Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

Who do you think will win in November?


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The Union committed actual war crimes against the Confederates at times. What happened to Roswell just isn't one of them.
I have no trust you'd say this if your sympathies were otherwise. Some could. I don't think you could, and I don't think I could be convinced otherwise.

I think that stretches back to statements made regarding Harris' qualifications.. Basically, I think you've always believed any candidate who doesn't shift US Israeli policy so odious their morals are disqualification, which she was never likely to do, yet argued farcically that I believe her an unqualified DEI candidate, while in actual reality, I've probably always believed her more qualified than you have, even if I questioned her competency, an opinion she's actually shifted.

Only one of us will actually be voting for her, of course, something probably always true and unchanged the whole while.
Core Imposter's posts exist in the context of all in which they live and all that came before them.
In all candor, parodies conservatives make of liberals basically all revolve around doing exactly what you did.

Realistically, you'd probably have to wait about 3 days to have a comment that would authentically evidence your point without any need for underhandedness, too.
Oh my god
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I'm just stunned you made it so quickly and so inaccurately.

I'm OK with that. I have pretty thick skin. But this sorta thing is a major factor in the Trump phenomenon. I have no doubt you've turned more neutrals into Republicans than Dems, on the whole. I'm sure you attribute that to the fundamental evil of the American polity and culture, but it's really just because you can't contain an eagerness to basically act behave as an off-brand, less impressive Howard Zinn.
 
I have no trust you'd say this if your sympathies were otherwise.

Likewise, I don't believe you would be referring to Roswell as a self-evident war crime if you weren't a bit of a Lost Causer.

I'm just stunned you made it so quickly and so inaccurately.

It obviously isn't inaccurate. What I did was overstate the case slightly for comedic effect, but you clearly don't understand the subtext of your own statements. Bringing up the "Angeln peninsula" to explain the 19th century free soil movement in the US (in the context of a, frankly, stupid argument about Lincoln actually being conservative) is really really insane rassenkunde. It puts you in the corner with the Know-Nothings who believed the survival of the American republic depended on limiting immigration to avoid diluting the freedom-loving culture of the anglo-saxon yeoman.
 
I'm OK with that. I have pretty thick skin. But this sorta thing is a major factor in the Trump phenomenon. I have no doubt you've turned more neutrals into Republicans than Dems, on the whole. I'm sure you attribute that to the fundamental evil of the American polity and culture, but it's really just because you can't contain an eagerness to basically act behave as an off-brand, less impressive Howard Zinn.

Forgot to address this...this is another idea with a rich history and subtext. "Oh, I had to vote for the fascist because the left was mean to me online". [snip] Moderator Action: No need for that. Birdjaguar

I am a communist and not interested in recruiting people to be Democrats. Comparing me to Howard Zinn, even unfavorably, is a complement. I'm a less impressive version of the guy who wrote People's History of the United States? Thank you 😊
 
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Likewise, I don't believe you would be referring to Roswell as a self-evident war crime if you weren't a bit of a Lost Causer.
Given that I believe Robert E Lee the most overrated general in American military history, and that Stephens clearly laid slavery out as the prime Confederate motivator, you'd be wrong.
It obviously isn't inaccurate. What I did was overstate the case slightly for comedic effect, but you clearly don't understand the subtext of your own statements. Bringing up the "Angeln peninsula" to explain the 19th century free soil movement in the US (in the context of a, frankly, stupid argument about Lincoln actually being conservative) is really really insane rassenkunde. It puts you in the corner with the Know-Nothings who believed the survival of the American republic depended on limiting immigration to avoid diluting the freedom-loving culture of the anglo-saxon yeoman.
It can actually just be an observation that culture is built upon what came before it and carries long complex histories, rather than originating from...nowhere, which is what you seem to imply happened in America.

Anglo-Saxon culture really did romanticize free yeomen, stretching back centuries, and really did have a pattern of exploitation of outgroup members. Jefferson did not create that, he inherited it, drawing upon pre-existing currents, as did pretty much every other political leader of that era. I don't believe it should be at all controversial to note that what happened in America was actually a pretty obvious evolution of a pre-existing pattern that manifested in a variety of ways at various different points(know nothings included), which stretches very far back in origin.

What else could really be expected?

It's excessive. I simply didn't care about the claims you'd potentially make, as I believe your cohort and shall we say, intellectual lineage, is example of how groupthink can elevate some pretty wild standards and ideas that actually diminish discourse and are basically an anchor on the neck of the left.
 
Moderator Action: Can we get back to election news please.
 
I have no doubt you've turned more neutrals into Republicans than Dems, on the whole.
You have no doubt? I'm leaning more towards: no neutrals are turned into anything because someone wrote something on CFC-OT.

Ok, back to election news. Someone wrote a song about being turned into a Democrat. Oddly enough this was caused by a doofus yoghurt who believes english professors marvel at the inane drivel he spouts at rallies.

You know, I do the weave. You know what the weave is? I’ll talk about like nine different things, and they all come back brilliantly together and it’s like, and friends of mine that are, like, English professors, they say, ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen.’ But the fake news, you know what they say? ‘He rambled.’

Luckily an English professor was on hand to comment
James Shapiro, a professor of English at Columbia University and a renowned Shakespeare scholar, ruminated about Mr. Trump’s use of the word: 'I read Trump’s comment bragging that ‘I do the weave.’ I take him at his word, as one of the Oxford English Dictionary definitions of ‘weave’ is ‘to pursue a devious course.’"

Anyway, back to the song
 
So CFC:OT, what do we think? Will the absence of a detailed policy platform page on the Kamala campaign website lead to her losing the election, or is this a brilliant strategic maneuver to avoid being weighed down by bad-faith debates over policy specifics?
 
Policy is irrelevant in the age of Trump. MAGA World doesn't care that the "wall" ended up being a little extra bit of fencing.
 
he nearly destroyed eu relations.

Doesn't matter because BREXIT made the EU overall less relevant. Plus the war in Ukraine has now forced Germany (the economic heart of the EU) to become dependent on US natural gas.

It's as though nothing happened and the EU is still just as dependent on the US as before, maybe even more.
 
There seems to be a set of British who see that there is a "special relationship" between the US and Britain, that's different from the rest of Europe, because Britain isn't really in Europe.

Americans are very puzzled by this.
 

DOJ alleges Russia funded US media company linked to right-wing social media stars​


The unnamed Tennessee-based company that the Justice Department alleges was being funded by Russian operatives working as part of a Kremlin-orchestrated influence operation targeting the 2024 US election is Tenet Media, which is linked to right-wing commentators with millions of subscribers on YouTube and other social media platforms, according to a US official briefed on the matter.

The indictment unsealed in New York’s Southern District accused two employees of RT, the Kremlin’s media arm, of funneling nearly $10 million to an unidentified company, described only as “Company 1” in court documents.

CNN has independently confirmed that “Company 1” is Tenet Media, which is a platform for independent content creators. It is self-described as a “network of heterodox commentators that focus on Western political and cultural issues,” according to its website, which matches language contained in the newly unsealed indictment.

The goal of the operation, according to prosecutors, was to fuel pro-Russian narratives, in part, by pushing content and news articles favoring Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and others who the Kremlin deemed to be friendlier to its interests. The indictment also says that Company 1’s website identifies six commentators.

Among the commentators listed on Tenet Media’s website are right-wing personalities Benny Johnson and Tim Pool. Both have millions of subscribers on YouTube and other social media platforms. Pool interviewed Trump on his podcast in May.

In separate statements released Wednesday, Johnson and Pool said they were victims of the alleged scheme and said they maintained editorial control of the content they had created. “We are disturbed by the allegations in today’s indictment, which make clear that myself and other influencers were victims in this alleged scheme,” Johnson wrote in a post on X. “Should these allegations prove true, I as well as the other personalities and commentators were deceived and are victims,” Pool said on X. “The show is produced in its entirety by our local team without input from anyone external to the company,” he added.

On Wednesday, the Biden administration announced a sweeping set of actions to tackle a major Russian government-backed effort to influence the 2024 US presidential election, including sanctions on 10 individuals and entities, and the seizure of 32 internet domains.

At Russian President Vladimir Putin’s direction, three Russian companies used fake profiles to promote false narratives on social media, US Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco said in a statement. Internal documents produced by one of those Russian companies show one of the goals of the propaganda effort was to boost the candidacy of Trump or whoever emerged as the Republican nominee for president, according to an FBI affidavit.

Taken together with the indictment of the RT employees, the actions represent the Biden administration’s most significant public response yet to alleged Russian influence operations targeting American voters. After the US accused Iran of trying to hack both the Trump and Biden-Harris campaigns last month, Wednesday’s actions are a reminder that US officials continue to see Russia as a prominent foreign influence threat to November’s election, sources familiar with the matter told CNN ahead of the announcements.
 
Forgot to address this...this is another idea with a rich history and subtext. "Oh, I had to vote for the fascist because the left was mean to me online".
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You have no doubt? I'm leaning more towards: no neutrals are turned into anything because someone wrote something on CFC-OT.
and this... get'em Lex and Ziggy... I'm so over this BS narrative.
 
So CFC:OT, what do we think? Will the absence of a detailed policy platform page on the Kamala campaign website lead to her losing the election, or is this a brilliant strategic maneuver to avoid being weighed down by bad-faith debates over policy specifics?
Neither imho, it is likely an attempt to not discourage potential voters by explicitly stating policies they might not agree with.

That’s hardly a brilliant strategy, rather a marketing trick.

Do you have a link to the website ?

Edit, is this one ?


First thing it does is ask me donate, next it asks me for me email and phonenumber and "zip code" ? It is distasteful, your politicians are beggars, I would never vote for that.

But then again you only have two options.

It seems you have to rely on third parties to estimate what her policy is likely to be, like here :

 
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In my view it's a mistake. Bare minimum, have a link to the D party platform.
 

Donald Trump Rambles Incoherently When Asked About Reducing Child Care Costs​

Without explaining his child care policy, Trump suggested revenue from tariffs would more than cover its cost.

Donald Trump on Thursday got a question about what he would do as president to make child care more affordable and accessible.
The answer he gave might charitably be described as a rambling non sequitur, or less charitably as policy gibberish.

Either way, Trump did not actually offer a concrete proposal ― or even express much interest in finding one. The question came during an appearance before the Economic Club of New York. The former president, who is now the Republican presidential nominee for 2024, was there mainly to promote his macroeconomic agenda of tariffs, tax cuts and a rollback of federal regulations.

But after the speech, Trump answered a handful of questions from panelists. The last came from Reshma Saujani, CEO of Girls Who Code. Saujani said that high child care costs were creating hardships and holding back economic growth, by making it difficult for many working parents ― especially working women ― to stay in the workforce.

Then she asked Trump whether he’d commit to making child care a priority of his administration and, if so, what policies he would pursue.

Trump started his answer by saying he “would do that,” then name-dropped his daughter Ivanka and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who has talked about child care and introduced legislation he says would improve access.
“It’s a very important issue,” Trump said. “But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that — because — child care is child care ... It’s something, you have to have it in this country. You have to have it.”
Trump then started talking about the higher tariffs he intended to impose on imported goods. “But when you talk about those numbers, compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to, but they’ll get used to it very quickly, and it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country,” he said.

Eventually, Trump seemed to suggest that the tariffs would boost economic growth and government revenue enough to make child care more affordable.

“Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care, that it’s going to take care,” Trump continued. “We’re going to have — I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country.”

Exactly how all of this was supposed help working parents find or pay for child care wasn’t clear, especially given widespread predictions from economists that Trump’s tariffs would actually lead to higher deficits and a weaker economy, as well as higher costs to families who would pay more for imported goods. And then there’s the question of how seriously Trump and his political allies take the issue. Aside from a handful of lawmakers like Rubio, Republicans in general have been reluctant to take up child care proposals or to put real dollars behind them. Trump as president never made child care policy a legislative priority.

“As much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in,” Trump said on Thursday. “We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people,” Trump added ― again, without specifying how this would change child care costs.

Democrats for their part have a well-chronicled history of working on the issue. In 2021 and 2022, President Joe Biden and Democratic leaders in Congress had hoped to include what they called a “universal child care” initiative as part of a bigger legislative package they were calling “Build Back Better.” The initiative’s goal was to use a combination of regulations and new subsidies to cap child care costs at 7% of household income.
The proposal couldn’t get through Congress, in part because its price tag of several hundred billion dollars over 10 years was more than Sen. Joe Manchin, then a Democrat, could stomach. The proposal also attracted criticism, including some from liberals, over its design.

 
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Rescinding 10 government regulations for every new regulation implemented is absolutely wild. "One in, one out" is stupid and wasteful, but ten out?! Has Trump completely lost the plot now?
 
Rescinding 10 government regulations for every new regulation implemented is absolutely wild. "One in, one out" is stupid and wasteful, but ten out?! Has Trump completely lost the plot now?


Crony capitalism is the plot. Cutting regulations is what straight political corruption looks like.
 
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