FOR LIBERTY - Ron Paul 2012

[Ooovis]

Traitorfish given who you saying that to is funny seeing as this person supports a fellow that wants to get america's foot out of the collective backside of the world

 

[Traitorfish]

And maybe when he does, Mr. Snow can start pretending like America isn't everybody else's business by default. Until then, all I can do is observe the absurdity of his logic.

 

[amadeus]

The important word being 'intelligence'. While I am all for military disengagement, Ron Paul's view of complete disengagement is perhaps the worst foreign policy our country could pursue. Avoid military entaglements, but stay involved in world affairs through peacekeeping, aid, and international cooperation.

Bombs for Altruists? Is that anything like Toys For Tots?

 

[useless]

Just a reminder; Ron Paul is generally okay with any sort of injustice as long as it's done at the state level instead of the federal, so racism is okay if it's done by the state, but not feds (barring people from businesses), as is homophobia, etc.

 

[kochman]

Ron Paul is completely detached from reality, that's the problem... that and he has a zero percent chance of winning.
How old is he?

I've always thought his candidancy was there to push certain ideas to the forefront, which is good... rather than to legitimately run for office.

When was the last time a Representative was elected anyhow?

 

[Cutlass]

When was the last time a Representative was elected anyhow?

It's been a very, very, long time. They just aren't prominent enough. Ford and GHW Bush passed through the VP office first. Hoover was only a cabinet secretary, and had no elected experience.

The saving grace of Paul (as far as the Republicans are concerned) is his remaining in the Republican party. If he went 3rd party, then he could fill the Ralph Nader role of spoiler.

 

[IglooDame]

Just a reminder; Ron Paul is generally okay with any sort of injustice as long as it's done at the state level instead of the federal, so racism is okay if it's done by the state, but not feds (barring people from businesses), as is homophobia, etc.

Heck, for that matter he must be okay with abortions because he wants to leave that up to the individual states, too. Who knew, an Obstetrician who is "generally okay" with abortion? Couldn't be anything like believing it not to be a power of the federal government, that would just be wierd.

 

[useless]

State's rights bro. We both know he hates abortion, so stop being misleading.

 

[Traitorfish]

Heck, for that matter he must be okay with abortions because he wants to leave that up to the individual states, too. Who knew, an Obstetrician who is "generally okay" with abortion? Couldn't be anything like believing it not to be a power of the federal government, that would just be wierd.

Perhaps, then, you could explain why Paul's fervour for state's rights seems to make itself so disproportionately evident with those issues which arouse great interest in right-wingers, but are hard to swing very definitely that way- or will quite soon become so- at a national level? He never seems very interested in turning over the issue of, say, intellectual property law to the states, when there is every bit as much reason to believe that a sovereign entity should exercise that kind of power as over abortion, LGBT rights, etc.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Perhaps, then, you could explain why Paul's fervour for state's rights seems to make itself so disproportionately evident with those issues which arouse great interest in right-wingers, but are hard to swing very definitely that way- or will quite soon become so- at a national level? He never seems very interested in turning over the issue of, say, intellectual property law to the states, when there is every bit as much reason to believe that a sovereign entity should exercise that kind of power as over abortion, LGBT rights, etc.

They are disproportionately evident because such issues receive disproportionate attention.

 

[Traitorfish]

They are disproportionately evident because such issues receive disproportionate attention.

So Paul is a cynical realist, playing the crowd for his own ends, and not the staunch idealist that he claims to be?

 

[ParkCungHee]

So Paul is a cynical realist, playing the crowd for his own ends, and not the staunch idealist that he claims to be?

I believe he's a staunch idealist, being played by cynical realists in the crowd.

 

[Traitorfish]

I believe he's a staunch idealist, being played by cynical realists in the crowd.

 

[IglooDame]

Heck, for that matter he must be okay with abortions because he wants to leave that up to the individual states, too. Who knew, an Obstetrician who is "generally okay" with abortion? Couldn't be anything like believing it not to be a power of the federal government, that would just be wierd.

State's rights bro. We both know he hates abortion, so stop being misleading.

You have correctly divined my point. You seem to be saying he wants to keep the federal government out of criminalizing racism and homophobia because he is racist and homophobic, but when it comes to an activity he doesn't support, it is only then that he becomes a states' rights ideologue when it comes to keeping the federal government out of it?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I think they are saying Ron's philosophy is "it's fine to be improperly bummed in the gob, if it isn't your gob being bummed improperly".

 

[useless]

You have correctly divined my point. You seem to be saying he wants to keep the federal government out of criminalizing racism and homophobia because he is racist and homophobic, but when it comes to an activity he doesn't support, it is only then that he becomes a states' rights ideologue when it comes to keeping the federal government out of it?

Totes hilar bro, he's tried to define life as starting at conception, he's against gay marriageand wants to deny federal funding to any organisation which "which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style".

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Totes hilar bro, he's tried to define life as starting at conception, he's against gay marriageand wants to deny federal funding to any organisation which "which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style".

And these are a few of the many reasons I support him.

 

[Leoreth]

You should remove "for liberty" from your custom title then.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

You should remove "for liberty" from your custom title then.

How are any of those things anti-liberty?

 

[Traitorfish]

How are any of those things anti-liberty?

None of them, in any way.

("Liberty" means "rich straight white dudes doing whatever they want", right? I'm afraid that American English is not my native dialect.)