GR29 - AWM vs 30 civs, Pangea

[Northern Pike]

I'll repeat this here, if only for CB's benefit. I'll be travelling, and unavailable to play, until about August 25. I do regret leaving you gentlemen to play in a three-man rotation, with Daeron gone too. You might want to allow yourselves two weeks per round, or something similar.

Anyway, everything seems to going smoothly in this game. The point at which we'll be in an unassailable position with rails built isn't far off now.

 

[Greebley]

I may take longer than normal to finish this. I spent the weekend reloading windows and still have the other game that requires me to play sooner, so I may extend into next weekend to finish this. I may be able to finish 5 turns sooner, but weekdays are hard for me and even 5 may be impossible before the weekend.

 

[Greebley]

Civ 3 is now crashing instantly. I am giving up for now.

CommandoBob,
Could you go ahead and play? I will work on the issue this week and try to get things working again before you finish so I can play next.

 

[Calis]

If you guys don't mind, I could step in for a set of turns. I should have some time in the second half of July!

If you give me two weeks, I should be able to complate one set.

CBob is up in our France Demigod game.

 

[Greebley]

I am fine with you taking a turn. With the loss of Daeron, we definitely have room for it.

If you are going to take 2 weeks (which I am ok with), how about a partial update 1/2 way though? Keeps the game a bit more lively.

 

[Calis]

No problem with updates inbetween.

 

[Northern Pike]

Thanks for your help.

 

[Northern Pike]

Calis, I'll take the liberty of quoting myself on this, because if you overlook it you'll have some units unpleasantly stranded:

There are enough workers beneath the knight army and other units two tiles north of Iri in the central west to build them a road before they move next turn.

I don't know how much maximum-size AW you've played, but this is a hard position to mess up , as long as you keep our eastern wall basically intact. Opening a hole in the north every so often, as discussed in my report, is fine if you feel confident about it. But I wouldn't be ambitious about taking Babylonian cities.

Don't attack major enemy cities with single armies--always with two, so that if things go badly one army can shield the other. Where junk cities are concerned, it's up to you.

Good luck!

 

[Calis]

Thank you for the hints. I intended to read some posts before playing anyway.

Got the save and had a first glance...

Although this is the first time, I am playing an AW game on such a map, I am confident not to mess up too much

 

[Calis]

Just to let you guys know:

I was rather busy last week (including the weekend). Thus, I just managed two turns so far, but this week is looking better...

 

[Greebley]

Note that there is no fixed number of turns you need to do. Some people do 5, some do 10, and sometimes it is some other number. All are acceptable, though most aim for 5 or 10 to stop at.

If you enjoy it enough to want to do more turns, then we have (more than one) open spots.

 

[Calis]

Actually I just played another turn and I really start enjoying this

I will play unitl the comming weekend whatever I am able to do.

 

[Calis]

I just want to hear the opinion of the people on one matter:

In the east there is the city of Satsuma and it has Bach's Cathedral in it. I definately think that this is a fantastic wonder for this map. But at size 12 the flip risk is just too high. So after capturing it I leave it undefended to allow the Japanese to get it back. This way the city can shrink into a more manageable size and as a side effect, we can get some more gold from the Japanese. At least as they take it back and not another civ that is first in play order

Is there any reason, not to do it that way?

 

[ThERat]

We have done this before and it should be alright. We should not let such a great city get burnt

 

[Calis]

Here is the log of the first five turns:

Spoiler :

preflight:

I see that Japan has a total of 24,000 bucks cash. Seems that Japanese cities are an attractive target.

No other civ has even more than 1,000 gold pieces.

IBT:

We lose a defending pike to a Korean cavalry (0-1) Great start

Several of our slves get captured. They were positioned close to Japanese territory.

Whale Tail: settler --> settler
Phantanium: cavalry --> cavalry
San Francisco: settler --> settler
Sapporo: aqueduct --> cavalry
Johnny Quest: aqueduct --> cavalry
Thessalonica: marketplace --> cavalry
Ch'ongfu: settler --> settler
Kandahar: courthouse --> barracks

Japanese found Suo near our army wall.

1395AD (turn 1):

I attack Pyongyang:

I kill 2 muskets and capture 2 workers. (2-1)
I raze the city and we gain another 5 slaves.

I kill a Greek sword (3-1)

I kill two Aztec units (5-1)

I attack Satsuma:

I kill 4 units guarding Satsuma (9-1), capturing the city along with two slaves.

Satsuma has Bach's in it. So I decide not to raze the city. Gain 1323 gold!
I am planning to let the Japanese get it back for one or two times until it has shunk to a managable level. I hope that everybody agrees that JSB is a very valuable wonder on htis kind of map!?

I kill two Scandinavian units (11-1)

Killed two Japanese unts guarding the newly founded Suo and the town autorazes gaining us 893 gold. (13-1)

Killed 5 Indian units in front of our wall. (18-1)

Killed 4 Japanese units in front of our wall (22-1)

Killed 4 Celtic spearmen in the west (26-1)

MMing so we get Magnetism with a minimum waste of beakers (one or two)

IBT:

We get Magnetism, set to Theory of Gravity

Mr. Peppermint: marketplace --> university
West Greebly: cavarly --> cavalry
Hamadan: courthouse --> worker
Plain Plains: cavalry --> cavalry
Altin Tepe: cavalry --> cavalry

1400AD (turn 2):

found New Persepolis --> cannon

I attack Pyongsong:

Kill 3 muskets and raze the city, gaining 5 workers (29-1)

Kill 3 units roaming our territory (32-1)

Attack the Korean city of Taegu:

I kill three musket and raze the city, gaining us 6 workers (35-1)

Kill another 8 units near the army wall (43-1)

I recapture Satsuma from Scandinavia and get JSB Cathedral back!! I want to do this back and foth till it's down to one pop...I hoped that Japan would capture it to get more money, but the Vikings were faster (44-1)

I kill a French settler pair (46-1)

I kill another 6 units in the west (52-1)

I make some use of our ~4700gold:

- I short-rush a unversity in Persepolis (~160 gold)
- I short-rush a university in Pasadena (160 gold)
- I rush a cavalry in Guimaraes (108 gold)
- I short-rush a cavalry in Shiraz (160 gold)
- I rush a settler in Borazjan (40 gold)
- I switch Tyre to university and rush some shields (16 gold)

I micromanage to get ToG in 7 turns...

IBT:

Japanese capture Satsuma!!

An enemy units gets killed when attacking a town in the west (53-1)

Persepolis: university --> cavalry
Pasadena: university --> cavalry
Guimaraes: cavalry --> marketplace
Borazjan: settler --> settler
Ura Tyube: settler --> settler
Houston: settler --> settler
Bampur: settler --> settler
Fried bread: settler --> settler

1405DA (turn 3):

Attack Satsuma again:

I kill 3 units and capture the city (56-1). (We get 1,200gold) After that I leave the city undefended again.

found New Pasargadae in the west

Attack Haeju:

I kill two units and raze the town, gaining 4 workers (58-1)

Kill an aztec unit (59-1)

found New Arbela in the west

Kill 2 Mongol units (61-1)

Kill 1 Celtic unit(s) (62-1)

Attack Herakleia:

Kill 2 units and raze the town (64-1), gaining two workers

Kill another roaming Greek unit (65-1)

Kill another Celtic units, gaining the first MGL of my round (66-1)

I create a cavalry army

kill 4 more Celtic units (70-1)

kill 10 Indian units near our army wall (80-1)

kill 3 further units in the west (83-1)

IBT:

An Indian cavalry loses to a knight (84-1)

The French capture Satsuma

Two further units lose while attacking our troops (86-1)

Shiraz: cavalry --> university
Tyre: university --> cavalry
Sinop: cannon --> cannon
Stalled: settler --> settler
Coyotepec: warrior --> warrior
False Alarm: cannon --> cannon

1410AD (turn 4):

found New Antioch in the west

kill a Celtic unit in the west (87-1)

kill a Korean unit in the west (88-1)

Attack Tepexpan (Aztec):

Kill three muskets and raze the city, gaining three workers (91-1)

From this side there are no more attacks to be feared:

Attack Huich'on:

Kill 3 units, raze the town and gain two workers (94-1)

Kill 2 Mongol settler pairs, gaining 4 workers (96-1)

Kill an Aztec unit on our way to the next Korean city (97-1)

Attack Taejon:

Kill two muskets, but have no movement left. Will kill the rest next turn (99-1)

Kill 6 more units in the west (105-1)

Kill 5 units in the east gaining the second MGL of my round (110-1) plus two slaves

I create a cavalry army!

re-capture Satsuma, killing two units (112-1)

IBT:

Arbela: cavalry --> cavalry
Hindana: settler --> settler
Sidon: cavalry --> cavalry
Gemer: barracks --> cannon
Hamadan: worker --> aqueduct
Dry Gulch: settler --> settler
Herat: warrior --> warrior
Merv: settler --> settler

1415AD (turn 5):

found New Gordium in the west

I rush a bunch of settlers in the west, as the free space is growing

I continue the Attack Huich'on:

I kill two units and raze the city, gaining 8 slaves (114-1)

I kill 7 units in the west (121-1)

I kill 7 units near our army wall (128-1)

I re-re-capture Satsuma, killing three units (131-1). Next time it'll be down to size 1 and I'll keep it...

Here are two pics of the current situation:

Spoiler :

The east:

The west

I will continue until the weekend and then post whatever I could finish!

 

[Northern Pike]

Fine work. I'm glad you got started on our cheap universities.

Several of our slaves get captured. They were positioned close to Japanese territory.

This was intentional, since we couldn't keep those slaves and also push on against Japan's rich cities. I scattered the slaves to lure as many enemies as possible onto inconvenient tiles.

Oh, and a little brain-teaser: right now the little Google ad at the top right is offering Lesbian dating services. I think I can see why; does anyone else have a theory?

 

[Calis]

Now I am knocking at Seouls door. It has Leo's. Is this wonder of any interest to us? Somewhere I read that arty units should not be upgraded. On the other hand once Japan is eliminated, we will have tons of gold available.

Any comments?

 

[ThERat]

We can keep Leo's but shouldn't upgrade arty

 

[Calis]

my log:

Spoiler :

IBT:

Persepolis: cavalry --> cavalry
Newer York: settler --> settler
Pasadena: cavalry --> cavalry
Charsadda: settler --> settler
Parelandra: settler --> settler
Varna: settler --> settler
Phantanium: cavalry --> cavalry
Aydin: cavalry --> cavalry
Persian Potpourri: settler --> settler
Three Rivers Stadium: settler --> settler
Triptweeze: settler --> settler
Ergili: cavalry --> cavalry
Pee-wee's Playhouse: cavalry --> cavalry
Bicowville: cavalry --> cavalry
Amorium: settler --> settler
Thessalonica: cavalry --> cavalry
Horse Town: cavalry --> cavalry
Bunyan: cavalry --> cavalry
Slumtrimpet: settler --> settler
Viritrilbia: settler --> settler

The Koreans are building Shakespeare's Theater

The Japanese are now in the IA!!

1420AD (turn 6):

I attack Satsuma:

I kill 4 units in the town and finally capturing it at size 1. We have Bach's now! (135-1)

I kill three more Viking units around Satsuma (138-1)

I kill 3 units in the west, gaining the third MGL of my round (141-1)

I create a new Cav army and move it towards Seoul (which contains Leo's).

I lose two units in the west (141-3)

But as a compensation I get the fourth MGL of my round with the next elite victory (142-3) And yet another cavalry army.

I kill 10 more units in the west (152-3)

IBT:

WOW! Satsuma gets attacked, although the cav army within has 16 of 17 hits

The enemies get several hit point off the army but 3 of them get kill trying while attacking Satsuma (155-3)

Seattle: cavalry --> cavalry
Bactra: cavalry --> cavalry
Chalcedon: aqueduct --> marketplace
Johnny Quest: cavalry --> cavalry
Altin Tepe: cavalry --> cavalry

1425AD (turn 7):

After that shock of enemies attacking the army in Satsuma I send a fully healed one over there that originally should attack Fukushima. On its way there it kill two inferior units (157-3)

I found New Bactra in the west

I kill 3 units near our wall (160-3)

I attack Sariwon (Korean):

Kill three units and capture the city (I do not want to lose the movement of the army). I sell a barracks in the town and after movong the army away, I abandon the town. (163-3)

I found New Sidon in the west

I attack Seoul:

I kill 5 muskets and capture the city (168-3). I will leave it empty to do the same thing as with Satsuma.

I found New Tyre in the west

I kill 7 unit in the west (175-3)

I kill 3 units in the east (178-3)

I attack New Bombay, killing 3 units (181-3). The town autorazes.

IBT:

We lose an Immortal (181-4)

Istanbul: cavalry --> cavalry
Mr. Peppermint: university --> cavalry
Dariush Kabir: cavalry --> cavalry
Kandahar: barracks --> cavalry

The Russians are building Smith's

1430AD (turn 8):

I attack Chonju (Korean):

I kill two units and raze the town, gaining two slaves (183-4)

I kill an Incan settler pair, gaining two slaves (184-4)

I attack the newly founded Namwon, kill a musket and the town autorazes (185-4)

I kill a Celtic settler pair plus another Celtic spear (187-4), plus two slaves

I kill 10 further units in the west, gaining the fifth MGL of my round (197-4)

And another cav army. I will send this one to the east...

I found New Sardis in the west

I rush a wall in Satsuma

I kill 5 units in the east (202-4)

Now let's pray for Steam Power as the free IA tech....

IBT:

The Koreans recapture Seoul

Three enemy units runagainst our armies in Satsuma and get killed (205-4)

We are now in the Industial Age!!

And our free tech is....

Spoiler :

STEAM POWER

Research set to Industrialization

Sardis: settler --> settler
Satsuma: walls --> library
Naissus: settler --> settler
Wineton: barracks --> cavalry
Far west Greebly: aqueduct --> cavalry
Tequixquiac: courthouse --> aqueduct

The Indians are building Smith's

1435AD (turn 9):

The first task is to build a transpersian railroad...

We have 296 slaves and 3 workers. Let's get to work...

We have contact with Sumeria and declare. Didn't see any units, though. (PP!?)

found New Samaria in the west

I attack Hyangsan (new Korean capital):

I kill 4 units and raze the city...(209-4), gaining 5 slaves

I recapture Seoul killing one cavalry (210-4)

I kill 17 units in the west (227-4)

Korea now has just 3 cities left. Problem is that at least one seems not to be on the same landmass.

I kill 7 units in the east (234-4)

IBT

13 units run against our army in Satsuma, being killed, but eventually a Babylonian longlow eliminates our army (247-5) and captures Satsuma. That will cause some unrest in our cities...

1440AD (turn 9):

Nonetheless I attack Fukushima this turn:

I kill two units and raze the town, gaining 454 gold (where did the Japanese gold go?) and two slaves. (249-5)

I recognize that Russia now has 12,000 of the former Japanese gold. They sold them Medicine.

I kill 2 units in the east (251-5)

I kill 9 units in the west (260-5)

found New Hamadan in the west

IBT:

Seoul: worker --> worker
Arbela: cavalry --> cavalry
Malacandra: settler --> settler
Baby Steal: settler --> settler
Hadji: settler --> settler

1445AD (turn10):

I attack Wonsan:

I kill 3 units and raze the city, gaining 5 slaves (263-5)

I kill 10 units in the west (273-5)

I lose one cav (273-6)

I kill 8 units in the west (281-6)

I kill 9 units in the east (290-6)

found New Ergili in the west

 

[Calis]

pics of our empire:

Spoiler :

The West:

The East: