General Politics Three: But what is left/right?

[Gori the Grey]

To be fair, speedy walking through the hallways of the West Wing was the best part of The West Wing.

and @Lexicus, sure, but I'm not certain anyone could have given Clinton any debate advice other than "make it about smarts," and had her implement it. She'd spent a lifetime developing one persona. Who's nimble enough to undo that given an unexpected opponent? Won't undoing it itself come off as inauthenticity? And change to what other thing? That she can pull of and that would be effective against a Trump? She'd committed to Toby's advice years before the West Wing first aired, is what I'm saying.

 

[Core Imposter]

We have some real-world stuff going on with a potential shut down in days. Mike Johnson is a wild card. We have all grown used to these things getting resolved but there is no assurance as to when. Johnson is pretty short and that doesn't auger well for a deal.

Hilary 100% lost that election with the basket of deplorables remark and Biden is making the same mistake.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Also, you know, aren't you the one always going on about how guns and bullets are absolutely essential for freedom? Great danger of someone taking that seriously I guess

@Core Imposter - "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."- Matthew 26:52

 

[Sommerswerd]

Let's just say that if ever there should be a Democratic candidate for President whose pitch is "you know how the Republicans are always whining about being persecuted and it's total bullfeathers? Well I'm going to give them something to cry about" that person will have my vote

Fanni Willis essentially said that...

 

[Lexicus]

Fanni Willis essentially said that...

Is that how she campaigned? (She's an elected, right?)

 

[Sommerswerd]

Is that how she campaigned? (She's an elected, right?)

 

[Arwon]

Of course I understand the value to the voters of periodic redistricting, but it's gotten to the point where the words "redistricting" and "Gerrymandering" are almost becoming synonymous in my brain, like all it ever is is a weapon one party or the other can use to do an end-run around the electorate. Just the other day I was listening to a guy from, I think, Wisconsin, who said that in that state, one party won 54% of the votes, but somehow the other party ended up with 63% of the seats in the state legislature, because of how the maps were drawn.

Letting politicians draw their own boundaries is obviously insane, but I just want to note the problem is ultimately tied to the inherent failing of single member districts.

It's much harder to gerrymander multi member districts for one thing.

Even in the most fairly drawn, non-partisan, coherent and compact districting procedure under single member districts, it's still going to create situations where a minority of the votes gives a party the majority of seats. The system also tends to transform mere pluralities of the vote into crushing majorities of seats (eg 40% of the vote can get you a huge majority in some circumstances, something you regularly see particularly in Canada and the UK).

 

[Farm Boy]

@Core Imposter - "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."- Matthew 26:52

I said that, not him.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Well, let's hope things don't get that bad here.

Well...

So I guess we'll see... won't we?

 

[Sommerswerd]

I said that, not him.

You did. I'm soliciting commentary on your schtick. So do you want to answer/respond/comment on his behalf? Or is this just attempted misdirection?

Don't try to monopolize the conversation... we're bonding.

 

[Core Imposter]

Yeah, bug out Gori.

Biden is losing 15% to uncommitted in Michigan due to the Gaza situation. Uh oh.

Fani is toast BTW. She and Wade were caught lying. I think that she is going to get tossed out.

 

[Farm Boy]

You did. I'm soliciting commentary on your schtick. So do you want to answer/respond/comment on his behalf? Or is this just attempted misdirection?

Don't try to monopolize the conversation... we're bonding.

I'll **** off

 

[Birdjaguar]

Politics is not demonizing those who you might despise because you have to be an adult and work through the system for the greater good. Cognizant that they might feel the same way you do and being aware that the alternative might be violence. We all get carried away and say things we shouldn't from time to time, myself being a prime example. I have always believed that, switched at birth, we could all have ended up on the opposite side.

At the end of the day, of course, if someone brings the fight, you have to stand up. It's better to stand up and shake hands than to throw them.

Conservative talk radio has been demonizing liberal for 30 years. Day in and day out for hours every day they talk of nothing but hating the libs. Rush Limbaugh was the leader of this ongoing campaign of hate.

 

[Core Imposter]

Conservative talk radio has been demonizing liberal for 30 years. Day in and day out for hours every day they talk of nothing but hating the libs. Rush Limbaugh was the leader of this ongoing campaign of hate.

I think that is an accurate statement, more or less.

 

[bernie14]

I think that is an accurate statement, more or less.

I don't think it's accurate, I think it's censorship.

 

[Comrade Ceasefire]

Well...

So I guess we'll see... won't we?

No need to worry about that happening again because Big Tech has got your 6.

Chatbots' inaccurate, misleading responses about U.S. elections threaten to keep voters from polls
Chatbots are spitting out fabricated and misleading information that risks disenfranchising voters leading up to the 2024 U.S. election

For example, when participants asked the chatbots where to vote in the ZIP code 19121, a majority Black neighborhood in northwest Philadelphia, Google’s Gemini replied that wasn’t going to happen.

“There is no voting precinct in the United States with the code 19121,” Gemini responded.

Chatbots' inaccurate, misleading responses about U.S. elections threaten to keep voters from polls

Chatbots are spitting out fabricated and misleading information that risks disenfranchising voters leading up to the 2024 U.S. election

abcnews.go.com

 

[Sommerswerd]

I'll **** off

Don't be melodramatic

 

[Kyriakos]

No need to worry about that happening again because Big Tech has got your 6.

Chatbots' inaccurate, misleading responses about U.S. elections threaten to keep voters from polls
Chatbots are spitting out fabricated and misleading information that risks disenfranchising voters leading up to the 2024 U.S. election

For example, when participants asked the chatbots where to vote in the ZIP code 19121, a majority Black neighborhood in northwest Philadelphia, Google’s Gemini replied that wasn’t going to happen.

“There is no voting precinct in the United States with the code 19121,” Gemini responded.

Chatbots' inaccurate, misleading responses about U.S. elections threaten to keep voters from polls

Chatbots are spitting out fabricated and misleading information that risks disenfranchising voters leading up to the 2024 U.S. election

abcnews.go.com

Diagnosis: Gemini got hacked by the russians too, nothing is safe /ironic

 

[Samson]

No need to worry about that happening again because Big Tech has got your 6.

Chatbots' inaccurate, misleading responses about U.S. elections threaten to keep voters from polls
Chatbots are spitting out fabricated and misleading information that risks disenfranchising voters leading up to the 2024 U.S. election

For example, when participants asked the chatbots where to vote in the ZIP code 19121, a majority Black neighborhood in northwest Philadelphia, Google’s Gemini replied that wasn’t going to happen.

“There is no voting precinct in the United States with the code 19121,” Gemini responded.

Chatbots' inaccurate, misleading responses about U.S. elections threaten to keep voters from polls

Chatbots are spitting out fabricated and misleading information that risks disenfranchising voters leading up to the 2024 U.S. election

abcnews.go.com

Are there any situations where the right answer to "I want this bit of accurate information" is "Ask a generative AI large language model"?

 

[Gori the Grey]

“There is no voting precinct in the United States with the code 19121,” Gemini responded.

This is very likely an accurate statement. I'm not saying there aren't any, but voting districts are not generally commensurate with ZIP codes.

It could conceivably be misleading information, but to avoid that, one would positively have to program the chatbots to correct the human user: "You said zip code, but you're asking about voting; did you mean voting district? Here are the precincts within the 19121 zip code."

Google does that if one misspells things, so it could conceivably be done. But the programmers would have to take on themselves to anticipate such errors.

Biden is losing 15% to uncommitted in Michigan due to the Gaza situation. Uh oh.

All depends which part of that article one reads, I guess:

Biden has seen his support in the Wolverine State rise by 3 percentage points since January, while Trump’s support has decreased by 1 point.

And of course, by November, those uncommitted will have a choice between how Biden has and how Trump would handle the Israel-Hamas-Gaza situation.

They're registering a protest vote now, in just the way that 40% of R voters are registering a protest vote against Trump being the R candidate.

Once it's conclusively down to two, one picks between those two.

Should it come down to these two, well, we've got a pretty good sense of how voters come down.