You billionaires need to start paying your fair share
Excuse me? No, no. I need to look like I belong at the billionaires table
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Excuse me? No, no. I need to look like I belong at the billionaires table
Zardnaar
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Dragging it out at election time would br terrible. It will be forgotten in a week.
Classic douchebag behavior of, when you call them out for doing something awful, they insist you're making a big deal out of nothing and why are you still so upset about something that was almost four years ago, OMG, get over it all ready!
sophie
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This **** sucks so much ass, dude
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Why is that upsetting?
GenMarshall
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My guess is the fact that Liz Cheney and her father have hitched onboard to support Kamala Harris. Rick Cheney is understandable if anyone has been through the Bush Jr Administration (not to mention he was the vice president). The only thing I know about Liz is her outspoken criticism and opposition to Trump.
At this point, the Democratic Party can’t afford to devolve into purity spirals.
Zardnaar
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They're old school GoP who at least believe in the basics such as the republic and peaceful transfer of power.
At this point differences in policy doesn't really matter that's what elections are for.
I'm not sure objecting to being endorsed by the Cheneys is a "purity spiral".
Presumably you'd have no objections to every Communist and socialist organisation throwing in their support for a candidate? It wouldn't matter at all to you, right? It wouldn't change your optics of Harris' platform one bit?
Dick Cheney is welcome to vote for whoever he want to vote for and if he votes for the same candidate as me, cool, but there is no fudging way I'd ever want to associate with a neocon war pig scumbag like him, and Kamala tacking on the thanks for "what he has done for this country" thing is unnecessary and kinda disgraceful, even if she feels it's necessary to thank him for his support. For what Dick Cheney has done? Get us drawn into Iraq for no reason and being one of the driving forces behind the Republican Party's sharp turn to the right post 9/11? He's a good chunk of why we're currently in the mess we are with Trump!
Reminds me of Kissinger a few years ago. That didn't help either, as people hate those warhawks. The Cheneys, really? ^^
GenMarshall
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To give the devil his due, It's the only redeeming value that Dick Cheney has. If I were in Kamala's shoes and been opposed to Bush Jr's Misadventures in Iraq, I'd put me in a difficult and awkward spot.
I don't know, I'm just a dumb dirty centrist liberal who doesn't eschew civility politics.
Lexicus
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Dick Cheney was one of the key perpetrators of a crime that killed over one million people, a crime that his daughter fully supports to this day
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Can you explain why you think so? And not just what Dick did in the past? This is about now and beating Trump. Liz was one of the few repubs to defy the orange nightmare. The endorsements are huge for Harris’s campaign and it is in her best interest to acknowledge that publicly.
IMO the ONLY thing that matters right now is that Trump goes away.
Lexicus
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Liz Cheney is a pro-genocide, pro-torture, pro-deregulation maniac who supported Trump every step of his Presidency and only turned against him when he literally sent a lynch mob to kill her. The fact that she is in the same coalition as you should in fact be highly concerning. It is exactly this inability to focus on nothing but the next election that got us to the current situation in the first place. Every four years we are told we have to put up with more and more bullfeathers in order to win "the most important election of our lifetime" and defeat the evil GOP. Well, I even agree that the GOP is evil, the problem is the Democrats have only gotten more and more evil over rhe course of my lifetime, a process that seems to have accelerated in the Trump era.
The Democrats are currently doing all of the things with regard to Middle East policy that I would have said in 2020 made Trump too dangerous to be President: specifically, blundering their way into a war with Iran out of a total unwillingness to rein in the most extreme Israeli behaviors. If someone told me in 2022 that the Democrats were going to fully support Israel to the hilt as it annihilated the people of both Gaza and Lebanon, I'd have said they were being way too cynical.
If you don't care about the middle east, then a domestic policy indicator of what i'm talking about is the Democrats' position on crypto, which the Biden administration has rightly been hostile to. Well, in 2024 this happened:
All of these policy issues the Dems think they need to compromise on for whatever reason are not consequence-free. Embracing crypto means exposing more Americans to scams, for example. It's a thousand little things like this that destroy social trust, trust in institutions, and that paves the way for Trump to step in and prey on the resulting disillusionment.
I repeat for emphasis: the inability of Democrats to put the pieces together and focus on anything but the next election is why we got Trump coming down that damn escalator.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
The long term effort to reform the Democratic party begins with defeating Trump in November.
The long term effort to reform the Democratic party begins with defeating Trump in November.
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A decline in social trust is a consequence of a fracturing of community spurred by changes in communications technology. The end result is a fragmentation of beliefs and values. These changes will inevitably effect the political realm, of course, but it isn't the political realm that creates them.
I doubt politics even contributes much. We radically altered when, how, who, where and how frequently people talk to each other. Society stumbled into this unintentionally, but Humpty Dumpty can't be put back together again.
Trump was not possible in 1998, and not 2008, really, because the group of reference had not yet shrunk to the extent necessary to lose oneself in an echo chamber of birtherism. That changed as we got more wired.
In a past era, I was joking with a buddy who had family acting as senior McCain campaign staff at the state level about Fox News running the Republicans more than vice versa. He agreed. You could see it then, but it really ballooned. By 2016, it could be fairly said that the online, more organic groups formed through social media were more radicalizing than most of the wildest Murdoch content.
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Dick Cheney is not very well liked and for good reason, so even from an optics point of view, flaunting his endorsement doesn't really seem like a good idea.
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