Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[Ziggy Stardust]

Biden got muscled out, and that could only have happened if they threatened him with the 25th amendment - and only Kamala could use that.

Hi, I notice the only support for this claim is: trust me bro.

And here's the thing: I don't

Instead I offer a different possibility. And I put emphasis on that word for a reason. Because it's all I need.
Biden looked at the polls and figured, I'm not winning this. Seeing how even Trump could figure this out, I'm sure the couple of braincells Biden controls could as well.

Now here's the part where you support your claim: Biden got muscled out. And don't worry. I'm not expecting you to do so. Because you can't. I'm expecting you to dodge. Because you will.

And I know this because I do read your posts.

 

[Kyriakos]

It's a possibility. Is it a convincing one? No, since Biden very prominently had no wish to exit the race nor any belief he would lose. Some real incentive or threat was there to force him out. Cheery-hi

 

[Oerdin]

RFK Jr's speech was pretty darn good. I have problems with his take on Putin's war of aggression against Ukraine (and how he ignores that Putin never implemented a single article of either Minsk 1 or Minsk 2) but it was telling how both CNN and MSNBC cut away from the speech the second he started pointing out DNC corruption and lawfare to block democracy.

Well, worth watching the entire speech.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It's a possibility.

"Because it's all I need."

Is it a convincing one? No

Trust me bro.

No, since Biden very prominently had no wish to exit the race nor any belief he would lose. Some real incentive or threat was there to force him out.

You're repeating the sentiment, and think that is support.

Interesting.

You think because Biden didn't state in his campaign he was going to lose, he didn't believe he was going to lose. Because of course Biden was going to say in his campaign he expected to lose. Yeah, that makes so much sense.
You know so much about politics.

 

[Kyriakos]

"Because it's all I need."

Trust me bro.


You're repeating the sentiment, and think that is support.

Interesting.

You think because Biden didn't state in his campaign he was going to lose, he didn't believe he was going to lose. Because of course Biden was going to say in his campaign he expected to lose. Yeah, that makes so much sense.
You know so much about politics.

It's not politics, it's very common sense that no one pulls a massive tantrum if they are ok with doing what they asked them to.
If you wish to believe that Biden wanted to leave the campaign, you are free to do so. I am sure there are others who don't find it following from what we have seen, that he did.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If you wish to believe that Biden wanted to leave the campaign, you are free to do so.

No, I am raising it as a possibility. (I even emphasised the word, but I guess ... you don't read posts )

Here, I'll be a lad
"Instead I offer a different possibility. And I put emphasis on that word for a reason. Because it's all I need."

The possitive claim making without support is yours.

I'm just saying: you don't know that.

 

[Kyriakos]

You don't say. Do you "know" your own version to be true? Like I said, you may choose to think it is more likely, and of course I do not find it to be such.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

*Taps mike*

Hello? Is this thing on?

 

[Kyriakos]

Do I need to be Walken in Wayne's World?
Sure, I get that you are saying any statement can be a possibility and that people who treat their statements as certain are presenting a different type which comes with analogous burden of proof. But what you did was pull a possibility out of thin air and contrast it to one based on ample evidence, given Biden did everything to stay in this race. Just to bring us on the same page, Wayne - or maybe Garth?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Thin air: Biden was behind on polls and just had a debate disaster

ample evidence: trust me bro. Biden was forced out. I'm tellin' ya. Because during his campaign he was still saying he was going to win.
Can you imagine a candidate in a political campaign insisting he will win? That's ample evidence dude!

 

[Kyriakos]

Political party time, excellent

 

[Sommerswerd]

I wouldn't say she has to be supportive of Biden.

You might not say it, but you'd be wrong.

that could only have happened if they threatened him with the 25th amendment

That's utterly preposterous. You have no credible source whatsoever to support that ridiculous claim and you know it

Besides, Biden himself has very publicly (obv before he got replaced as the candidate) stated that Kamala is not fit to be potus etc.

Any source for that one?

 

[Kyriakos]

Any source for that one?

It was a misunderstanding, sadly It came from the infamous speech where Biden spoke of his vice president "Trump", and that said vice president was not the better candidate to defeat Trump.
Maybe Biden is actually from the future and deliberately phrased it as such to prevent it playing at anti-Kamala videos.

 

[Voidwalkin]

Not much interesting news politically today.

I had an odd thought. Shower thought as the light stopped pouring through the window here, as dusk falls. Harris is presently big on joy.

Will this become less well-received by November because of changing weather? Is that true even in the slightest? Is it possible?

Might 10k voters in Pennslyvania be like, ya know what, optimism is for fools, simply because the sky has been gray for a couple weeks, and most of the leaves are gone, and they know what's coming?

I... kinda think not, but I do wonder if it's not the real world equivalent of comet sighted, it's an omen, -1.stability.

 

[choxorn]

I would suggest the compounding growth of labor laws demanded by progressives themselves make unions less and less relevant as time goes on.
What else is there to do after OSHA, fundamentally?

A lot of things? Pay? Benefits? How many hours you work in a week?

Besides, if someone doesn't like their workplace, it's been far easier to just leave, in recent years...Not so much in past decades where only a few (if not one) industries provided a majority of jobs in any one town.

Yeah, now we just have an oligopoly of a few giant megacorps who all suck and you just have to hope one of them gives you a slightly less horsehockey job than all the others.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Will this become less well-received by November because of changing weather?

Joy is even more appealing in November.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

I would suggest the compounding growth of labor laws demanded by progressives themselves make unions less and less relevant as time goes on.
What else is there to do after OSHA, fundamentally?
Besides, if someone doesn't like their workplace, it's been far easier to just leave, in recent years...Not so much in past decades where only a few (if not one) industries provided a majority of jobs in any one town.

Unions serve a vital function in protecting the rights of the workers by acting as the communal force to campaign for more rights but also crucially to preserve existing ones.

The fight is not over the moment you win. If you believe that it is, than expect to loose all you have achieved the moment your guard is down.

Even if tomorrow a workers paradise (what ever the hell that means) were achieved, we would still need them to exist and be strong in order to maintain it. Because without strong unions there is nobody to mobilize the workers to resist capital colluding with government to roll all that back away.

 

[Angst]

I would suggest the compounding growth of labor laws demanded by progressives themselves make unions less and less relevant as time goes on.
What else is there to do after OSHA, fundamentally?
Besides, if someone doesn't like their workplace, it's been far easier to just leave, in recent years...Not so much in past decades where only a few (if not one) industries provided a majority of jobs in any one town.

- first off, not implying a superior model or generalizing a situation, but food for thought. in denmark where i'm from, there's the situation where we have no minimum wage, rather we have strong unions that negotiate with most industries for an appx de facto minimum wages that makes poverty really difficult. businesses that can avoid unions do, still attract workers, and severely underpay workers with a side dish of horrid conditions. denmark is a unicorn here as to its way of doing things, but point is, well, second off, answering your question wholesale in a list:
- the same generally holds true for different sectors in countries with weaker unions, only much more pronounced. if you work in a sector without the ability to collectively negotiate, chances are you're poverty wagin'
- even sectors that have unions as a legally required option, when unions are weak, businesses will fight tooth and nail to keep unions out, circumventing laws, including spending handsomely to try and cull unions as they are being formed. you may consider why we have a system where businesses find it a reasonable expenditure to just funnel money into stopping unions if they don't have a meaningful function
- i have no clue what kind of sector you're thinking about where any individual has the power and resources to just choose another job willy nilly. what income bracket are you talking about, and how in the world would this be relevant for the kind of workers that are protected by stuff like osha
- you severely overestimate social mobility in those small towns, including the still limited work options in such towns
- even in cities, work you depend on to survive - not general you, personal you - is done by people with little resources to go anywhere else

 

[Sommerswerd]

Not much interesting news politically today.

I had an odd thought. Shower thought as the light stopped pouring through the window here, as dusk falls. Harris is presently big on joy.

Will this become less well-received by November because of changing weather? Is that true even in the slightest? Is it possible?

Might 10k voters in Pennslyvania be like, ya know what, optimism is for fools, simply because the sky has been gray for a couple weeks, and most of the leaves are gone, and they know what's coming?

I... kinda think not, but I do wonder if it's not the real world equivalent of comet sighted, it's an omen, -1.stability.

Its still nice weather in the Northeast in November nowadays, because of climate change. When I was a kid the weather in Pennsylvania was miserable in fall. These days the weather in the Northeast stays pretty nice until late December and sometimes into January.

 

[Voidwalkin]

Its still nice weather in the Northeast in November nowadays, because of climate change. When I was a kid the weather in Pennsylvania was miserable in fall. These days the weather in the Northeast stays pretty nice until late December and sometimes into January.

I've noticed in Ohio that leaves seem more present on Halloween than I remember as a kid.

The last of them were falling then. I estimate now about 35% remain till mid November. Decaying on the branch, but still up there.

It's still fall onset, but it's not like it was. We actually had brief snow on Halloween last year, but then it didn't snow at any point the whole winter, really. Much less snow coverage on average. Used to be at least 20 days. Now, some years, it's two, and even then, gone by 2pm. Feels a bit like Virginia.