Have space aliens tuned Trappist 1?

[CavLancer]

How does a system become so precise without planets crashing into each other? In the process of going from chunks of dust and rock orbiting a star they should have collided, yes? Anyway I think that yes, one error along the way and this system starts falling apart. Now they make a bunch of noise about music etc, but its extraordinary enough to send up more than a few flags, yes?

 

[Mustakrakish]

What? Also, space aliens? Is that a different faction amongst aliens - "space aliens". Or is it you specifying... just in case... that you're not talking about Mexicans in US etc.

 

[CavLancer]

No, Mexicans in s p a a a c e . . .

 

[Leonel]

That's ridiculous!

GOD tuned it!

 

[Kyriakos]

While a collection of orbits that don't run into each other can seem strange, it also - by definition - is what ended up being there, so probably at some point the entropy for this kind of phenomenon (orbits running into each other) is maxed out and thus the system stays as is until the star dies?

Not sure, but maybe it can be paralleled to orbiting parts of an atom? Those too seem very elegant and escaping collision, but if they weren't then the atom wouldn't have been there in the first place.

 

[Ryika]

I don't understand this video.

So the planets rotate around the star in a pattern that stabilizes them. That does indeed sound remarkable, but it sounds like something that you'd expect to happen by chance sometimes. We've been looking at the skies for a while now, so wouldn't we expect to see something like that at some point?

But then they suddenly start arranging the patterns and try to make a music track out of it, but all they produce is some trashy, noisy nonsense. Yet they're saying how fascinating it is that you can arrange something that has a pattern into something that vaguely resembles music. What am I missing?

 

[Kyriakos]

^Relation between music and astronomy was there since Pythagoras. "Music of the cosmos" as the pythagoreans called it. Moreover, Pythagoras did write down the first music theory and notation, including producing a series of harmonic notes by noting relation to pressuring a string on set (and precise) fractions of its length.
Not that i have any other knowledge on this, apart from the above general info.

 

[Leoreth]

First of all, the poll is stupid and unfunny.

The video makes clear that orbital resonance is nothing special. It can be found in several known solar systems including ours, a particularly well known example are the Jovian moons. The thread misrepresents the video because nowhere does it suggest aliens. The OP also does not give any reason why aliens are responsible for the configuration of Trappist-1. Instead the video actually makes the point that a system like Trappist-1 can only be stable if its orbits are resonant. It is remarkable in the number of mutually resonant elements but only in as much as the configuration of Trappist-1 with so many earth like planets close to its star is remarkable. One cannot exist without the other.

The observation that the resonance in the movement of celestial bodies matches musical harmonies is nothing new and goes back to the ancient Greeks and Pythagoras' music of the spheres, and it's kind of odd that this video does not acknowledge that. They also seem to have misunderstood the concept because simple fractional relationships form the basis of harmony in music, not rhythm. But their representation of orbital periods mapped each period to a rhythmic beat, so its not surprising the resulting music is mostly dissonant and not very pleasant. I'm not sure what that piece was supposed to illustrate except that you can randomly map things to music and get some sort of result.

TLDR: video is flawed but disconnected from the stupid thread premise.

 

[Perfection]

If you dump 2.3 gallons of water into a 1 gallon bucket, you get an exactly full bucket.

We don't see all the bodies that weren't in resonant positions because they're not in the system anymore.

 

[CavLancer]

So we're agreed. Space aliens!

 

[Perfection]

Why you so bent on space aliens, is there no room for God?

 

[CavLancer]

Consider the circumstantial evidence building up. S e v e n Earth like planets. That's odd. All rocky worlds...kind of organized. Now the orbits of the planets should crash into each other because of BS "resonance" pass the bong new age whatever. In fact these orbits seem strangely organized.

The evidence is building for an organizing force. Space aliens.

 

[CavLancer]

Why you so bent on space aliens, is there no room for God?

God set up the universal simulation, we and the space aliens are just banging around in it, organizing planets, posting on overstaffed forums, taking out the trash, fixing orbits, that sort of thing.

 

[Perfection]

Consider the circumstantial evidence building up. S e v e n Earth like planets. That's odd. All rocky worlds...kind of organized. Now the orbits of the planets should crash into each other because of BS "resonance" pass the bong new age whatever. In fact these orbits seem strangely organized.

The evidence is building for an organizing force. Space aliens.

dude, why you claiming orbital resonance is such a bs concept? I mean there's plenty of examples of it occuring in our own solar system.

 

[CavLancer]

Our system is much bigger, more wiggle room. The 7 planets in the Trappist 1 system all occur within what would be the orbit of Mercury.

 

[Perfection]

Our planets and Sun are also much bigger. The scales are gonna be a bit different.

But don't think the Solar System itself is the only example in the Solar system. Look at the moon systems of Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus. They have a large number of large bodies in resonant positions in relatively tight orbital positions.

Think of Trappist 1 as sort of between our solar system and a gas giant moon system. Suddenly it's not so weird.

 

[CavLancer]

Perhaps

 

[warpus]

The CIA is responsible for all of this. They have gravitational generators and repulsors set up on various planets throughout the solar system in order to keep everything stable.

 

[Michkov]

Consider the circumstantial evidence building up. S e v e n Earth like planets. That's odd. All rocky worlds...kind of organized. Now the orbits of the planets should crash into each other because of BS "resonance" pass the bong new age whatever. In fact these orbits seem strangely organized.

The evidence is building for an organizing force. Space aliens.

Earth like in the case of exoplanets only means their density is in the range of rock instead of gas. Looking at our limited sample size we got everything from an atmosphereless Mercury to a Venus hothouse and everything in between. Rocky does not mean habitable.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

How does a system become so precise without planets crashing into each other? In the process of going from chunks of dust and rock orbiting a star they should have collided, yes? Anyway I think that yes, one error along the way and this system starts falling apart. Now they make a bunch of noise about music etc, but its extraordinary enough to send up more than a few flags, yes?

Why do you assume the planets have not been smashing each other up alrrady? We've only seen a snap shot of their millions of years. Not only have we only seen an instant, we have seen very little of that instant. Just because we can detect them and pick out a few facts doesn't tell us the whole story of what is going on there am among the stars.