Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[Birdjaguar]

Judge delays Trump’s sentencing until after the election​

Former President Donald Trump will not be sentenced in his New York criminal case until after the 2024 election, Judge Juan Merchan announced on Friday.

Merchan wrote in a new letter that he would sentence Trump on November 26 – if necessary – in response to a request from Trump’s lawyers to push back the sentencing. Merchan noted the upcoming presidential election in his decision to delay sentencing, saying that part of his reason for doing so was to avoid the appearance that the sentencing was intended to influence the November election.

“Adjourning decision on the motion and sentencing, if such is required, should dispel any suggestion that the Court will have issued any decision or imposed sentence either to give an advantage to, or to create a disadvantage for, any political party and or any candidate for any office,” Merchan wrote.

In addition to pushing back the sentencing until November 26, Merchan wrote that he would decide on Trump’s motion to vacate the verdict because of the Supreme Court’s immunity decision on November 12, which is also after the election.

 

[Core Imposter]

Judge delays Trump’s sentencing until after the election​

Former President Donald Trump will not be sentenced in his New York criminal case until after the 2024 election, Judge Juan Merchan announced on Friday.

Merchan wrote in a new letter that he would sentence Trump on November 26 – if necessary – in response to a request from Trump’s lawyers to push back the sentencing. Merchan noted the upcoming presidential election in his decision to delay sentencing, saying that part of his reason for doing so was to avoid the appearance that the sentencing was intended to influence the November election.

“Adjourning decision on the motion and sentencing, if such is required, should dispel any suggestion that the Court will have issued any decision or imposed sentence either to give an advantage to, or to create a disadvantage for, any political party and or any candidate for any office,” Merchan wrote.

In addition to pushing back the sentencing until November 26, Merchan wrote that he would decide on Trump’s motion to vacate the verdict because of the Supreme Court’s immunity decision on November 12, which is also after the election.

BJ, do you think Merchan would have done this if Trump's standing in the polls had not declined?

 

[JollyRoger]

Though there is something to be said for treating Trump like the criminal he is and keeping him on a normal sentencing schedule, it is prudent to set sentencing for after the election. If I were the judge, I would have initially set it for one week after the election once the convictions came down.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I have no idea why a parent would allow that. There is just no upside. Can you imagine?

Woooosh! Went the sound...

 

[Core Imposter]

eod-early onset dementia, a burden to share
has anybody else noticed the civ iv AI is getting tougher?
can also share that if you drop a piece of meat on the floor it's not a good idea to spray it with Lysol disinfectant
even if it is Trump approved

edit:

In 2019, the Democrat presidential nominee had told a CNN town hall meeting: “We do need to ban the plastic straws.” But her campaign has now said she has changed her mind and “doesn’t support banning plastic straws”.

MSN

ye old flip, clearly disqualifying

 

[aelf]

If the Democrats do win it would likely be because so many liberals have moved into the battleground states because Democratic policies have made their former states unaffordable, unsafe unlivable and incompatible for mid-size and small businesses. Ironic.

We are getting a ton of that here.

This is the biggest cope ever.

"If we lose, it's because YOUR policies suck!"

 

[SemiLazyGamer]

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If the Democrats do win it would likely be because so many liberals have moved into the battleground states because Democratic policies have made their former states unaffordable, unsafe unlivable and incompatible for mid-size and small businesses. Ironic.

We are getting a ton of that here.

Despite the meme "Don't California Our Texas", most of the folks moving to Texas are more conservative.

https://www.texaspolicy.com/new-poll-finds-all-those-people-moving-to-texas-arent-going-to-be-voting-for-democrats/

In 2013, the Texas Tribune and UT Austin conducted a poll surveying the political orientation of California expats. The California arrivals were 57 percent conservative compared to 27 percent liberal. “OK,” one might expect Texans to respond skeptically, “But what about the others?”

In a 2018 exit poll in the hard-fought U.S. Senate race between Sen. Ted Cruz (who had moved to Texas) and then-Rep. Beto O’Rourke (a Texas native), natives preferred O’Rourke by plus-3 points whereas movers favored Cruz by plus 15. Cruz won the race by 2.6 percent, meaning that if it were up to people who were Texans by birth, Cruz would have lost reelection.

When looking at where the movers to Texas came from, patterns emerge. Movers from other states were about 1 percent more likely to have voted for Trump than were natives, while movers from overseas favored Biden by 9 percent over natives.


Among domestic migrants to Texas, Trump was most heavily favored by arrivals from the Mountain West, where Trump enjoyed a plus 13-point margin over the support of native Texans followed by the four-state region of Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Tennessee with a plus-8 advantage. Counterintuitively — at least among Texans with an opinion — the area with the third-highest support for Trump among movers was California, where movers were 5 percent more likely to have supported Trump than were natives.


The region that sent the greatest share of Biden supporters was the South Atlantic Seaboard region, where movers favored Biden over Trump by 9 points more than did natives — the same margin as Biden was favored among voters who were born in another country.

 

[Birdjaguar]

BJ, do you think Merchan would have done this if Trump's standing in the polls had not declined?

No, I think he did it because any fair sentence would set off a firestorm. The judge was in an impossible position. Polls are not the issue. His delay looks political (pro Trump) but any sentence, jail or no jail, will also look political. I agree with @JollyRoger that sooner after the election would be better. My hope was for a 1 year jail sentence in Rikers beginning immediately.

I have no idea why a parent would allow that. There is just no upside. Can you imagine?

Poor Barron. But the upside for him is that he gets to live with mommy for 4 more years.

 

[Core Imposter]

Despite the meme "Don't California Our Texas", most of the folks moving to Texas are more conservative.

https://www.texaspolicy.com/new-poll-finds-all-those-people-moving-to-texas-arent-going-to-be-voting-for-democrats/

Interesting in that it doesn't talk about which side the illegal immigrants are voting for.

No, I think he did it because any fair sentence would set off a firestorm. The judge was in an impossible position. Polls are not the issue. His delay looks political (pro Trump) but any sentence, jail or no jail, will also look political. I agree with @JollyRoger that sooner after the election would be better. My hope was for a 1 year jail sentence in Rikers beginning immediately.

So, you think that if Trump loses, they will dogpile him in all these cases or do you think they will let up on the gas? I think if he loses, they might let up thinking it will benefit them politically. Of course, it is quite certain that all of this has been political, so they may just do enough to keep pretending it's not while keeping the plausible deniability intact.

This should enter into the debate and could cause some trouble.

A 26-year-old American woman has been shot dead in the occupied West Bank during a protest on Friday, where Israeli forces opened fire.

US-Turkish protester killed in West Bank as Israeli forces open fire

The IDF says it is investigating after Aysenur Ezgi Eygi was shot at a protest in Beita.

www.bbc.com

 

[Core Imposter]

This is the biggest cope ever.

"If we lose, it's because YOUR policies suck!"

Well, they do suck. But the force is strong on the indoctrination front. Your side is better at frying brains than the good guys are.
Moderator Action: Warned for trolling. The_J

 

[JollyRoger]

So, you think that if Trump loses, they will dogpile him in all these cases or do you think they will let up on the gas? I think if he loses, they might let up thinking it will benefit them politically. Of course, it is quite certain that all of this has been political, so they may just do enough to keep pretending it's not while keeping the plausible deniability intact.

I think the charges were brought in good faith by the prosecutors and see no reason why they should let up because Trump is confirmed a loser. He still is a habitual lawbreaker. To me, the Florida case is the one he should really be nailed on.

 

[Core Imposter]

And this may be good news for Trump:

Former 2024 Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. reportedly won his appeals to be removed from the ballots of North Carolina and Michigan on Friday.

MSN

In fact that should definitely add some votes.

 

[Gori the Grey]

“Adjourning decision on the motion and sentencing, if such is required, should dispel any suggestion that the Court will have issued any decision or imposed sentence either to give an advantage to, or to create a disadvantage for, any political party and or any candidate for any office,” Merchan wrote.

Delaying sentencing is advantageous to one of the candidates.

 

[Birdjaguar]

So, you think that if Trump loses, they will dogpile him in all these cases or do you think they will let up on the gas? I think if he loses, they might let up thinking it will benefit them politically. Of course, it is quite certain that all of this has been political, so they may just do enough to keep pretending it's not while keeping the plausible deniability intact.

Trump has spent 2 years delaying his legal issues in hopes that he can dismiss them when he is re-elected. If he loses in November, the cases will all likely proceed and the "dogpiling" effect will be caused by his no longer having the juice to delay them further. Trump created this scenario. For him it is an all or nothing, win-lose situation regarding the federal cases. If he wins, he will make them all go away. If he loses, they all will roll ahead to his demise.

Have you noticed that the GOP no longer cares about Hunter Biden? With Joe out of the race Hunter is now irrelevant. Smells very political. If Trump loses, I expect all his cases to keep moving ahead until juries decide he is guilty or innocent .

 

[Voidwalkin]

For him it is an all or nothing, win-lose situation regarding the federal cases. If he wins, he will make them all go away. If he loses, they all will roll ahead to his demise.

Harris' margin of victory in both EC and PV will
effect sentencing. It's already true, today, in NY state that only the perception of Trump's power gets the judges generosity. He has no actual power.

At nearly every point, the people in positions of power have maintained a double standard for Trump. His movement would really need to show it has little popular support for the "defenders of the law" to actually act. Been a pattern past 8 years.

 

[Core Imposter]

Delaying sentencing is advantageous to one of the candidates.

It is unclear which.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It is unclear which.

It is very clear: Trump gets a temporary win in that a tough sentence (jail time) would not help his campaign. How could this delay help Harris?

 

[Cutlass]

Interesting in that it doesn't talk about which side the illegal immigrants are voting for.

They aren't voting for anyone. Russia just says they do to herd the sheeple in the right directions.

 

[Zardnaar]

So Trump can win carrying Pennsylvania and Georgia assuming he retain the other states?

He's gone burger if he doesn't win Pennsylvania and it's a lot harder for Harris if she doesn't win.

 

[Angst]

Interesting in that it doesn't talk about which side the illegal immigrants are voting for.

illegal immigrants are banned from voting by federal law. new york allows noncitizens, i believe. texas? nope.