If abortion is wrong, why is it justifiable in the case of rape?

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Laying some quick ground rules for this topic. It is about the merits of abortion in the case of rape. It is not about abortion in general. There's a dozen other threads that CFC recommends at the bottom of this page for you to pursue that debate.

I am making the following presumptions for this topic:

1. A foetus is a human life.
2. It is generally wrong to take life.
3. There are some instances where life can justifiably be taken.

Weather or not such presumptions are true for you is irrelevant. I am presuming them on behalf of a hypothetical person who holds the following (or similar) stance: "I'm against abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother." In my experience, that, or variations (foetal defects that would presumably lead to the death of the foetus anyway), is the most common stance I've run across, including among the "pro-life" crowd, for whom telling a rape victim she must carry her child is too much to stomach.

For polling along these lines, please see pollingreport's summary here: http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

Only one running poll defines the terms "usually illegal" or "legal in some circumstances" with the "rape, incest or life of the mother" definition I'm using. Other polls used those as examples for categories such as "illegal with a few exceptions" but didn't define those exceptions.

"Which of the following best represents your views about abortion? The choice on abortion should be left up to the woman and her doctor. Abortion should be legal only in cases in which pregnancy results from rape or incest or when the life of the woman is at risk. OR, Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances."

Woman and her doctor: 51%
Rape, incest, life of mother: 31%
Always illegal: 15%
Unsure: 3%

So here's the question: if a foetus is a human life, why should the circumstances of its conception impact the value of its life, or its right to life? Why does a rape victim's desire to avoid further trauma trump the right of the life that would be the cause of that trauma?
 
Actually, I'd say a significant portion of pro-lifers don't say abortion is justified in case of rape - they basically argue that only if another life is threatened (the mother's) then the "baby's life" could be taken. They also seem to be the more consistent and adamant pro-life faction - those who argue as you describe above mostly seem to do so more on the "morality police" side of things - they just want to "punish" people for irresponsible sex.
 
Actually, I'd say a significant portion of pro-lifers don't say abortion is justified in case of rape - they basically argue that only if another life is threatened (the mother's) then the "baby's life" could be taken. They also seem to be the more consistent and adamant pro-life faction - those who argue as you describe above mostly seem to do so more on the "morality police" side of things - they just want to "punish" people for irresponsible sex.

I'm not asking if my generalization is accurate in the real world where you live or that you've experienced. I'm asking about people that do take the position I outlined.
 
Well, hypothetically, they don't agree with your presumptions. You'd need to add in "irresponsible sex/sex outside of marriage etc... is sinful, and people should be made to accept more consequences for it."
 
I suppose because some people consider the shame of having a baby by rape is greater than the shame of an abortion.
 
I suppose because some people consider the shame of having a baby by rape is greater than the shame of an abortion.

How does a mother's shame devalue the life of the foetus?
 
I don't consider abortion justifiable in any case. I am extremely reluctant, however, to tell a rape victim that she couldn't have one.
 
How does a mother's shame devalue the life of the foetus?
Well, I was just saying that could be a potential internal drive to do it. I can't think of any good rationalization to go with it.
 
if a foetus is a human life, why should the circumstances of its conception impact the value of its life, or its right to life? Why does a rape victim's desire to avoid further trauma trump the right of the life that would be the cause of that trauma?

Simple answer is that if it is wrong in all circumstances to take life, and if the person in question defines all stages of the fetus as a form of life, then they would indeed be contradictory to abort in the situation of a rape-generated fetus.
 
Abortion is wrong in all cases apart from saving the mothers life.

In rape-produced babies, don't kill the unborn utterly innocent baby, hang the rapist.

mmm ''kay?
 
Well, I was just saying that could be a potential internal drive to do it. I can't think of any good rationalization to go with it.

Simple, in the case of rape, the mother didn't "choose" to have sex immorally, and thus shouldn't face consequences she didn't choose.
 
I've said it before and I"ll say it again

I contend that the pro-life camp isn't so much about trying to save lives, but rather to try to punish fornicating women. Otherwise they would be able to see the hypocrisy in there logic if they were in fact pro-life. The difference is that even Suzzy Q Churchgirl can get raped and pregnancy "is not her fault," but Sally J who consents to sex with boys is just a slut that deserves what she gets.

To me even the language at they use implies that they're trying to place blame and punish rather then supporting life.
 
Yeah, Shadylookin, much like what I was saying, I think that is the central line of reasoning. But this thread needs rapid clarification of what the OP wants to discuss again - because, apparently, if we're not discussing what "actual" pro-life proponents think and in what proportions, and we're not inviting posters to just say what they believe (though posters have already said "all abortion is not justifiable" as I predicted is common among serious pro-lifers) then what?
 
Contre, I think it's because people still recognise that a woman has jurisdiction over her body. You can withdraw your resources from someone who you never consented to take care of.

There seem to be gradients on this, though. If I were to discover during a cross-country trek that someone had snuck a baby into my car at the last service station, I would be expected to take the baby to the nearest authority (even if it was dozens of miles to the next town); I wouldn't be allowed to toss the baby out of my car. I'd not even be allowed to sedate the baby to the point where it wasn't bothering me.

OTOH, if you were to steal my VISA and sponsor a third world orphan, I'm allowed to cancel my payments; even if I knew this would result in the orphan's death.
 
To support the OP, here:

NBC Poll:

"Which of the following best represents your views about abortion? The choice on abortion should be left up to the woman and her doctor. Abortion should be legal only in cases in which pregnancy results from rape or incest or when the life of the woman is at risk. OR, Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances."

Woman and her doctor: 51%
Rape, incest, life of mother: 31%
Always illegal: 15%
Unsure: 3%

The other polls get large numbers for things like "usually illegal" or "legal in some circumstances" but they don't define those with specific criteria, only examples.

Please glance through and I'll edit the OP.

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

I hope I've established the line of thought presented in the OP isn't so uncommon as to not discuss.
 
No, it's not uncommon, but that poll still doesn't distinguish between "life of the mother" and "rape." My previous statements still stand though - many who hold this "in between" view are basing it on more sociologically related concerns than the "life of the fetus"
 
they just want to "punish" people for irresponsible sex.
I think there is a lot of truth in that comment. The vengeful OT God seems to speak out when the subject is abortion. The NT God of mercy and compassion is typically nowhere to be seen. I think for some people, this drive for punishment even extends to the victims of rape. They think the women would not have been raped if they were acting like proper Christians.

I've said it before and I"ll say it again
Well said.
 
To support the OP, here:



The other polls get large numbers for things like "usually illegal" or "legal in some circumstances" but they don't define those with specific criteria.

Please glance through and I'll edit the OP.

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

I hope I've established the line of thought presented in the OP isn't so uncommon as to not discuss.

Your link

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Oct. 23-24, 2007. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"Please tell me if you think abortion should be legal or illegal in each of the following situations . . . ."
.
Legal Illegal Unsure
% % %

"If the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest"
70 21 9
 
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