Greek communication thread

[donsig]

Here's the latest from the Greeks:

Title - MIA Update

Hail donsig II
Grand Vizier of the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

Apology accepted

In future, we should consult prior to the release of dis-information, that way we can ensure maximum impact and disruption Interesting to note that KISS misquoted your conflict enjoyment comment. Your wording was certainly a little less provocative than was claimed.

You may note when you receive the save that MIA's military has increased to strong relative to yours. While we are certainly no threat to you (our hands are full keeping our northern neighbors at bay), we feel it is our duty as friends to inform you that Donut's military is still strong relative to ours meaning that they are at least 40% stronger than you. We urge you to redouble your military builds as we believe your civilization could be in mortal danger.

We feel, and would like your feedback, that the best way to counter the Great Library effect is for you to gift (with ACCEPT) us Theology one turn before completing Education, which you will then gift (with ACCEPT) the next turn when you finish learning it ... These technologies will then automatically be passed onto the Great Librarian who will in turn have an embolism ... the Great Library is then neutralised ... The following turn, we shall send you Engineering and Invention since it will then be safe to do so.

Alliance of Science

Research Route for MIA is ... Engineering (36/1080) ... Invention 44(1320)
Suggested Research Route for TNT is ... Theology (40/1200) ... Education (44/1320)


Also good fortune to your militaristic endeavours in the sweating jungles, we have seen military units, a mixture of warriors, spears and swords moving north through high mountain passes. Of course all this information was not sourced through us

We were just wondering, could you tell us what happened early in the game when you refounded the capital, it certainly caused a big furour in the UN and also could you lef us know what KISS' military strength is relative to you and inform us of any change. We will reciprocate with any changes in the Nutter's Military strength, we are still weak compared to them.

With regards to KISS, we just received a curt note which indicated that after 470BC (T104) the mutual peace between our peoples will no longer be in effect ... simply put after this dark date, KISS are free to act with aggression without suffering a penalty.

To MIA Diplomatic Corps:

We are unhappy, and frustrated, by your recent dealings with the "Dark Side" across the water. We can no longer guarantee continued peaceful relations beyond 470BC (T104).

During this period we will view any incursion of your troops or settlers north of The Line of Demarcation set forth in the attached map as an act of war and will respond accordingly.

Bede of KISS

Regards

Feaurius III
Foreign Department MIA

 

[donsig]

Alliance of Science

Research Route for MIA is ... Engineering (36/1080) ... Invention 44(1320)
Suggested Research Route for TNT is ... Theology (40/1200) ... Education (44/1320)

I'm not sure what the numbers mean in their message. Are they saying we should research theology in 40 turns or at a rate of 40 beakers/turn - which would take 30 turns? We can do theology in 22 turns with a 2 gpt surplus.

I do not like the idea of us researching the two most expensive techs AND giving them away while we wait for our share from them. Besides, we need gunpowder in order to ensure the Iroqi don't get restless.

 

[donsig]

Greetings and good tidings Minister Feaurius III!

We thank you for your information regarding military strengths. We are currently weak to all I think. We are not in mortal peril. We have learned much from this war and the Iroqi cannot destroy us. We are currently working on a mix of pikemen and libraries. We have a peace offering on table. Either the Iroqi will make peace next turn or the war will continue for quite some time. They are currently threatening one of our cities and we may have to temporarily disband it. They can wound us and anger us into prolonging the war but they cannot conquer us.

I see that your country is now a republic. Congratulations!

I am sorry to say that your proposal for the Science Alliance is not at all to our lliking. We do not like the idea of researching two expensive techs and giving them to you while we get nothing until (if?) the Great Library gets built. Since our war may continue we need not only engineering but gunpowder as soon as we can get it! We are currently researching engineering and will have it in 22 turns. If you haven't already started engineering are you willing to research theology? We are interested in the Science Alliance but just not under the proposal you've laid out. If you've already started engineering then we are willing to take the one turn loss and switch to theology if mutually acceptable arrangments for the science alliance can be made.

Sorry if this message sounds curt - the war weariness has set in on me and I'm very tired tonight.

signed
donsig III
Grand Vizeer of the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

 

[TimBentley]

I'm not sure what the numbers mean in their message. Are they saying we should research theology in 40 turns or at a rate of 40 beakers/turn - which would take 30 turns? We can do theology in 22 turns with a 2 gpt surplus.

They're the numbers in the editor.

 

[donsig]

But what do the numbers mean?

 

[Rik Meleet]

I'm not sure what the numbers mean in their message. Are they saying we should research theology in 40 turns or at a rate of 40 beakers/turn - which would take 30 turns? We can do theology in 22 turns with a 2 gpt surplus.

I do not like the idea of us researching the two most expensive techs AND giving them away while we wait for our share from them. Besides, we need gunpowder in order to ensure the Iroqi don't get restless.

... Engineering (36/1080) ... Invention 44(1320) -> this means that Engineering has relative value of 36. The number itself soesn't have that much meaning, except for the relative value compared to other techs. This is because the number depends on map size, number of civs, etc.

The big number (1080 for Engineering) is exactly how many beakers are needed to learn the technology. You'll need 1320 beakers to learn Invention. If your cities can produce 132 beakers per turn; you'll get it in (1320/132) = 10 turns. If your cities can produce 133 beakers per turn; you'll get it in (1320/133) = 9.92 turns = 10 turns with some overflow in beakers.

Hope this helps.

 

[Theoden]

You may note when you receive the save that MIA's military has increased to strong relative to yours. While we are certainly no threat to you (our hands are full keeping our northern neighbors at bay), we feel it is our duty as friends to inform you that Donut's military is still strong relative to ours meaning that they are at least 40% stronger than you. We urge you to redouble your military builds as we believe your civilization could be in mortal danger.

Their calculations are actually wrong. The iroqi's military is in fact at least 56% stronger than ours according to their data. To make that even worse, the game doesn't count the benefits of more than one movement, so the 56% (or, likely, much more) is without considering the big movement advantage of the iroqi MW.

 

[donsig]

From the Greeks:

Hail donsig II
Grand Vizier of the Ironic and Iroqi Peoples

You misunderstood the Great Library neutralising plan - the whole point was that someone had to research to Education and since you were confident of peace, TNT was the logical choice.

For the plan to work, you would gift us Education once researched, which would automatically be sent to the other team and hence shutdown the Great Library The next turn, after the threat was gone, we would have given our technologies The plan was designed to limit the Middle Age knowledge that the Great Library gave to the other team. We also thought that since you were suing for peace, that you would have less use for military technology, a rational choice considering our crumbling neighbourly environment with KISS.

However since you are concerned that peace will be unlikely in your situation ... we propose that you continue with Engineering and that we research Chivalry and then in 20 turns, we swap ... the faster research team would then go for Invention.

We may both soon have use of additional military options that these technologies open.

May peace and rationality reign ... if not let the cold logic of science win through


Regards

Feaurius III
Foreign Minister

 

[greekguy]

alright guys, i finished my midterms, so i can resume my duties of writing responses to MIA. just tell me what we need to tell them and i'll write up a message.

 

[donsig]

Let's get a reply out to the Greeks. Their plan sounds good to me. We won't have engineering for 22 turns though.

 

[greekguy]

Alright, here's my proposed reply. Please give feedback!

Dear MIA,

To start with, I would like to announce my triumphant return from my extensive studying from "midterms". I have completed all the tests my tutors have given me, and have done exceedingly well on all...well, all except for Geometry...not like I'm going to be an Architecht, so no worries. I will now be able to continue diplomatic coorespondence with your people for a long time to come.

Now, concerning your Great Library Neutralization plan. Our people have decided your plan is fine and will get the job done of eliminating the Great Library threat from D'Nuts and the Galls. However, we thought you should know we won't be able to discover the knowledge of Engineering for another 22 turns, so this might throw off the timing of tech trading by a turn or 2. I hope our two teams will be able to accomodate this slight discrepency between science rates.

Also, I would like to give you some news of the Iroqi War. I have some solemn news to report. Our great leader, donsig II, was killed in action by Iroqi heathens, who fought on beasts of four legs. Luckily, his bloodline still lives, and our people are now led by his descendent, donsig III. We are hoping under his leadership, peace will finally reign between the Ironic and Iroqi people. Peace talks are currently stalled, as they are trying to raze a city or 2 of ours before we make peace. We are hoping to hold out and sign a peace treaty as soon as possible. With any luck, one day D'Nuts will have all their cities in the hands of us or you, with the forces of the Alliance of Science walking through the gates of Springfield...

Good bye for now.

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador

 

[donsig]

Just a couple points - First, I wouldn't mention that the nuts have a chance to capture one or two of our cites. They (hopefully) don't know that Capretbomb is currently undefended. Let's not give them any hints. Word semms to travel from the Greeks to the Iroqi so I'd leave that out.

Second, we don't really agree to the Great LIbrary nuetralization plan. We agrre to research engineering and then swap that for chivalry with the faster researcher going on to research invention. Presumably the slower would research theology and the second trade would be theology for invention.

Other than those two things, it looks good.

 

[greekguy]

Alright, here's a revised reply.

Dear MIA,

To start with, I would like to announce my triumphant return from my extensive studying from "midterms". I have completed all the tests my tutors have given me, and have done exceedingly well on all...well, all except for Geometry...not like I'm going to be an Architecht, so no worries. I will now be able to continue diplomatic coorespondence with your people for a long time to come.

Now, concerning your Great Library Neutralization plan. Our people have decided we will be willing to research Engineering in exchange for the knowledge of Chivalry. We also agree on the principle that the faster researching team will try to discover the secrets of Invention. However, we thought you should know we won't be able to discover the knowledge of Engineering for another 22 turns, so this might throw off the timing of tech trading by a turn or 2. I hope our two teams will be able to accomodate this slight discrepency between science rates.

Also, I would like to give you some news of the Iroqi War. I have some solemn news to report. Our great leader, donsig II, was killed in action by Iroqi heathens, who fought on beasts of four legs. Luckily, his bloodline still lives, and our people are now led by his descendent, donsig III. We are hoping under his leadership, peace will finally reign between the Ironic and Iroqi people. Peace talks are currently stalled and the war still slogs on. With any luck, one day D'Nuts will have all their cities in the hands of us or you, with the forces of the Alliance of Science walking through the gates of Springfield...

Good bye for now.

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador

 

[greekguy]

alright guys, i'm gonna send this message to MIA now.

EDIT: message sent

 

[donsig]

Dear Donsig III, the younger

It grieved us deeply to hear about the recent demise of the 2nd Donsig ... we here at MIA have declared a day of mourning in honour to the passing of the second in a long line of brave warriors, we trust his death was glorious and song worthy

As I was penning this note of condolence, I was interrupted by the death coo of a very tired pigeon who has not only delivered extremely disturbing news to us, but flew first to KISS prior to falling exhausted through my window ... Robi_D of the Nutters is crowing about the destruction of Carpetbomb.

This is unexpected and dramatic news, can it be true ?!! ... My head is a turmoil of questions !!!

What happened ?!
What does this mean in regards to your war effort ?!
Will you sue for peace ?!

... and then, the truth smacking us fair betwixt the eyes ... the horror and disbelief when we failed to see the bright twinkling lights of Carpetbomb ... and then on closer inspection the vista of fallen stones and rubble, dust and charnel smoke ... Oh the humanity ... Oh the darkened days ahead

Due to the escalation in tension with our own neighbours, we can only offer the eyes of our wandering warrior ... and also Ivory when you have completed a Harbour as a gift until you manage to reconnect your lost source.

We sincerely hope that this has not broken your back ... the peoples of MIA will be mourning for a week and have been instructed to light many votive candles to the great Meleet

We wish you speed recovery and the ability to strike back hard and with vengeance ...

May your steel drink deeply and without mercy on Doughnut blood


In sympathy

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Office

The nutters are bragging about burning Carpetbomb!

 

[BCLG100]

Thats nice of them with the ivory, tell them we shant need it though as it was only a momentary setback or something along them lines as we'll have a settler back there soon enough, half the MIA team are in team with me for civ4 MTDG . we'll have to remember the offer though as seems very generous.

 

[greekguy]

Here's my proposed reply. Please provide feedback!

Dear MIA,

Firstly, I would like to thank you for your sympathy concerning the death of donsig II. Although his bloodline lives on in donsig III, D'Nuts are becoming awful persistent at trying to eliminate our royal bloodline. This truly is becoming tedious.

Now, I am deeply saddened to tell you officially that the city of Carpetbomb was razed to the ground by the heathen Iroqi. However, it was only a momentary setback, and new settling parties are being formed. We will soon rebuild Carpetbomb, and make it even better than before! The offending Iroqi "Mounted Warriors" have already been destroyed by our superior military forces. Also, your generous offer of ivory is greatly appreciated, but not needed. We will soon have the city rebuilt, and our luxury troubles will be over. Our people, however, will not forget your generosity for a long, long time.

Additonally, I would like to inform your people of a deal we have struck with D'Nuts: Peace has been signed! Apparantely D'Nuts wanted to get in one last strike before signing peace with us, so now peace reigns throughout our continent. All remaining Iroqi soldiers are returning to their homelands. Our people hope peace will last for a long time, but only until we choose to war with them again. When our military becomes more advanced, we will hopefully destroy the pathetic Iroqi Empire.

Goodbye for now.

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador

 

[BCLG100]

Seems good may as well send it, maybe tell them about our imenent change to Democracy.

 

[greekguy]

Seems good may as well send it, maybe tell them about our imenent change to Democracy.

message sent...

 

[BCLG100]

And by democracy i meant republic