''If your not with us, your against us''

Do you hold to the idea that ''If your not with us, your against us''?


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You been there Perf?
 
No sex, no women. Seems kind of a dull walk. I intend to party like it's 1999! [party]. Then repent at my death bed.

repenting at one's death bed is not cheating the system.

Its not if you are indeed sincere in it. However, since you confess you fully plan to sin although you do indeed know better, I wouldnt put much money that your death bed conversion is going to be accepted....it would just be a lie since in your heart you post poned your redemption so that you merely could feed your flesh.

Again, thats not how it works. Do this, and in my opinion, your after death climate is going to be very warm indeed.
 
Again, thats not how it works. Do this, and in my opinion, your after death climate is going to be very warm indeed.

That's assuming hell is hot. Hell could be really freakin' cold for all we know, or maybe hell means we cease to exist, or maybe hell is a place where it's not too hot or too cold but you're chained to the wall with your legs spread and this robot kicks you in the crotch for eternity. Let's not jump to any conclusions here MobBoss.
 
That's assuming hell is hot. Hell could be really freakin' cold for all we know, or maybe hell means we cease to exist, or maybe hell is a place where it's not too hot or too cold but you're chained to the wall with your legs spread and this robot kicks you in the crotch for eternity. Let's not jump to any conclusions here MobBoss.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was addressing another believer, one who also believes in a blissfull heaven and a firey hell. In context to their faith, I really don't think he's jumping to any conclusions.
 
Its not if you are indeed sincere in it. However, since you confess you fully plan to sin although you do indeed know better, I wouldnt put much money that your death bed conversion is going to be accepted.*...it would just be a lie since in your heart you post poned your redemption so that you merely could feed your flesh.

Again, thats not how it works. Do this, and in my opinion, your after death climate is going to be very warm indeed.

it worked for Ted Haggert :lol:
(seriously I think CivGeneral was kidding)
 
(seriously I think CivGeneral was kidding)

I dunno, we should ask him. Dude get's really serious about what he says. So civgen, were ya kidding or do you really think that you'll 'regret' what you 'plan' to do? We all know I'm one of the atheists around here, but your statement is rahter pathetic in any sense.

I mean gees, there's nothing wrong lying, cheating, stealing, and harming other people since you can get away with it scot free, right? And for your point of view, you can even get into heaven after such dastardly deeds by acknowledging that while you chose to do such things, you will now admit that you should not have done 'em! Hey presto sounds briilliant! And speaks volumes about who you are as a person too! (note i'm not specifically saying you but the person in said scenario above.)

Anyways, after all this, I'm sure you're gonna come out and say it was a joke anyways.
 
It also leaves those who are neither with you nor against you will a tough choice to make, since they're being forced into proactive action.
Indeed, and what happens when you push people? Usually they push back. I think the phrase will have a potential of turning otherwise neutral people against you, so it's even contra-productive. "If you're not with us, join us" or something simular might work better.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was addressing another believer, one who also believes in a blissfull heaven and a firey hell. In context to their faith, I really don't think he's jumping to any conclusions.

I'm a believer too but I don't know what hell is supposed to be like. I think either the concept was made up or you cease to exist. Any Bibal quotes?
 
I'm a believer too but I don't know what hell is supposed to be like. I think either the concept was made up or you cease to exist. Any Bibal quotes?
I imagine it to be similar to being trapped in a lift with Non-Con and Celine Dion's music. In the summer.
 
I imagine it to be similar to being trapped in a lift with Non-Con and Celine Dion's music. In the summer.

Reported for vulgarity and obscenity.




:joke:
 
Indeed, and what happens when you push people? Usually they push back. I think the phrase will have a potential of turning otherwise neutral people against you, so it's even contra-productive. "If you're not with us, join us" or something simular might work better.

Precisely. It's a scary thing to say. It's basically the same as saying "if you don't want to help me, then I will treat you like an enemy!". What am I supposed to do? Self-defense springs to mind.
 
"If you're not with us, we're against you" would be more appropriate in most cases, though.

If you're not against me, I'm for you.

Works much better.
 
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