Great Quotes δ' : Being laconic is being philosophical

The thing is, the best way to understand Theresa May’s predicament is to imagine that 52 percent of Britain had voted that the government should build a submarine out of cheese.

Now, Theresa May was initially against building a submarine out of cheese, obviously. Because it’s a completely insane thing to do.

However, in order to become PM, she had to pretend that she thought building a submarine out of cheese was fine and could totally work.

"Cheese means cheese," she told us all, madly.

Then she actually built one.

It’s s—. Of course it is. For God’s sake, are you stupid? It’s a submarine built out of cheese.

So now, having built a s— cheese submarine, she has to put up with both Labour and Tory Brexiters insisting that a less s— cheese submarine could have been built.

They’re all lying, and they know it. So does everybody else. We've covered this already, I know, but it’s cheese and it’s a submarine. How good could it possibly be?

Only she can’t call them out on this. Because she has spent the past two years also lying, by pretending she really could build a decent submarine out of cheese.

So that’s where we are.​

Hugo Rifkind, "Here follows a Brexit thread."
 
Now that's an incredible idea. Make it chocolate and I'm moving to the UK.
 
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"Cheese means cheese," she told us all, madly.

Then she actually built one.

It’s s—. Of course it is. For God’s sake, are you stupid? It’s a submarine built out of cheese.

So now, having built a s— cheese submarine, she has to put up with both Labour and Tory Brexiters insisting that a less s— cheese submarine could have been built.

They’re all lying, and they know it. So does everybody else. We've covered this already, I know, but it’s cheese and it’s a submarine. How good could it possibly be?
"How good could it possibly be"?
Jebus boinking Christ.

You, good sir, are an enlightened philosopher, covered in cherry petals and the morning sun.
 
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Isn't proper cheese white?
 
"Amazon is a clear monopoly that is somehow being allowed to destroy industry after industry. They don’t crush you when you’re small. They wait until you’ve got employees and lease obligations and business loans and warehouses full of product, and THEN they reveal that they don’t need you anymore."
— Kevin Harmon, quoted in "Prime and Punishment: Dirty Dealing in the $175 Billion Amazon Marketplace"
 
"Of what should we be afraid?—what gathering of numbers, or what resources of money? for their manner of fight we know, and as for their resources, we know that they are feeble; and we have moreover subdued already their sons, those I mean who are settled in our land and are called Ionians, Aiolians, and Dorians. Moreover I myself formerly made trial of marching against these men, being commanded thereto by thy father; and although I marched as far as Macedonia, and fell but little short of coming to Athens itself, no man came to oppose me in fight. And yet it is true that the Hellenes make wars, but (as I am informed) very much without wise consideration, by reason of obstinacy and want of skill: for when they have proclaimed war upon one another, they find out first the fairest and smoothest place, and to this they come down and fight; so that even the victors depart from the fight with great loss, and as to the vanquished, of them I make no mention at all, for they are utterly destroyed."

Persian general Mardonius to King Xeres, from Herodotus' The Persian Wars.

I suppose that Herodotus is trying to establish some sort of Persian hubris to be knocked down at Platea (after all, Mardonius seems to be forgetting that Marathon, y'know, happened), but the tone is just so matter of fact, it would be like if there was a bit in Captain America where the Red Skull just politely lists the technical shortcomings of the M4 Sherman.
 
"remember the athenians, my lord" - supposed to have been what darius ordered one of his servants to say to him ever day, on account of the athenian (and eretrian) help in an ionian revolt. Iirc mentioned by herodotos :)
 
“There is not really any courage at all in attacking hoary or antiquated things, any more than in offering to fight one’s grandmother. The really courageous man is he who defies tyrannies young as the morning and superstitions fresh as the first flowers. The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is as much free from the future as from the past.”

- G. K. Chesterton
 
You are always free from the future because it doesn't exist yet

What I'm really drawing from that quote is "the status quo is great; everything new isn't."
 
As much from the future as from the past. What do you suppose that means? All he's saying is that it's easier to oppose past tyrannies.

Pretty sure the quote is aimed at future-looking ideologies like Marxism or modernism in general.
 
The future is the only place to look.
 
I think that it's a very misinterpretable quote, highly liable to eisegesis, unless, of course, you actually provide the entire context.
 
I disagree, but if you insist, it's from an essay called The Fear of the Past.
Now in history there is no Revolution that is not a Restoration. Among the many things that Leave me doubtful about the modern habit of fixing eyes on the future, none is stronger than this: that all the men in history who have really done anything with the future have had their eyes fixed upon the past. I need not mention the Renaissance, the very word proves my case. The originality of Michael Angelo and Shakespeare began with the digging up of old vases and manuscripts. The mildness of poets absolutely arose out of the mildness of antiquaries. So the great mediaeval revival was a memory of the Roman Empire. So the Reformation looked back to the Bible and Bible times. So the modern Catholic movement has looked back to patristic times. But that modern movement which many would count the most anarchic of all is in this sense the most conservative of all. Never was the past more venerated by men than it was by the French Revolutionists. They invoked the little republics of antiquity with the complete confidence of one who invokes the gods. The Sans-culottes believed (as their name might imply) in a return to simplicity. They believed most piously in a remote past; some might call it a mythical past. For some strange reason man must always thus plant his fruit trees in a graveyard. Man can only find life among the dead. Man is a misshapen monster, with his feet set forward and his face turned back. He can make the future luxuriant and gigantic, so long as he is thinking about the past. When he tries to think about the future itself, his mind diminishes to a pin point with imbecility, which some call Nirvana. To-morrow is the Gorgon; a man must only see it mirrored in the shining shield of yesterday. If he sees it directly he is turned to stone. This has been the fate of all those who have really seen fate and futurity as clear and inevitable. The Calvinists, with their perfect creed of predestination, were turned to stone. The modern sociological scientists (with their excruciating Eugenics) are turned to stone. The only difference is that the Puritans make dignified, and the Eugenists somewhat amusing, statues.

But there is one feature in the past which more than all the rest defies and depresses the moderns and drives them towards this featureless future. I mean the presence in the past of huge ideals, unfulfilled and sometimes abandoned. The sight of these splendid failures is melancholy to a restless and rather morbid generation; and they maintain a strange silence about them--sometimes amounting to an unscrupulous silence. They keep them entirely out of their newspapers and almost entirely out of their history books. For example, they will often tell you (in their praises of the coming age) that we are moving on towards a United States of Europe. But they carefully omit to tell you that we are moving away from a United States of Europe, that such a thing existed literally in Roman and essentially in mediaeval times. They never admit that the international hatreds (which they call barbaric) are really very recent, the mere breakdown of the ideal of the Holy Roman Empire. Or again, they will tell you that there is going to be a social revolution, a great rising of the poor against the rich; but they never rub it in that France made that magnificent attempt, unaided, and that we and all the world allowed it to be trampled out and forgotten. I say decisively that nothing is so marked in modern writing as the prediction of such ideals in the future combined with the ignoring of them in the past. Anyone can test this for himself. Read any thirty or forty pages of pamphlets advocating peace in Europe and see how many of them praise the old Popes or Emperors for keeping the peace in Europe. Read any armful of essays and poems in praise of social democracy, and see how many of them praise the old Jacobins who created democracy and died for it. These colossal ruins are to the modern only enormous eyesores. He looks back along the valley of the past and sees a perspective of splendid but unfinished cities. They are unfinished, not always through enmity or accident, but often through fickleness, mental fatigue, and the lust for alien philosophies. We have not only left undone those things that we ought to have done, but we have even left undone those things that we wanted to do

It is very currently suggested that the modern man is the heir of all the ages, that he has got the good out of these successive human experiments. I know not what to say in answer to this, except to ask the reader to look at the modern man, as I have just looked at the modern man-- in the looking-glass. Is it really true that you and I are two starry towers built up of all the most towering visions of the past? Have we really fulfilled all the great historic ideals one after the other, from our naked ancestor who was brave enough to till a mammoth with a stone knife, through the Greek citizen and the Christian saint to our own grandfather or great-grandfather, who may have been sabred by the Manchester Yeomanry or shot in the '48? Are we still strong enough to spear mammoths, but now tender enough to spare them? Does the cosmos contain any mammoth that we have either speared or spared? When we decline (in a marked manner) to fly the red flag and fire across a barricade like our grandfathers, are we really declining in deference to sociologists--or to soldiers? Have we indeed outstripped the warrior and passed the ascetical saint? I fear we only outstrip the warrior in the sense that we should probably run away from him. And if we have passed the saint, I fear we have passed him without bowing.

This is, first and foremost, what I mean by the narrowness of the new ideas, the limiting effect of the future. Our modern prophetic idealism is narrow because it has undergone a persistent process of elimination. We must ask for new things because we are not allowed to ask for old things. The whole position is based on this idea that we have got all the good that can be got out of the ideas of the past. But we have not got all the good out of them, perhaps at this moment not any of the good out of them. And the need here is a need of complete freedom for restoration as well as revolution.

We often read nowadays of the valor or audacity with which some rebel attacks a hoary tyranny or an antiquated superstition. There is not really any courage at all in attacking hoary or antiquated things, any more than in offering to fight one's grandmother. The really courageous man is he who defies tyrannies young as the morning and superstitions fresh as the first flowers. The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is as much free from the future as from the past. He cares as little for what will be as for what has been; he cares only for what ought to be. And for my present purpose I specially insist on this abstract independence. If I am to discuss what is wrong, one of the first things that are wrong is this: the deep and silent modern assumption that past things have become impossible. There is one metaphor of which the moderns are very fond; they are always saying, "You can't put the clock back." The simple and obvious answer is "You can." A clock, being a piece of human construction, can be restored by the human finger to any figure or hour. In the same way society, being a piece of human construction, can be reconstructed upon any plan that has ever existed.

He is clearly criticizing modernism for its rejection of all past things. Nothing suggests that he thinks 'we need to just stick with what we have and not change anything.' I don't think anybody really believes that, other than liberal caricatures of conservatives.
 
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Thanks for the source.

Strange writing from my perspective though, as "he cares only for what ought to be" to me is the future, since after all we cannot actually divine "what will be".

Things of the past are constructions of their specifics environment. They cannot ever be precisely replicated, because the culture surrounding them, fueling them, and giving them context is dead.

"History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes" - Mark Twain
 
Now I see why you quoted him, Mouthwash. Carry on, soldier.
"History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes" - Mark Twain
This deserves a post oif its own.
 
Strange writing from my perspective though, as "he cares only for what ought to be" to me is the future, since after all we cannot actually divine "what will be".

That's not my understanding of what modernists believe

Things of the past are constructions of their specifics environment. They cannot ever be precisely replicated, because the culture surrounding them, fueling them, and giving them context is dead.

I don't think he believes that. His final sentence might give that impression, but he's really just saying that things of the past aren't as dead as we think they are.
 
an essay called The Fear of the Past.
A lot of words for a strawman that portrays modernity as completely intolerant of the past. Shame, and I was so curious to read Mr. Chesterton after being referenced by Deus Ex.
 
That's not even close to what he said, but hey, this is CFC. I should know what to expect by now.
 
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