how should the US treat illegals

[Eran of Arcadia]

Either way, our schizophrenic policy which leaves us with a porous border and lots of people here insecurely, doesn't do much good.

 

[greekguy]

Your such a hypocrite if you honestly think you wouldnt do the same thing to try to support your family or loved ones.

Ive been to mexico, in many places its like IMPOSSIBLE to find work.

It's not America's job to employ damn Mexicans. If they want to come here, come here legally, get a visa, green card, whatever, don't wade through the Rio Grande, and then expect us to wait on hand and foot.

 

[kulade]

Nah, the bush administration is VERY xenophobic. The next big thing to them besides the war in iraq, is trying to get rid of all the illegal immigrants (another hopeless task).

Bush is irrelevant to this subject... (and well all other cohesive political ideas)

The fact is the Latin American populations are booming and America cannot alone simply invite a couple million more a year to work in the country. That's a very cute and ethical belief, but it can't feasibly work. The middle class would evaporate and the immigrants home nations would whither away as well...

 

[Xanikk999]

Huh?
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041110-123424-5467r.htm

Thats what you call a publicity stunt.

Even though it was after the election it still has its uses.

If not i really cant imagine it, because thats really not his character. Hard to imagine...

 

[kulade]

Thats what you call a publicity stunt.

Even though it was after the election it still has its uses.

If not i really cant imagine it, because thats really not his character. Hard to imagine...

Everything a politician does is a publicity stunt.

Bush has been for immigration amnesty for quite a while now, nearly since the beginning, if I recall correctly.

 

[Xanikk999]

Everything a politician does is a publicity stunt.

Bush has been for immigration amnesty for quite a while now if I recall correctly.

Wow?

I guess all that talk about building a wall was just from republican congressmen then.

 

[Ayatollah So]

There wouldnt be so many illegals if we actually gave them a chance to come here legally.

Indeed. In our global economy capital and finance are free to go where they will, but labor still wears chains.

 

[kulade]

Wow?

I guess all that talk about building a wall was just from republican congressmen then.

The wall in particular is a publicity stunt.

Building a wall on the Mexican border would be a nice plan... ...until the Mexicans invent ladders.

BTW are you being sarcastic in the second statement?

 

[greekguy]

Wow?

I guess all that talk about building a wall was just from republican congressmen then.

Bush is for Big Business. Big Business makes loads of $ by paying illegals less than minimum wage, instead of hiring Americans and paying them real money.

And your right a wall is a bad idea, we need a minefield. (i made a thread about it several months back, you can search for it if your interested).

 

[Bamspeedy]

Wow?

I guess all that talk about building a wall was just from republican congressmen then.

There is a difference between wanting a wall for security purposes and to enforce the LAW than for purely xenophobic/racism reasons.

While I do believe there are a few individuals who want the wall because they are racists, you can't blanket everyone who wants the wall with that.

 

[Ansar]

I don't know of any illegal Colombians...but for any illegal immigrant: hispanic, asian, or whatever, I'd say it's best to just deport them back to their country.

What I have realized the most is that they come illegally because the US holds their country back because they get somewhere in the economy and the
US brings them back down.

 

[candle86]

Ask yourself that to those poor people from mexico who cant even find a job or support thier family.

Do you think they choose to break the law because they want to? No, its because the other alternative is to have a lot of money and time. The process takes years.

Not only that many people cant afford the plane ticket.

They choose to break a law, a theif will break a law to support his family, we throw him in jail, same thing.

An honest, practical solution would be to reform the process to become a legal citizen (make it easier, or at least make it quicker)...stick national guardsmen from Arizona, New Mexico and Texas on the boarder, and impose stiffer penalties.

Its impractical to deport all of the ones that are already here...we dont have the resources, and it will do nothing to address the root of the problem...but it isnt something we can ignore. We have to address everything, or this will bite us in the ass every 5 years.

You mean like the Texas National Guardsmen on the boarder in Laradeo, Brownsville, El Paso, and a dozen other little towns and check points across the boarder? Because the US government wouldnt do anything, the Texas Govoner sent troops down to the Boarder.

But alot of these people are hard working individuals who want to work, and should work, why cant we grant citizenship to them?

No we cant, what about the hard worker here, you live in VA, you have no idea whats going on in Texas, NM, AZ, and CA. We are loosing jobs, because if they are illegal they are under the radar, they work for 2-3 bucks an hour, and that makes them cheaper labor for construction, cooking, and farm work, basiclly the unskilled work anyone can do, except Americans that need those jobs cant get them, becase the illeagal costs less.

Your such a hypocrite if you honestly think you wouldnt do the same thing to try to support your family or loved ones.

Ive been to mexico, in many places its like IMPOSSIBLE to find work.

Come to Texas, its impossible to find work also. I spent 4 months looking for another job last time.

 

[Shylock]

Fine them and then toss them back across the border. If they try again, double the fine.

Most of them are coming over here to earn money because they are dirt poor over there.

I'd let them compete in the job market like everyone else with the same legal protections as everyone else.

If we are a free country we should start acting like it. And after that we can start with the patriot act by litting that mother***** on fire.

 

[Prince_Imrahil]

Ask yourself that to those poor people from mexico who cant even find a job or support thier family.

Do you think they choose to break the law because they want to? No, its because the other alternative is to have a lot of money and time. The process takes years.

Not only that many people cant afford the plane ticket.

Yup, just like inner city black kids whose altrnative is a process that akes years and they cant afford university tuition and discrimination makes it hard to find work to support their families...when they too break the laws we should let them.


Do you think, Xanikkk that if these people dont illegally come to the US they'll all die or something? Way I see it is those mass numbers coming here ought to stay there and Make things better for themselves.

A little restructuring of inadequate governmet and infrastructure might help.

Most of them are coming over here to earn money because they are dirt poor over there.

I'd let them compete in the job market like everyone else with the same legal protections as everyone else.

If we are a free country we should start acting like it. And after that we can start with the patriot act by litting that mother***** on fire.

They aren't citizens with US leal protections. And Free in what way? Free to break the laws?

 

[candle86]

Most of them are coming over here to earn money because they are dirt poor over there.

I'd let them compete in the job market like everyone else with the same legal protections as everyone else.

If we are a free country we should start acting like it. And after that we can start with the patriot act by litting that mother***** on fire.

we are a free nation to our people, we are not entitled to offer freedom to any citizen of another nation, to be excat naturlized citizens are entitled to more rights than imigrants with citizenship

 

[kulade]

we are a free nation to our people, we are not entitled to offer freedom to any citizen of another nation, to be excat naturlized citizens are entitled to more rights than imigrants with citizenship

I hope you realize you are not "better" for being born in America. You are "lucky."

 

[Shylock]

They aren't citizens with US leal protections. And Free in what way? Free to break the laws?

Law this and law that. You can outlaw anything, but is the law just and fair?

Laws have been made to do all kinds of horrible things, just because a bunch guys sat down and wrote a edict on a piece of paper doesn't mean it should be followed.

 

[Prince_Imrahil]

Law this and law that. You can outlaw anything, but is the law just and fair?

Laws have been made to do all kinds of horrible things, just because a bunch guys sat down and wrote a edict on a piece of paper doesn't mean it should be followed.

So laws protecting US citizens more than 'illegal' immigrants is not just fair? Or wat, these immigrants being illegal is wrong? So the US should let any and everyone in her borders freely and whenever they want eh?

 

[ParkCungHee]

Law this and law that. You can outlaw anything, but is the law just and fair?

Laws have been made to do all kinds of horrible things, just because a bunch guys sat down and wrote a edict on a piece of paper doesn't mean it should be followed.

Right, so if your for this, why have citizenship at all for any country? If your concept of a citizen is someone who snuck into your country covertly, why have citizenship at all? Why don't you complain about the Mexican government, which has hypocritically persued the same policies that it condemns in the U.S. Why don't you condemn, every nation which practices immigration law. No other country allows people to come and go as citizens without any form of immigration process. Doesn't that tell you something?

 

[downtown]

You mean like the Texas National Guardsmen on the boarder in Laradeo, Brownsville, El Paso, and a dozen other little towns and check points across the boarder? Because the US government wouldnt do anything, the Texas Govoner sent troops down to the Boarder.
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Yes, I think thats one aspect of a multi-faceted solution. Those Guardsmen need to be equiped, and have the authoirty to act however.

Its all moot if we dont address the way to go about legal immigration though.