[RD] Hamas/Israeli War News One: Hostages and Invasion

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More news, less deranged racism, please
Absolutely. This includes (not) posting false video titles and (not) propagating explicit antisemitism, though. YES, it does.

Similar to here in the US where racism isn't really an issue if you're white.
Racism applies to all races. Blacks can be (and often are) racist towards Whites. Or Asians can be towards Blacks and Whites, etc. It's a two-way lane, even if they try to hide this fact.
Whereas antisemitism only applies to Jews (and it's quite antisemitic to apply this definition to non-Jews, because this way it totally eradicates the specific point of it being "hatred of Jews").
 
You can't speculate on that without knowing (or guessing at) the proportion of Hamas in the general population. You're trying to do division without the denominator.
These are the IDF's numbers, according to the Guardian. So what you're telling me is that the IDF doesn't know the true proportion of Hamas in the general population, and is just bombing Gaza in the hopes of catching a Hama or two?
 
These are the IDF's numbers, according to the Guardian. So what you're telling me is that the IDF doesn't know the true proportion of Hamas in the general population, and is just bombing Gaza in the hopes of catching a Hama or two?
They can only reliably define a guerrilla if one is literally armed at the time of death.
See above why this is very UN-reliable as a measuring method for "who is or isn't actually Hamas" in this case.
 

Trudeau offended Israel with call for 'maximum restraint,' says Israeli president​

Isaac Herzog says his country cares about civilians in Gaza but is fighting an 'empire of evil'

Israeli President Isaac Herzog said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau offended his country earlier this month when he asked Israel to exercise "maximum restraint" in military operations in Gaza.

"We were offended by the comments of Prime Minister Trudeau because I spoke myself with Prime Minister Trudeau just a week before [he] spoke to me about enabling the exit of Canadian civilians, who are in Gaza, and Israel has done its best and made it a priority," Herzog told CBC's The National on Sunday.

The Israeli president said Israel "truly" cares about civilians in Gaza and warns them of imminent attacks through leaflets, text messages and other methods to give them time to flee.

"We tell them please move out of your premises, because out of your premises missiles were launched against us, terror operations came out of your premises, from your houses, from your shops, from your mosques," he said.

Herzog said the Oct. 7 attack — which saw Hamas kill roughly 1,200 Israelis and take hundreds of civilians hostage — was the work of an "empire of evil" that has ambitions beyond his country.

Palestinian officials say the aerial bombardment of Gaza has killed 14,000 people since Israel launched its offensive against Hamas, which is listed as a terrorist organization by the Canadian government.

Trudeau has stopped short of explicitly calling for a ceasefire and has instead pushed for temporary pauses to the fighting to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.

Earlier this month, while making an announcement about electric vehicle batteries in Maple Ridge, B.C., Trudeau warned Israel that the rising number of civilian deaths in Gaza is raising concern.

"I have been clear that the price of justice cannot be the continued suffering of all Palestinian civilians. Even wars have rules. All innocent life is equal in worth — Israeli and Palestinian," Trudeau said.

"I urge the government of Israel to exercise maximum restraint. The world is watching, on TV, on social media.

"We're hearing the testimonies of doctors, family members, survivors, kids who've lost their parents. The world is witnessing this — the killing of women and children, of babies. This has to stop."

A swift Israeli backlash​

Trudeau also condemned Hamas in his remarks, saying that the militant group "needs to stop using Palestinians as human shields" and calling on Hamas to release its hostages.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hit back swiftly. In a social media post that tagged Trudeau, Netanyahu said Israel isn't the one "deliberately targeting civilians, but [it is] Hamas that beheaded, burned and massacred civilians in the worst horrors perpetrated on Jews since the Holocaust.

"While Israel is doing everything to keep civilians out of harm's way, Hamas is doing everything to keep them in harm's way."

Nethanyahu said Israel has been providing Palestinian civilians in Gaza with humanitarian corridors and safe zones. He accused Hamas of stopping civilians from leaving at gunpoint.

"It is Hamas, not Israel, that should be held accountable for committing a double war crime — targeting civilians while hiding behind civilians. The forces of civilization must back Israel in defeating Hamas barbarism," he said.

Trudeau's words were also criticized by Michael Levitt, a former Liberal MP who now serves as the president and CEO of the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Centre, a Jewish rights group.

Levitt said Trudeau's "reckless accusations against Israel are deeply concerning."

"His words, which belie the facts on the ground in the war between a fellow democracy and a genocidal terror group, may have been meant to deliver a message overseas but that's not the only place they landed," he said in a social media post.

"The scathing remarks also landed here at home, where Jews like me, reeling from weeks of surging antisemitism, got the message loud and clear."

Levitt said Trudeau's comments have "the potential to further fan the flames of Jew-hatred that we are facing."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/herzog-says-trudeau-offended-israel-1.7041040
 
Let's see what you say now.

Cool propaganda, I've noticed how unhinged Israel's defenders are becoming, including it's own ministers and their comments on social media is akin to witnessing someone having an episode
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They can only reliably define a guerrilla if one is literally armed at the time of death.
See above why this is very UN-reliable as a measuring method for "who is or isn't actually Hamas" in this case.
So what you're telling me is that the IDF doesn't know the true proportion of Hamas in the general population, and is just bombing Gaza in the hopes of catching a Hama or two?

How does the IDF measure who is or who isn't Hamas?
 
It’s sounding to me like an argument is being made for considering a lot of say patriotic Americans as enemy combatants just because they were carrying their constitutional freedom gun at the time their neighborhood was cratered.
 
Where did Kyriakos say that?

Whatever he did say was in response to an allegation of anti-Semitism thrown at a video of (or a discussion of a video of) a Chinese diplomat scolding an Israeli diplomat.

I also wouldn't say that Islamophobia and anti-Semitism has increased, rather more appropriately that Islamophobes and anti-Semites have become emboldened in expressing their views. Which is a cause of concern, but flinging accusations of anti-Semitism (or Islamophobia) willy-nilly is not going to combat this, it only cheapens the terms
Indeed, saying that it's wrong (and boring) to see antisemitism everywhere, in no way allows the response that (supposedly in my argument) antisemitism is nowhere.
 
Let's see you bring up any proof for that claim.
They don't have to. You're implying that we should give the benefit of the doubt to presuming apparent dead palestinian civilians are in fact hamas guerillas. Thats just psycho bloodlust behaviour.

However, it is in line with your previous implication that if we don't join you in slaying the barbaric arab, we shall reap another 9/11.
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You can only imagine what Holocaust survivors and their descendants think of this psychopathic progeny of the Nazi atrocities. The most blatant use of Israel's Holocaust shield to date.

For what it's worth, Yad Vashem has condemned this bit of theater.

To control info. They might say they were treated well.

From what I've read they seem to have been treated not too differently from anyone else in Gaza. Not being fed enough and having no freedom of movement are common experiences in the Strip.
 
They don't have to. You're implying that we should give the benefit of the doubt to presuming apparent dead palestinian civilians are in fact hamas guerillas. Thats just psycho bloodlust behaviour.

However, it is in line with your previous implication that if we don't join you in slaying the barbaric arab, we shall reap another 9/11.
Now, THIS is both antisemitic, false, and shows you didn't even look up what I was replying to.
I posted a video of Palestinians expressing anti-Hamas pleas: "Save us from Hamas". #727
Cloud (who probably didn't even watch the video) called it propaganda. #729
I demanded that he backs up his claim (that this video is propaganda). #735
You, of course, didn't bother following this course of posts (and logic within), but immediately jumped to call me bloodthirsty (such a known trope, too) based on unrelated stuff.
And I bet you won't admit this flop anyways, maybe even attacking me with "spam" or whatnot.
Let's see.
 
I don't think someone who excuses likely civilian deaths on the basis that the UN can't prove that they are NOT guerillas can make a good case for not being bloodthirsty.
I don't think you bothered to click that video (about Palestinians openly hating on Hamas), isn't that right?
 
These are the IDF's numbers, according to the Guardian. So what you're telling me is that the IDF doesn't know the true proportion of Hamas in the general population, and is just bombing Gaza in the hopes of catching a Hama or two?

No, I'm not saying anything of that sort.

I'm saying that completely random, untargeted bombing would result in the proportion of Hamas deaths in line with the proportion of Hamas in the general population. If civilians were the target, and Hamas casualties were collateral damage, you'd expect Hamas to be underrepresented in the casualty count - i.e. they'd <1% of deaths rather than 10% of deaths.
 
So antisemitism isn't really an issue? I suppose if you're not a Jew, you might agree with that statement. Similar to here in the US where racism isn't really an issue if you're white.

Thanks to the latest round of Hamas-Israel fighting, antisemitism and IslamaP
hobia is increasing at a dramatic rate here in the States and in most parts of the world.
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Racism applies to all races. Blacks can be (and often are) racist towards Whites. Or Asians can be towards Blacks and Whites, etc. It's a two-way lane, even if they try to hide this fact.
Whereas antisemitism only applies to Jews (and it's quite antisemitic to apply this definition to non-Jews, because this way it totally eradicates the specific point of it being "hatred of Jews").
Enough of this garbage. All this post does is demonstrate your racism and ignorance. Racism in the way that matters including antisemitism requires a power imbalance. So, blacks while being very capable of racism towards whites have no power to act on in the US for example which is the only frame of reference you could post this dribble take on racism and think it has any merit whatsoever. It is not antisemitic to use the word antisemitism to apply to more than just jews. It might be out of the current parlance, but it is not antisemitic, just like being against the existence (yes, the very existence) of a Jewish state does not make one antisemitic by itself.


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a
: a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
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: a descendant of these peoples

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: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
Just a reminder while this tenous peace holds...

Palestinians in Segregated Hebron built Fences above their Streets because Israelis throw Garbage down at them..
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There is a reason for the violence, nothing happens "in a vacuum".
 
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