Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
^ So watch out bhsup! Potential Fifth Column! 
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sophie
Break My Heart
Identity CAN be layered. You know this, right?
Sincerely,
a Californian AND an American.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
Just you wait until California secedes. The current debates about splitting California are solely designed to weaken the mighty state.
-sincerly, a mad man and also from Southern Europe.
-sincerly, a mad man and also from Southern Europe.
Just to save myself time typing all of this...
If you are really interested in my views, read it all in that thread.
If you are really interested in my views, read it all in that thread.
Senethro
Overlord
Thats kind of weird brah.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
bhsup said:
Why not just incorporate Ireland as another state, since there are already much more Irish people in America than in Ireland.
So a true Irish patriot would side with Irish-Americans in such a conflict. And maybe you could incorporate Northern Ireland too.
But to be honest - I do not think that your aunt would make for a great soldier, definitely she would not be an Irish Rambo.
bhsup said:
Some of them may have loyalty in South America.
For example African-Americans who immigrated to the USA from Brazil.
onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
From the other side of the aisle:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/01/22/ferguson-the-line-to-apologize-forms-on-the-left/
t’s clearly time to apologize—for every activist and journalist (but I repeat myself) who bought into the simplistic, self-serving “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative and broadcast it far and wide based on false testimony; who reflexively dismissed Wilson’s side of the story as preposterous and unbelievable; who doggedly upheld a wider narrative that slanders police officers across the country as murderous racists....So it’s time for an apology. And the line should be forming up, appropriately, on the left.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/01/22/ferguson-the-line-to-apologize-forms-on-the-left/
Senethro
Overlord
The cops are thought to be murderous racists because of the pile of bodies with a particular skin colour. Other developed nations don't have this problem on this scale but somehow pointing it out gets you shrugs and infographics.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Why is that people become determined about the exclusive primacy of American national identity when faced with somebody calling themselves "Africa-American" or "Cajun-American", but not with, say, a guy with a bunch of Texan paraphernalia? That seems like a double standard.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
Aren't all Americans Texans, or vice versa?
Gori the Grey
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Language may be arbitrary, but the term “of color” is not. And "of color" isn't just some inscrutable language change that occurred. The phrase was deliberately, and cunningly, chosen to do very precise ideological work within the US: namely, to subvert white hegemony.
First, it has the effect of uniting all racial and ethnic minorities into a single collective, to more effectively balance white population figures. Whites are still the majority population, but soon will be under 50% of the US population. They might at that point still have retained the power of the most populous race, if the other alternatives were conceived of as, separately, blacks and Hispanics and Native Americans and Asian Americans, etc. But by consolodating all of those as “people of color,” the term creates a (conceptual) population bloc to make whites effectively a minority, rather than a plurality, when they drop below 50% of the US population. (It will prove more difficult to consolodate all of those races and ethnicities in fact than in nomenclature, of course, but even just the term effects a significant conceptual erosion of white domination.)
Second, it undoes the privileging that was inherent in the white-black contrast. As has been noted, in the West, and in fact in most world cultures, “white” maps onto many positive symbolic values: purity, innocence, light, etc. whereas “black” maps onto many negative symbolic associations: defilement, darkness, blindness, ignorance. “Of color” proposes a different set of poles, not white-black, but colorful-colorless. And in that polarity, the favored term is “colorful.” Related to this, the phrase “of color” presents white as lacking something. “Of,” in this sense, means “possessed of” (as in, e.g. “a man of means”
. Whites, in the “of color”/white binary, are conceived of as lacking something that the people of color possess, and therefore, of being lesser to that degree. It turns whiteness into, as John Milton said in a very different context, an “excremental whiteness,” a blank, colorlessness."Of color" is a carefully crafted and wielded tool.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
So.. White power?
Gori the Grey
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No, Tolni. Let it do its work, until the people presently known as whites can eventually be admitted as one of the colors as well. That time will come.
hangman
almost-scientist
^ So watch out bhsup! Potential Fifth Column!
We'll join OPEC, close the Mississippi River, and halt production of Tabasco Sauce and Tony Chachere's! If the oil and shipping problems don't get to them, maybe bland food will! Huh... well I certainly never ruled out the possibility, and I think most people are aware of that complexity. Seems kind of strawman-y.
It's really bizarre. I live in TX at the moment (it's terrible!
), and a large minority of people here are American mega-patriots (TM) and also treasonous secessionist bastards. The mental gymnastics must be exhausting...Something like that, yeah
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
I can't help but think that at least one of the previous posts was a joke that I missed, and now I'm about to get into a punk'd moment, but for some reason, I doubt that.
I covered this.
Irish-American
Ruskie-American
German-American
Italian-American
Japanese-American
Ireland, Ruskieland, Germany, Italy, and Japan are foreign powers. Texas is a part of America.
hangman
almost-scientist
After reading through that other thread, I honestly don't know what to say. I mean, how dare we, the minorities of America, not want to be "just American" after all the abuse we've suffered at the hands of this culture? It's like it doesn't matter what we do. Cajuns in particular are pretty conservative, patriotic, right-wing people, but it won't be enough until our culture is erased completely, will it? And you wonder why some of us are disillusioned with such a narcissistic perspective? 
Considering I didn't say I wanted to destroy your culture, nor even imply that, I don't know how to answer. Want to eat alligator, speak quasi-French-English amongst yourselves, celebrate whatever the hell day in your community amongst yourselves, and so forth and so on? Go right ahead, it's no skin off my back. But have the decency to call yourself an American and don't qualify it with something else. Just be American while you do all that stuff I just listed above.
hangman
almost-scientist
So it's okay to be a minority as long as you pretend that your minority doesn't exist? There's no nationalistic intent behind creating a lexical label to describe a coherent set of cultural practices. Assuming so makes you sound seriously racist, paranoid, or misinformed.
Why does it matter so much that someone is American first, and not Cajun, or human, or a Doctor Who fan? Is it so threatening that some people are just apathetic about nationality, and would fit in any country as well as another?
