She should do Fall concerts in NC and PA.
Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!
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Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Massive cheetas?
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
and sometimes there's just leopards eating faces
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
"Courts do", indeed they did.
And when they did, everyone moved on with their lives.
And when they did, everyone moved on with their lives.
Don't Investigate Trump's extortion of Ukraine or Impeach him for it, that's election interference, let the people decide in an election...
We don't accept the people's decision in the results of the election, let the Courts decide...
We don't accept the Courts' decision(s), we're staging an insurrection...
Don't Impeach Trump for the insurrection, let the Courts handle it
Don't bring Trump to Court to answer for his insurrection, that's election interference, let the people decide in an election...
We don't accept the people's decision in the results of the election, let the Courts decide...
We don't accept the Courts' decision(s), we're staging an insurrection...
Don't Impeach Trump for the insurrection, let the Courts handle it
Don't bring Trump to Court to answer for his insurrection, that's election interference, let the people decide in an election...
sophie
Break My Heart
welp I guess the honeymoon phase is over
Lexicus
Deity
Honestly there was really little reason other than wishful thinking to believe there would be any other outcome.
The most ominous part of it is the bit about Lebanon. I guess we can expect the Zionist butchers to start trying to annihilate the people of that country before the end of this year.
The most ominous part of it is the bit about Lebanon. I guess we can expect the Zionist butchers to start trying to annihilate the people of that country before the end of this year.
I readily admit that I had zero expectation that the Israel-Palestine policy was going to undergo any substantial changes, especially not publicly... and even if Harris wanted to make some small change in tone, as part of a campaign strategy... she's not the POTUS, Biden still is.
However, if you read the statement, there is a nuance that jumped out. It's subtle, but pretty blatant and obviously intentional. For the whole first page, there is no mention of Harris. All the credit for the policy is attributed to "President Biden". That's not a mistake or an oversight. The Harris campaign is subtly distancing from the policy. They even use "The Administration" to avoid mentioning Harris explicitly, while allowing the reader to either associate Harris or not, depending on what they want to see.
Its not until the next page, buried at the bottom, in a section specifically headlined to be about Oct 7th, do they mention Harris... and even then, they only do so in the very specific contexts of condemning the Oct 7th attack, stating a commitment to Israel having the right to defend itself and stating a belief in the value of human life Israeli and Palestinian... which is about as non-controversial as you can get. Again, this isn't an accident or oversight. I'm sure the Harris campaign was very specific about how/when she would be mentioned and what parts of the statement they wanted to quietly disassociate her from. The statement goes back after this to only referencing Biden, until again, buried at the bottom of the page there is a reference to Harris "opposing any unilateral steps by either side".
What do you think @Lexicus ? you already know how cynical I generally am, so I want to hear your thoughts.
However, if you read the statement, there is a nuance that jumped out. It's subtle, but pretty blatant and obviously intentional. For the whole first page, there is no mention of Harris. All the credit for the policy is attributed to "President Biden". That's not a mistake or an oversight. The Harris campaign is subtly distancing from the policy. They even use "The Administration" to avoid mentioning Harris explicitly, while allowing the reader to either associate Harris or not, depending on what they want to see.
Its not until the next page, buried at the bottom, in a section specifically headlined to be about Oct 7th, do they mention Harris... and even then, they only do so in the very specific contexts of condemning the Oct 7th attack, stating a commitment to Israel having the right to defend itself and stating a belief in the value of human life Israeli and Palestinian... which is about as non-controversial as you can get. Again, this isn't an accident or oversight. I'm sure the Harris campaign was very specific about how/when she would be mentioned and what parts of the statement they wanted to quietly disassociate her from. The statement goes back after this to only referencing Biden, until again, buried at the bottom of the page there is a reference to Harris "opposing any unilateral steps by either side".
What do you think @Lexicus ? you already know how cynical I generally am, so I want to hear your thoughts.
Probably not a smart move.
Taylor Swift has yet to endorse any presidential candidate this election cycle. But former President Donald Trump says he accepts the superstar’s non-existent endorsement.
Trump posted “I accept!” on his Truth Social account, along with a carousel of (Swift) images – at least some of which appear to be AI-generated. One of the AI-manipulated photos depicts Swift as Uncle Sam with the text, “Taylor wants you to vote for Donald Trump.” The other photos depict fans of Swift wearing “Swifties for Trump” T-shirts.
A representative for Swift did not immediately respond to CNN’s request for comment.
One of the posts that was shared by Trump is satire. A slew of fake, AI-generated photos of “Swifties for Trump” references the thwarted planned terrorist attack at Swift’s Vienna concerts earlier this month with a caption that says, “Swifties turning to Trump after ISIS foiled Taylor Swift concert.” (The original X account that first published the post wrote, “LOL @realDonaldTrump shared my post,” confirming that the post was, in fact, satire.)
Swift’s fans – known as Swifties – have gotten political this election cycle. Immediately after President Joe Biden stepped aside and endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris, a large group of Swift’s fans formed a community called “Swifties for Kamala,” which is not affiliated with the singer. The group, which has mobilized Swift fans to help elect Harris and other Democratic candidates down the ballot, has more than 60,000 followers on X.
At this time, an official “Swifties for Trump” group has not been formed, though the superstar does have conservative, pro-Trump fans who have expressed their support for the former president across their individual social media accounts. Trump’s campaign spokesman, Steven Cheung, told CNN in a statement, “Swifties for Trump is a massive movement that grows bigger every single day!”
In 2020, Swift endorsed Biden and Harris in their bid for the White House.
Speaking of her endorsement at the time, Swift told V magazine in October 2020, “The change we need most is to elect a president who recognizes that people of color deserve to feel safe and represented, that women deserve the right to choose what happens to their bodies, and that the LGBTQIA+ community deserves to be acknowledged and included.”
On the night of the vice presidential debate in 2020, Swift posted on social media, “Gonna be watching and supporting @KamalaHarris by yelling at the tv a lot.”
While Swift has not endorsed Harris in her presidential run this year, she has fueled fan speculation. After a recent show on the European leg of her “Eras” tour, Swifties were certain that the singer had left an Easter egg endorsement of Harris when a woman’s silhouette pictured onstage appeared to depict the vice president. But CNN debunked that theory, reporting that the silhouette in question was actually one of Swift’s background singers.
Swift, who was not political for the first decade of her career, has been vocally supportive of Democratic candidates and policies in recent years. She is an advocate of the LGBTQ community and has spoken frequently about women’s rights and reproductive health.
In her 2020 documentary, “Miss Americana,” Swift expressed regret for not speaking up about political causes sooner. “I need to be on the right side of history,” she said in an emotional scene with her father. In another scene, Swift told her publicist that she does not care if she faces backlash for coming out against Trump. “I don’t care. If I get bad press for saying, ‘Don’t put a homophobic racist in office,’ then I get bad press for that.”
Swift tweeted about her disdain for Trump in 2020, writing, “After stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism your entire presidency, you have the nerve to feign moral superiority before threatening violence? ‘When the looting starts the shooting starts’??? We will vote you out in November.”
A “Swifties for Kamala” spokesperson swiped back at Trump for posting AI photos, telling CNN that their group launched because their community “shares values” with Harris and her running mate, Tim Walz.
“We believe Harris-Walz will fight for our rights and the rights of our loved ones, and help make this country safer for everyone,” Carly Long, communications director of Swifties for Kamala, told CNN on Monday, adding that the group has raised more than $10,000 for the Harris-Walz campaign. “Our movement also began and gained significant momentum because, as Taylor Swift said back in 2020, Donald Trump is ‘a homophobic racist,’ and as a community, we do not and cannot support having a president like that. We do not represent every Swiftie, but believe there is a reason we don’t need AI to show our support for Harris.”
Despite his post, Trump seems to recognize that Swift does not actually endorse him. In the new book, “Apprentice in Wonderland,” Trump told author Ramin Setoodeh, “I think she’s beautiful — very beautiful! I find her very beautiful. I think she’s liberal. She probably doesn’t like Trump.”
After the book was released, Swifties on the left took to social media with a message for the former president: “Stay away from her.”
Trump posts fake AI images of Taylor Swift and Swifties, falsely suggesting he has the singer’s support
Taylor Swift has yet to endorse any presidential candidate this election cycle. But former President Donald Trump says he accepts the superstar’s non-existent endorsement.
Trump posted “I accept!” on his Truth Social account, along with a carousel of (Swift) images – at least some of which appear to be AI-generated. One of the AI-manipulated photos depicts Swift as Uncle Sam with the text, “Taylor wants you to vote for Donald Trump.” The other photos depict fans of Swift wearing “Swifties for Trump” T-shirts.
A representative for Swift did not immediately respond to CNN’s request for comment.
One of the posts that was shared by Trump is satire. A slew of fake, AI-generated photos of “Swifties for Trump” references the thwarted planned terrorist attack at Swift’s Vienna concerts earlier this month with a caption that says, “Swifties turning to Trump after ISIS foiled Taylor Swift concert.” (The original X account that first published the post wrote, “LOL @realDonaldTrump shared my post,” confirming that the post was, in fact, satire.)
Swift’s fans – known as Swifties – have gotten political this election cycle. Immediately after President Joe Biden stepped aside and endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris, a large group of Swift’s fans formed a community called “Swifties for Kamala,” which is not affiliated with the singer. The group, which has mobilized Swift fans to help elect Harris and other Democratic candidates down the ballot, has more than 60,000 followers on X.
At this time, an official “Swifties for Trump” group has not been formed, though the superstar does have conservative, pro-Trump fans who have expressed their support for the former president across their individual social media accounts. Trump’s campaign spokesman, Steven Cheung, told CNN in a statement, “Swifties for Trump is a massive movement that grows bigger every single day!”
In 2020, Swift endorsed Biden and Harris in their bid for the White House.
Speaking of her endorsement at the time, Swift told V magazine in October 2020, “The change we need most is to elect a president who recognizes that people of color deserve to feel safe and represented, that women deserve the right to choose what happens to their bodies, and that the LGBTQIA+ community deserves to be acknowledged and included.”
On the night of the vice presidential debate in 2020, Swift posted on social media, “Gonna be watching and supporting @KamalaHarris by yelling at the tv a lot.”
While Swift has not endorsed Harris in her presidential run this year, she has fueled fan speculation. After a recent show on the European leg of her “Eras” tour, Swifties were certain that the singer had left an Easter egg endorsement of Harris when a woman’s silhouette pictured onstage appeared to depict the vice president. But CNN debunked that theory, reporting that the silhouette in question was actually one of Swift’s background singers.
Swift, who was not political for the first decade of her career, has been vocally supportive of Democratic candidates and policies in recent years. She is an advocate of the LGBTQ community and has spoken frequently about women’s rights and reproductive health.
In her 2020 documentary, “Miss Americana,” Swift expressed regret for not speaking up about political causes sooner. “I need to be on the right side of history,” she said in an emotional scene with her father. In another scene, Swift told her publicist that she does not care if she faces backlash for coming out against Trump. “I don’t care. If I get bad press for saying, ‘Don’t put a homophobic racist in office,’ then I get bad press for that.”
Swift tweeted about her disdain for Trump in 2020, writing, “After stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism your entire presidency, you have the nerve to feign moral superiority before threatening violence? ‘When the looting starts the shooting starts’??? We will vote you out in November.”
A “Swifties for Kamala” spokesperson swiped back at Trump for posting AI photos, telling CNN that their group launched because their community “shares values” with Harris and her running mate, Tim Walz.
“We believe Harris-Walz will fight for our rights and the rights of our loved ones, and help make this country safer for everyone,” Carly Long, communications director of Swifties for Kamala, told CNN on Monday, adding that the group has raised more than $10,000 for the Harris-Walz campaign. “Our movement also began and gained significant momentum because, as Taylor Swift said back in 2020, Donald Trump is ‘a homophobic racist,’ and as a community, we do not and cannot support having a president like that. We do not represent every Swiftie, but believe there is a reason we don’t need AI to show our support for Harris.”
Despite his post, Trump seems to recognize that Swift does not actually endorse him. In the new book, “Apprentice in Wonderland,” Trump told author Ramin Setoodeh, “I think she’s beautiful — very beautiful! I find her very beautiful. I think she’s liberal. She probably doesn’t like Trump.”
After the book was released, Swifties on the left took to social media with a message for the former president: “Stay away from her.”
Lexicus
Deity
If they wanted to signal distance from Biden's policy...they could have done it differently, is my take.
I've never heard that. But it's generally unpopular. Free speech means you can boycott anything. But while antisemitism is common as dirt in the US, Muslims are generally hated more. So a lot of support for Israel is "the enemy of my enemy". A significant part of support for Israel is that the Jews are just a more familiar and comfortable "other" than Muslims are. There is also a not insignificant existential guilt over "we let the Holocaust happen". And then there are the Christian millenialists who believe that the state of Israel is necessary for the End of Days and Rapture.
So here's the thing: Israel is full on ethnic cleansing now. It's pure horror. But the Jews, not just in Israel, but in the US, are now in full on NEVER AGAIN!!! mode. The far right Israelis think that if they can complete the driving out of the remaining Palestinians, and weather the storm of doing so, then eventually things will settle into a new normal of people accepting the status quo. I don't think they're right about that, but whatever.
The thing which ties this to American politics and the election is that, despite what the far left is telling you, Biden did not start this, is not responsible for continuing this, and cannot stop this. And neither can Harris. So in election terms, coming out against Israel loses a lot more voters than saying nothing of substance.
Klaus Hergersheimer
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2. “Lebanese people deserve … to be free from Iran-backed Hezbollah”**Hezbollah is by far the most popular political group in Lebanon. This is setting up a regional war defense that hits Lebanon.
-a "popular political group" is putting it mildly, but I guess to this author that supersedes any ambitions of it as being an arm of Iran.
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She's wise to stay clear of it. To get sucked into this issue would be a poisonous quagmire no matter the position taken for her politically.
9/10 voters(maybe even 19/20), I estimate, don't rank her Gaza policy as particularly important, relative to other issues. The remaining 1/10 are passionate and divided, meaning a loss either way, but just as critically, speaking of it at all breathes life into a debate that would be better spent on issues that connect with the broader swathes of the electorate, and time is a limited resource. The opportunity cost is high, the rewards low, and potential losses high.
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Child's play, those numbers. Nearly nobody cares. They've got numbers to get up, not down.
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I don't think its illegal to boycott Israel, but there are state and local governments that make it illegal to contract out work to businesses that decide not to do business with Israel.
Like Texas deciding to blacklist Ben & Jerry's and parent company Unileaver because the former decided to stop selling ice cream in occupied territories a few years back.
North Carolina, Arizona, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, and Texas have also pulled public investment retirement funds from Ben & Jerry's over the same reason.
North Carolina Joining 6 Other States In 'Ben And Jerry's' Boycott
North Carolina most recent state to divest its public employee pension from Ben & Jerry’s over the ice cream company’s boycott of Israel.
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I agree. My cynical take is that I think what they did here was designed specifically to make it so folks like me looking closely, could point out exactly what I did... that Harris name was conspicuously and strategically missing from the statement in places, while simultaneously making it impossible to argue that Harris was opposed to the Biden administration's. At the same time folks looking less closely might miss Harris entirely. It all goes back to things we've discussed before, which I won't rehash right now.
EDIT: especially, since I just noticed, that we have a potential thread issue with the topic.
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