Imperialism and -Isms, Some Perspective

[Patine]

You are an embarrassment to Christendom.

If you did not figure it out already, I advocate Nation-State rule that would have prevented the myriad atrocities that befell the tribes that my ancestors slaughtered and conquered. We may have even inspired them, through whatever degree of martyrdom and missionary work necessary, to see the Light and Truth of Jesus Christ of their own choosing, and not by the bayonets of a conquering army against their will.

By disrespecting those who fell in war against us, however, you mock the journey they walked to get to this point. You mock the Trail of Tears. That is not Christian. I judge the unworthy and any judgment from you comes from someone who likely has no idea who the Iroquois even are, much less the Apache, Comanche, or the Sioux.

More baseless assumptions and vane judgements with nothing to back them in what I say other than your own self-righteous assumptions. And Christ never endorsed Nation-State theocratic rule. Not once. He famously said, "then render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's." He was also executed by the local national authorities - the Pharisees and the Romans - for sedition, raising a heresy and cult, and sparking Anti-Imperial sentiment, at least by their perspective. There is ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE in all of Christ's Ministry or those of the Apostles, EVEN if you include the Gospels and Epistles not included in the "official 27" by the Nicene Council, that shows any endorsement or support AT ALL for a Church-based Theocratic Nation-State. Now, I'm guessing, based on your last three responses to me, that I will have baseless and contrived insults, accusations, and assumptions with no evidence of them in my posts thrown at me in your response - a very un-Christlike behaviour and attitude for you to show, especially right off the bat - but I am prepared for the slings and arrows.

 

[bernie14]

My nationality, for starters. If the weight of the culturally foreign citizenry collapses the Empire, like it always does, then you will find yourself scurrying to group up with people more like yourself than my people.

But no, currently, our insane system of imperial government does prioritize me over you.

But the future is not bright for Paper Americans. Not if you all collectively keep nominating people like AOC, Tlaib, Omar, and the rest of those people who bite the hands that feed them and tell us to stop bleeding on them.

Never met any resistance of the establishment....never received government handouts, i have a profession that is highly needed in any possible economic circumstance, and no...i would never vote for socialist nutters....so what is it? What you got?????

 

[Dekker]

I am in agreement with OP. As you off topic crowd have many things in common that matter to you, why are you associating with him? He might stop trying to claim power and go back to his own front corner of the internet.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Not so. There was no one's inhabited and governed land they moved into. By all accounts, they migrated into terra nullius, which is completely different.

Meh. Peopling of America wasn't a single cohesive effort. It involved countless waves and migrations involving benevolent merges or violent displacements. For instance Nahuatl is the dominant indigenous culture and language of central Mexico yet it is not native to that area. They migrated and displaced the Mayans, Mixtec and Zapotec inhabitants and eventually formed the Aztec Empire. On top of that the really ancient peoples of the region, such as the extinct Olmecs are a complete enigma and have virtually nothing in common with either of these aforementioned cultures; kind of similar to the Basques or Etruscans.

 

[JMA2286]

More baseless assumptions and vane judgements with nothing to back them in what I say other than your own self-righteous assumptions. And Christ never endorsed Nation-State theocratic rule. Not once. He famously said, "then render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's." He was also executed by the local national authorities - the Pharisees and the Romans - for sedition, raising a heresy and cult, and sparking Anti-Imperial sentiment, at least by their perspective. There is ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE in all of Christ's Ministry or those of the Apostles, EVEN if you include the Gospels and Epistles not included in the "official 27" by the Nicene Council, that shows any endorsement or support AT ALL for a Church-based Theocratic Nation-State. Now, I'm guessing, based on your last three responses to me, that I will have baseless and contrived insults, accusations, and assumptions with no evidence of them in my posts thrown at me in your response - a very un-Christlike behaviour and attitude for you to show, especially right off the bat - but I am prepared for the slings and arrows.

If you are, in fact, Christian then you are familiar with the Tower of Babel and how humanity's unity, despite their obvious differences, was struck down by God. He separated the Nations that attempted to reach Heaven by working together in concert.

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, told the Pharisees they belonged to the Prince of this World. That is who ALL empires serve, whether they mean to or not.

"Ashkelon shall see it, and be afraid; Gaza too, and shall writhe in anguish; Ekron also, because it's hopes are confounded. The king shall perish in Gaza; Askelon shall be uninhabited, a mixed people shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut of the pride of Philistia."
(Zech. 9:5-6)

"How can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me."
Matthew 12:30

"Let them ask, then, whether it is quite fitting for good men to rejoice in extended empire. For the iniquity of those with whom just wars are carried on favors the growth of a kingdom, which would certainly have been small if the peace and justice of neighbors had not by any wrong provoked the carrying on of war against them; and human affairs being thus more happy, all kingdoms would have been small, rejoicing in neighborly concord; and thus there would have been very many kingdoms of nations in the world, as there are very many houses of citizens in a city.

Therefore, to carry on war and extend a kingdom over wholly subdued nations seems to bad men to be felicity, to good men necessity. But because it would be worse that the injurious should rule over those who are more righteous, therefore even that is not unsuitably called felicity. But beyond doubt it is greater felicity to have a good neighbor at peace, than to conquer a bad one by making war. Your wishes are bad, when you desire that one whom you hate or fear should be in such a condition that you can conquer him."
Saint Augustine of Hippo

To ignore the implicit Nation-State rhetoric of Christianity is to ignore the Truth that Jesus is Lord. He gave his life to grant to the Nations of the World the gifts that Israel squandered by being exploited and ruled by the Prince of this World.

Never met any resistance of the establishment....never received government handouts, i have a profession that is highly needed in any possible economic circumstance, and no...i would never vote for socialist nutters....so what is it? What you got?????

You're a mercenary. As soon as you're done getting paid, you'll go back where you know you belong, especially when the Empire collapses.

 

[Patine]

If you are, in fact, Christian then you are familiar with the Tower of Babel and how humanity's unity, despite their obvious differences, was struck down by God. He separated the Nations that attempted to reach Heaven by working together in concert.

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, told the Pharisees they belonged to the Prince of this World. That is who ALL empires serve, whether they mean to or not.

"Ashkelon shall see it, and be afraid; Gaza too, and shall writhe in anguish; Ekron also, because it's hopes are confounded. The king shall perish in Gaza; Askelon shall be uninhabited, a mixed people shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut of the pride of Philistia."
(Zech. 9:5-6)

"How can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me."
Matthew 12:30

"Let them ask, then, whether it is quite fitting for good men to rejoice in extended empire. For the iniquity of those with whom just wars are carried on favors the growth of a kingdom, which would certainly have been small if the peace and justice of neighbors had not by any wrong provoked the carrying on of war against them; and human affairs being thus more happy, all kingdoms would have been small, rejoicing in neighborly concord; and thus there would have been very many kingdoms of nations in the world, as there are very many houses of citizens in a city.

Therefore, to carry on war and extend a kingdom over wholly subdued nations seems to bad men to be felicity, to good men necessity. But because it would be worse that the injurious should rule over those who are more righteous, therefore even that is not unsuitably called felicity. But beyond doubt it is greater felicity to have a good neighbor at peace, than to conquer a bad one by making war. Your wishes are bad, when you desire that one whom you hate or fear should be in such a condition that you can conquer him."
Saint Augustine of Hippo

To ignore the implicit Nation-State rhetoric of Christianity is to ignore the Truth that Jesus is Lord. He gave his life to grant to the Nations of the World the gifts that Israel squandered by being exploited and ruled by the Prince of this World.

First of all, the quote from Matthew can be seem in several different ways as to what's being taught or ministered about. Also, Augustine of Hippo's writings, while many are very erudite, do not carry the weight of Scripture. And the Prince of this World statement was likely a claim of ascendency to rule the Kingdom of God after the Rapture, Return, and Judgement. I still see no firm basis for your claims. They sound like a theocratic power-strip, especially when tied to the evils, hatreds, atrocities, and predations long associated with hard American Nationalism.

 

[JMA2286]

First of all, the quote from Matthew can be seem in several different ways as to what's being taught or ministered about. Also, Augustine of Hippo's writings, while many are very erudite, do not carry the weight of Scripture. And the Prince of this World statement was likely a claim of ascendency to rule the Kingdom of God after the Rapture, Return, and Judgement. I still see no firm basis for your claims. They sound like a theocratic power-strip, especially when tied to the evils, hatreds, atrocities, and predations long associated with hard American Nationalism.

There has never been American Nationalism, only American Imperialism.

That's why my ancestors' crimes weigh heavily upon me and mine, as their descendants.

If there was, the tribes of North America would likely have seen the Truth of God in our example. The great irony is that we would have been the Shining City on a Hill, but would only let people in to visit, not take up residence.

St. Augustine spoke truth in advocating for peace among Nations, respecting one another and resisting the urge to conquer. That is loving your neighbor in more than just holding up the Bible and quoting it lazily to a crowd of the same kind of people who laughed at Jesus carrying the Cross, just as they laugh at someone praying in public today.

Furthermore, I admonished you quickly to see if you had fortitude. In the end, it falls upon us as followers of Christ to correct our ancestors' errors with colonization, free trade, Manifest Destiny, the Opium Wars, and the other myriad horrors they inflicted on the world pretending to love their neighbors instead of actually doing so.

But do not mistake the times for what they are. The enemy is at the gates. The Crusade of the Second Millennium.

 

[bernie14]

You're a mercenary. As soon as you're done getting paid, you'll go back where you know you belong, especially when the Empire collapses.

to Cuba? I've been here >50 years, one of my kids is a federal officer, another a firefighter and two are lawyers....i do have the advantage of two languages, so i can go more places than you. You have what your ethnicity? Blood and soil? (Tastes like poop) You ever had a delicious cuban sandwich on a plancha w a cafecito???

 

[Birdjaguar]

I am descended from American Revolutionaries, and have extended family that can prove their claim too.

I am very likely more American by blood than 90% of the posters here that are American citizens

I am an American. You wish you were.

Well, I can match you on your fake Americanism in New England and In Virginia and my ancestors certainly say your are wrong about what it is to be an American.

If you are, in fact, Christian then you are familiar with the Tower of Babel and how humanity's unity, despite their obvious differences, was struck down by God. He separated the Nations that attempted to reach Heaven by working together in concert.

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, told the Pharisees they belonged to the Prince of this World. That is who ALL empires serve, whether they mean to or not.

"Ashkelon shall see it, and be afraid; Gaza too, and shall writhe in anguish; Ekron also, because it's hopes are confounded. The king shall perish in Gaza; Askelon shall be uninhabited, a mixed people shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut of the pride of Philistia."
(Zech. 9:5-6)

"How can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me."
Matthew 12:30

"Let them ask, then, whether it is quite fitting for good men to rejoice in extended empire. For the iniquity of those with whom just wars are carried on favors the growth of a kingdom, which would certainly have been small if the peace and justice of neighbors had not by any wrong provoked the carrying on of war against them; and human affairs being thus more happy, all kingdoms would have been small, rejoicing in neighborly concord; and thus there would have been very many kingdoms of nations in the world, as there are very many houses of citizens in a city.

Therefore, to carry on war and extend a kingdom over wholly subdued nations seems to bad men to be felicity, to good men necessity. But because it would be worse that the injurious should rule over those who are more righteous, therefore even that is not unsuitably called felicity. But beyond doubt it is greater felicity to have a good neighbor at peace, than to conquer a bad one by making war. Your wishes are bad, when you desire that one whom you hate or fear should be in such a condition that you can conquer him."
Saint Augustine of Hippo

To ignore the implicit Nation-State rhetoric of Christianity is to ignore the Truth that Jesus is Lord. He gave his life to grant to the Nations of the World the gifts that Israel squandered by being exploited and ruled by the Prince of this World.

Now you are just being silly. We could quote scripture back and forth all day long and and demonstrate just how contradictory the Bible actually is. I'm glad to see that you have now played all your important cards. But i do need to ask, where does the Bible actually mention the USA?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Humanist is a more accurate way to describe "Liberalism" of today. People that think there is one Human race, that God isn't real, that we're all in this together, etc.

There is, he isn't, and we are. What's your point? Many people over the past decades (ie. Isaac Asimov and Carl Sagan, for two) have described themselves as humanists.

The Handmaid's Tale is stupid. Feminism is more responsible for infertility and mass child murder than any bullfeathers scenario made up by someone who is too scared to confront the former Third World to save the trees she allegedly cares about. And even then, she disowns feminists to this day. Probably because it's a death cult.

Which "she" are you prattling about? Margaret Atwood? Guess you didn't know she wrote a sequel to her novel. It's out next month.

Justin Trudeau is barely fit to contribute to a restaurant night shift at a slow pizzeria. The man is the most pathetic excuse for a man that has ever tricked a country in the Western Hemisphere to allow him to lead it. He is an even bigger disgrace to Canada than Justin Bieber. Yall need to trade your Justins for a Justinian.

No, you can keep Justin Bieber. And don't assume that just because I despise the right-wing parties in this country that I embrace the Liberals. I don't. My vote goes elsewhere. That said, better Trudeau than Harper. At least we got rid of him while we still could.

So are you a fan of the British Empire? Haha tell me with a straight face that the UK doesn't answer to the Pentagon and the US military.

Did I say I'm a fan? No, I didn't say that. I merely stated a FACT.

The rest of that is so stupid it's beneath response.

Kyriakos is a prolific and creative contributor to this forum, fluent in more than one language, and is a published author. Can you say the same? I rather doubt it.

 

[Arwon]

You were not, will not, and are not an American.

You are an American citizen. You reside here.

You are not part of the national family that founded the United States.

Unless you married someone who has that claim, you just have papers

Definitely not a fascist

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I am descended from American Revolutionaries, and have extended family that can prove their claim too.

I am very likely more American by blood than 90% of the posters here that are American citizens

Wouldn't it be hilarious if someone on this forum happened to be Native American? Tens of thousands of years trumps (no pun intended) a mere 243 years.

You are an embarrassment to Christendom.

If you did not figure it out already, I advocate Nation-State rule that would have prevented the myriad atrocities that befell the tribes that my ancestors slaughtered and conquered. We may have even inspired them, through whatever degree of martyrdom and missionary work necessary, to see the Light and Truth of Jesus Christ of their own choosing, and not by the bayonets of a conquering army against their will.

By disrespecting those who fell in war against us, however, you mock the journey they walked to get to this point. You mock the Trail of Tears. That is not Christian. I judge the unworthy and any judgment from you comes from someone who likely has no idea who the Iroquois even are, much less the Apache, Comanche, or the Sioux.

LOL. Patine and I are from the same Canadian province, and our education system is pretty damn good, regarding native American history, thankyouverymuch. Or at least it was in the schools I attended.

 

[mitsho]

When I encounter such thread with a long philosophical opening post, I tend to read the first and the last page. I am amazed how fast this one goaway from his premise.

My answer to the op by the way is: No, you don't have to make everything fit into preconceived categories. Most of the world we live in are examples upon themselves. -ism is a neutral descriptor in language, and policitical&social ideologies are by no means coherent, unchanging or all-encompassing. You posit there's only one way to implement an ideology in the real world... and that's just really hard to prove or disprove. And to what end? If true in the past, does that mean we can't find better ways in the future? I just don't see the value in having that discussion.

[by the way, here's a good 24-min video that points out that the content of an ideology needn't matter by the example of Star Wars' First Order. It's about power here, but it doesn't have to be.]

 

[Zardnaar]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if someone on this forum happened to be Native American? Tens of thousands of years trumps (no pun intended) a mere 243 years.


LOL. Patine and I are from the same Canadian province, and our education system is pretty damn good, regarding native American history, thankyouverymuch. Or at least it was in the schools I attended.

South Park taught me Canadians ga

When I encounter such thread with a long philosophical opening post, I tend to read the first and the last page. I am amazed how fast this one goaway from his premise.

My answer to the op by the way is: No, you don't have to make everything fit into preconceived categories. Most of the world we live in are examples upon themselves. -ism is a neutral descriptor in language, and policitical&social ideologies are by no means coherent, unchanging or all-encompassing. You posit there's only one way to implement an ideology in the real world... and that's just really hard to prove or disprove. And to what end? If true in the past, does that mean we can't find better ways in the future? I just don't see the value in having that discussion.

[by the way, here's a good 24-min video that points out that the content of an ideology needn't matter by the example of Star Wars' First Order. It's about power here, but it doesn't have to be.]

We don't like talking about Disney Star Wars around here.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The op, despite his protestations, is indistinguishable from a Fascist, a white supremacist and an ethnostater and should be treated with the same ridicule that they deserve by virtue of being so far removed from reality.

With the ascension of Trump these people are emboldened to come out and proslytse their filth and rhetoric. You aren't welcome in decent society.

I'm glad Antifa exist to combat the likes of you, op.

 

[Commodore]

This thread has me in the awkward position of agreeing with members here that I frequently find myself sparring against.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

South Park taught me Canadians ga

You appear to be missing part of your post. Please keep in mind that I don't watch South Park, but from what I do know of it, it perpetuates ridiculous stereotypes that aren't true.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

It's no coincidence that as Trump took the office, people similar to the OP became more open with their views on race, ethnonationalism etc.

The GOP is complicit as well, they haven't even done the bare minimum of trying to distance themselves from the same rhetoric that Trump and ethnonationalists advocate, it is becoming increasingly clear that they are relying on this same rhetoric to pump up their base.

 

[Zardnaar]

It's no coincidence that as Trump took the office, people similar to the OP became more open with their views on race, ethnonationalism etc.

The GOP is complicit as well, they haven't even done the bare minimum of trying to distance themselves from the same rhetoric that Trump and ethnonationalists advocate, it is becoming increasingly clear that they are relying on this same rhetoric to pump up their base.

You appear to be missing part of your post. Please keep in mind that I don't watch South Park, but from what I do know of it, it perpetuates ridiculous stereotypes that aren't true.

Didn't mean to post it. Tried making a joke but thought it was silly. It probably saved what I did type.

 

[Arakhor]

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