Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

Who do you think will win in November?


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It is disputable if there's much you can do to reasonably increase turnout this late. At this point the candidates have known positions on the animating turnout issues.

At a certain time in the season swing voters become the more achievable target.
Do you have any statistics on swing voters that you could use to back up the assertion?
 
Do you have any statistics on swing voters that you could use to back up the assertion?
The most recent poll I've seen, from CNN, suggested 2% of voters are undecided, with an additional 12% indicating they have a preference but may yet change their minds.

Capturing 60% of that 2% would lead to a very strong Harris night, if current polls are accurate. Increasing voter motivation and turnout would be difficult. If Jan 6 does not motivate a Dem voter to show up, I'm unsure what angle could realistically be taken that would make the difference. Driving people to the voting both is already planned to the extent it's practicable. TV ads are full speed in the battlegrounds.

25, 30k undecideds in Pennsylvania might swing this whole thing, which is... unideal, but it is what it is.
 
Probably time for a "Generations" discussion thread...

538 only has one poll left in their national aggregation that shows Trump in the lead and its only by 1%. There are also 2 older polls that have the race tied. The rest of the polls show Harris leading, with multiple polls having her up by 6% and a recent Echelon Insights poll having her up 7% (52% to 45%)
 
Probably time for a "Generations" discussion thread...

538 only has one poll left in their national aggregation that shows Trump in the lead and its only by 1%. There are also 2 older polls that have the race tied. The rest of the polls show Harris leading, with multiple polls having her up by 6% and a recent Echelon Insights poll having her up 7% (52% to 45%)
Yeah. She's peaking. All downhill from here.
 
…this will hurt Obama politically?
 
When I say outperform the polls, I mean outperform the polling margin.

So, if a good poll, like Marist, say, is giving her a 1 point lead in PA, I expect her to win by 2.6.

i.e. Trump can't also "outperform" in this way of framing it.
We're getting to the point where there isn't any space in the polling numbers for both candidates to "outperform". In 2020, RCP's final pre-election average was Biden 51.2% and Trump 44.0%. That left 4.8% of space for both candidates to outperform, which they did, Biden by 0.2% and Trump by 2.9%. Some of the polls coming out recently are going 51-49% and 52-48% and similar, leaving little or no room for both candidates to outperform.

That said, 538 currently has Harris up 2.9% at 48.6% and Trump at 45.7%. That leaves a healthy 5.7% margin for both to outperform the polls. If Trump matches his 2.5% outperformance in 2016 and Harris does your predicted 2.6% outperformance she ends up with 51.2% and Trump ends up with 48.2%, leaving 0.4% for other candidates and giving Harris a 3.0% percent edge over Trump, which coincidentally, was the magic number @Zardnaar IIRC was hypothesizing earlier.
 
We're getting to the point where there isn't any space in the polling numbers for both candidates to "outperform". In 2020, RCP's final pre-election average was Biden 51.2% and Trump 44.0%. That left 4.8% of space for both candidates to outperform, which they did, Biden by 0.2% and Trump by 2.9%. Some of the polls coming out recently are going 51-49% and 52-48% and similar, leaving little or no room for both candidates to outperform.

Note this is only true if you assume the polls are representative. If you don't assume that, then the 'space' for either candidate to outperform their polling widens.
 
Yeah. She's peaking. All downhill from here.
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Note this is only true if you assume the polls are representative. If you don't assume that, then the 'space' for either candidate to outperform their polling widens.
So also, don't some pollsters give only the two options?
 
I was thinking today about Trump's age and the likelihood of him dying in office if he wins in November. That probability is not low. Imagine if Vance became president in 2026. Imagine Vance as president ever.
 
I was thinking today about Trump's age and the likelihood of him dying in office if he wins in November. That probability is not low. Imagine if Vance became president in 2026. Imagine Vance as president ever.
I can't. I couldn't imagine Trump before he won. I can't imagine either Walz or Harris either. I could see Biden as VP. But the only person on either ticket going back to 2016 that seemed or seems plausibly presidential was Pence and he was a stretch. Obama, McCain and Romney were all head and shoulders above what we've been dealing with. We need to fix it but here we are, probably on the eve of a global war with nothing.

North Carolina Republican Lt. Gov, Mark Robinson was hospitalized Friday night following an incident at a campaign event in Mt. Airy, a source close to the campaign confirms.
A campaign spokesperson said Robinson is being treated for burns and is in good spirits.
He was scheduled to be at the Mayberry Truck Show & Parade Friday and has more campaign stops for Saturday.
Information on his condition had not been released Friday night.

I wonder if Robinson was set up by the Deep State.
 
(NewsNation) North Carolina Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson was treated for second-degree burns on a hand Friday night after suffering the injury at a campaign event in Mt. Airy. His campaign tells NewsNation that Robinson was discharged and will return to the campaign trail Saturday.

Robinson was burned when he put his hand on a truck at the event, according to a Washington Post journalist posting on X.

Robinson has been under intense pressure to quit his campaign for governor, and even to resign his current post, since reports surfaced of old online posts in which Robinson referred to himself as a ‘black NAZI;” said he enjoyed transgender pornography; said in 2012 he preferred Hitler to then-President Barack Obama; and slammed the late Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. as “worse than a maggot.”
 
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