela as not being a Natural Born Citizen because her parents weren't citizens when she has born. Money coming into my birther grifting set-up is starting to exceed the Sorobucks I make for my trolling.

 

[Farm Boy]

Even if most of the rest of Pence's morals were twisted

He still got the first protections, like at all, for gay people through the Indiana legislature and you need to start somewhere.

The thing everyone was always so pissed at him for was that he took preventative care to not be caught in situations where it was easy to become corrupt, or succumb to infidelity. A trait extremely sorely needed in our public officials. So they don't do things like pressure employees into blowjobs, or take bribes, or betray the Republic. But oh no, it was all "he's a male chauvinist." So stupid. So stupid.

 

[Samson]

The thing everyone was always so pissed at him for was that he took preventative care to not be caught in situations where it was easy to become corrupt, or succumb to infidelity. A trait extremely sorely needed in our public officials. So they don't do things like pressure employees into blowjobs, or take bribes, or betray the Republic. But oh no, it was all "he's a male chauvinist." So stupid. So stupid.

Most people can be in a room with people from the opposite sex without cheating on their partner. That fact he did not so trust himself says something about him.