Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[Farm Boy]

That some red states are voting to put abortion rights in their constitutions is because of actual democracy in place, where the voters are voting to put those protections in place despite the best efforts of the Republican politicians in control.

There are no such mechanisms in place nationally for the people of America to vote for constitutional amendments or simple ballot initiatives or anything like that, and like I said, the Republican party really really would like to enact a total national abortion ban if they got the power to.

Yeah, except the disconnect of voters from themselves when there is respect for what is done. Which is hilarious. Because we sure don't when it's there. "Actual" means I like it!

The most fun fun thing about abortion is that it doesn't take a constitutional amendment at the federal level. It just takes a bill that codifies what Roe was, or a model off the French, which will take an effort like broad ranging core rights questions do. But let's call those bans and feverdream about the monsters next door. Because it was always about maximal freedom for profit and the late term killings.

But yes, Missouri is going to execute a man. We, as a nation, killed 24 people with capital punishment last year. At 1% of total abortions happening after the Roe/neurological line of sapience... we killed over 10,000 of those*. In for a penny in for a pound.

*at an increasing rate to contrast with capital punishment's decline.

 

[Voidwalkin]

I remember a conservative kicking up a ruckus some years ago, suggesting abortion should be a capital offense. I can't recall who by name.

It's the logical conclusion of the belief a fetus truly is a person. If this is so, they would be entitled to protection by the state, and a capital offense was consistent with existing law.

The anti-abortion crowd seldom takes that stance, though. The ruckus was about the fact that someone said it plainly. It's so seldom done it was noteworthy, to the extent it made an Atlantic article. That people then, 10 years ago approx, were horrified by that sound logic should have probably tipped Republicans to that their position is unpopular. The zeal fades when the logic is actually taken seriously. Always has.

 

[Takhisis]

All three of the appointees of Democratic presidents on the Supreme Court just voted to grant the stay of Missouri's execution of an innocent man, while the six appointed by Republican Presidents voted to deny it. All six. "Murder fringe" baby.

I expect a ruling on whether this constitutes hate speech against Republicans to be dropped on your head shortly.

 

[Lexicus]

But yes, Missouri is going to execute a man. We, as a nation, killed 24 people with capital punishment last year. At 1% of total abortions happening after the Roe/neurological line of sapience... we killed over 10,000 of those*. In for a penny in for a pound.

*at an increasing rate to contrast with capital punishment's decline.

Absolute nonsense to compare the two, morally. Like, demented ****. Don't wanna share a polity with someone who thinks saving a woman's life from a stillbirth is the same thing as the state executing an innocent man.

 

[Farm Boy]

It's not. But keep up that hateboner.

I would think it takes some effort, but maybe that just comes natural.

 

[Lexicus]

It's not. But keep up that hateboner.

I would think it takes some effort, but maybe that just comes natural.

Man, the way you accuse your political opponents of wanting to mass-kill babies for fun & profit and then immediately complain that they're being too mean to you is...really something. One of the wonders of the digital world.

 

[lymond]

Moderator Action: Back to discussing the election and not each other. -lymond

 

[Lexicus]

So just like with the Springfield Haitians, it's highly concerning that Kamala evidently could not even say a word about Khaliifa Williams.

 

[aelf]

That some red states are voting to put abortion rights in their constitutions is because of actual democracy in place, where the voters are voting to put those protections in place despite the best efforts of the Republican politicians in control.

Well, nobody accused cousin-loving scarecrows of having a brain to figure such things out.

 

[Sommerswerd]

So just like with the Springfield Haitians, it's highly concerning that Kamala evidently could not even say a word about Khaliifa Williams.

I think Harris did make a statement about Trump and Vance slandering the immigrants in Springfield. It was right after the debate, maybe a day or two after.

Khaliifa Williams execution is another matter. Sickening, even more so that innocent people get executed way too often, which is at all.

 

[Lexicus]

I think Harris did make a statement about Trump and Vance slandering the immigrants in Springfield. It was right after the debate, maybe a day or two after.

Khaliifa Williams execution is another matter. Sickening, even more so that innocent people get executed way too often, which is at all.

Happy to be wrong, Harris did condemn the Haitian stuff at her NABJ event, so that's good at least. Still would have liked to see the campaign trumpet that a bit more but oh well.

Relevant to the Williams case, the Democrats dropped death penalty abolition from their platform this year...I don't know what that's about. Executing innocent people has nothing to do with being tough on crime. Quite the opposite, it is the state itself committing crimes.

 

[Lexicus]

Two images. Coincidence? You decide

 

[danjuno]

Homie indirectly dissing grunge.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Homie indirectly dissing grunge.

and the golden era of Hip Hop

Two images. Coincidence? You decide
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I'm a young Gen-Xer... maybe 1-5 years too old to be considered a Millennial, I think. The top chart sorts me as Millennial by 3 years, while the bottom chart sorts me as Gen X by 3 years.

The generational definitions are pretty squishy, it depends greatly on what website you're looking at, so there's lots of folks like me who are borderline, in terms of what generation they fit into... and that can unsurprisingly manifest itself in attitude, politics, habits, values, religion, etc.

 

[Lexicus]

The second chart is interesting, at least imo...i would have figured the Boomers were the most lead-exposed generation, since the US began limiting TEL in gasoline in the 1970s. I don't get why there is such a pronounced increase in lead levels starting around age 50 in 2015 (corresponding to birth year 1965).

 

[Voidwalkin]

Two images. Coincidence? You decide
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Surprised the shift is that large, unsurprised there is a shift.

X went right during covid. Don't think the margin was as big before that.

 

[Bamspeedy]

The second chart is interesting, at least imo...i would have figured the Boomers were the most lead-exposed generation, since the US began limiting TEL in gasoline in the 1970s. I don't get why there is such a pronounced increase in lead levels starting around age 50 in 2015 (corresponding to birth year 1965).

Because Gen X were children when leaded gasoline use peaked, and as children were more vulnerable to the effects.

 

[Sommerswerd]

The second chart is interesting, at least imo...i would have figured the Boomers were the most lead-exposed generation, since the US began limiting TEL in gasoline in the 1970s. I don't get why there is such a pronounced increase in lead levels starting around age 50 in 2015 (corresponding to birth year 1965).

I thought so too at first, but thinking more about it, the Boomers probably had way less cars on the road overall when they were growing up, and probably spent a lot less time in/around cars in general than Gen X. So their exposure to lead from cars might have been much lower. Anecdotally, when I was very young, leaded gasoline was still a thing and the truck my Dad drove used leaded gasoline. I also think children are more susceptible to lead exposure.

Another thing that springs to mind is lead-painted toys. I'm guessing that Gen-X probably had much more exposure to lead-painted toys, particularly die-cast metal toys where the paint would frequently chip off over time. I don't know if Hasbro ever used lead paint on the Transformers, but the original toys were certainly die-cast metal and painted, as opposed to the cheap plastic that they are now.

One last thing, now that I'm thinking about it... All those houses that were painted on the interior using lead paint. For the Boomers, the paint would have been fresh and thus would have adhered well to the walls, windowsills, door frames, etc. But by the time Gen X kids came along, that same paint would be old, flaking, chipping, falling off. Lead paint has a sweet flavor that makes children, particularly very young children, like to chew on it. A common cause of toxic lead paint exposure among children is from them eating and/or playing with paint chips.

In any case, I found it noteworthy that support for Harris is actually stronger among Silents than Gex X according to the chart.

 

[Samson]

I thought so too at first, but thinking more about it, the Boomers probably had way less cars on the road overall when they were growing up, and probably spent a lot less time in/around cars in general than Gen X. So their exposure to lead from cars might have been much lower. Anecdotally, when I was very young, leaded gasoline was still a thing and the truck my Dad drove used leaded gasoline. I also think children are more susceptible to lead exposure.

I think this is what they put it on. From the paper that references:

 

[Kyriakos]

According to (CNN etc) some known media, the race is simply very close. Who is more likely to have a surge in the last days?
Though polls have been very often wrong in recent years.