In Georgia Police Kill You !

[warpus]

Seems that without independent oversight this isn't going to change unless perhaps something extremely horrible happens and people start rioting..

 

[Timsup2nothin]

When something really horrible happens and people start rioting the general response is that the rioters should behave better because rioting never solves anything...despite the fact that you are right, rioting is the only thing that has been proven to work and the only real problem with it is that it hasn't been used on a large enough scale to effect widespread change.

 

[JollyRoger]

Seems that without independent oversight this isn't going to change unless perhaps something extremely horrible happens and people start rioting..

Then the cops will get to go back to the original function that police forces were formed - to bash rioters, though I guess these wouldn't be pro-labor thugs they would be bashing.

 

[Farm Boy]

A rigorous application of 4th Amendment mortis.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Seems that without independent oversight this isn't going to change

The police here go absolute ape s#!t when anyone suggests independent oversight of any kind. The police in NYC were protesting their own mayor over his response to the Eric Garner killing.

 

[warpus]

So what? They'd get used to it.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Well they have the guns so...

 

[Kyriakos]

Why do cops do no-knock warrants in states where castle doctrine is a thing, anyway? Aren't they worried that their officers are going to get shot in the face?

Furthermore: if a judge would grant no-knock camo raid at 11 at night, surely he would also allow the cops to knock and stay surrounding the house/exits of that place for hours if they have to.

So unless they worry that the people inside may escape by time machine or quantum-tunneling, it only leaves the explanation that they are just not to be bothered to do actual work and instead want to raid in camo with lethal force cause that is going to be better for all involved.

Besides, i have to suppose that the trails of running a narco-lab won't go away in a few hours. Police can use people with strange powers, known as chemists.

 

[Farm Boy]

Somebody might flush their dope down the toilet though. And a couple of "accidental" dead citizens is just something you should expect when the government has declared a war on them. Wouldn't you say? They can actually phrase it "War on Drugs" all they want but declaring a war on an inanimate object isn't really possible any more than you can declare war on a country. You declare war on the people suspected of being associated with that country. Just like the war we have on people suspected of being associated with drugs.

 

[Kyriakos]

Somebody might flush their dope down the toilet though. And a couple of "accidental" dead citizens is just something you should expect when the government has declared a war on them. Wouldn't you say? They can actually phrase it "War on Drugs" all they want but declaring a war on an inanimate object isn't really possible any more than you can declare war on a country. You declare war on the people suspected of being associated with that country. Just like the war we have on people suspected of being associated with drugs.

Surely if the info the police had was that the house only had some users/small-time dealers, but no actual creation of drugs going on, then it seems even weirder to not just wait in cover for the people to leave the house (so as to deal?) and arrest them, or pose as a buyer etc to verify first?

Then again the reliable meth-junky may have noted that the dealers were so hardcore that they eat the flesh of anyone they suspect. Baath-salt party.

 

[Farm Boy]

Weird? No. I wish it seemed weird.

 

[JollyRoger]

If knocking means that the evidence is destroyed by flushing, then there wasn't much evidence there to begin with and the cops have won a small victory by getting the perp to destroy the drugs.

 

[Farm Boy]

Do they want small victories? These are very important people, after all.

 

[Traitorfish]

You'd think that the need for police officer safety, not to mention "your average citizen" safety would knock some common sense into these people...

It's my impression that conservative voters prefer dead cops they can weep over rather than living ones that end up drawing a pension. Same attitude they have to soldiers.

Ideally, we'd be looking at an endless revolving door of patriot-martyrs.

 

[JollyRoger]

I guess they prefer the bigger victory of not being indicted for murder.

 

[FriendlyFire]

When I saw the thread title I thought it was the nation of Georgia on the Black Sea... I was thinking "Well at least its not the US again" Silly, silly Sommerswerd... of course its the US again

You know Republicans screaming about constitutional violations, just means that they themselves are engaging in that very same violations.
Iam sure the entire GOP is shocked, just shocked that this could happen.

U.S. Calls on Ferguson to Overhaul Its Justice System
By MATT APUZZO and JOHN ELIGON 3:44 PM ET

The Justice Department said that the city engaged in so many constitutional violations that oversight was needed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/u...tem.html?hp&target=comments#commentsContainer

 

[Kaitzilla]

In Palm Beach Florida, the police frame you.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/officer-reveals-planting-evidence-lying-part-game/

Bombshell Interview: Cop Reveals That “Planting Evidence And Lying” Are Just “Part Of The Game”


Palm Beach County, Florida – Journalists at the DC Post were looking through message boards that are frequented by law enforcement officers, when they found a post where one officer was causally talking about planting evidence on “mouthy drivers” and “street lawyers.”

The Post then contacted the officer and conducted an anonymous interview with him where he revealed his disturbing perspective.

The officer revealed the illegal and unethical actions that he is proud of taking on the job. The DC Post has also said that they have verified the officer’s position with the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office, and they have verified many of the claims that he has made.

The original post was titled “Tricks of the trade – let’s exchange!” and featured the following message:

“I have a method for getting people off the street that should not be there. Mouthy drivers, street lawyers, s and just anyone else trying to make my job difficult. Under my floor mat, I keep a small plastic dime baggie with Cocaine in residue. Since it’s just residue, if it is ever found during a search of my car like during an inspection, it’s easy enough to explain. It must have stuck to my foot while walking through San Castle. Anyways, no one’s going to question an empty baggie. The residue is the key because you can fully charge some with possession of cocaine, heroin, or whatever just with the residue. How to get it done? “I asked Mr. DOE for his identification. And he pulled out his wallet, I observed a small plastic baggie fall out of his pocket…” You get the idea. easy, right? Best part is, those baggies can be found lots of places so you can always be ready. Don’t forget to wipe the baggie on the person’s skin after you arrest them because you want their DNA on the bag if they say you planted it or fight it in court.”

Other officers on the board responded by sharing similar stories about how they falsely arrest people who don’t adequately bow to their authority.

Later in the interview, when the officer was asked if planting evidence happened regularly within his department, he responded by saying,

“Um, yes it does, on a regular basis. Probably every day in my shift. I work nights on the Road Patrol in a rough, um, mostly black neighborhood. Planting evidence and lying in your reports are just part of the game."

Then straight from the horses mouth, the officer said that this crooked behavior was actually encouraged by the drug war. Continuing his discussion about planting evidence, the officer said,

“Yes, all the time. It is something I see a lot of, whether it was from deputies, supervisors or undercovers and even investigators. It’s almost like you have no emotion with it, that they attach the bodies to it, they’re going to be out of jail tomorrow anyway; nothing is going to happen to them anyway. One of the consequences of the war on drugs is that police officers are pressured to make large numbers of arrests, and it’s easy for some of the less honest cops to plant evidence on innocent people. The drug war inevitably leads to crooked policing — and quotas further incentivize such practices. It doesn’t help that your higherups all did the same thing when they were on the road. It’s like a neverending cycle. Like how molested children accept that as okay behavior and begin molesting children themselves.”

When asked if he would get in trouble with the police department for framing people, the officer laughed and said that this type of behavior was actually encouraged.

“Our top boss, Sheriff Ric Bradshaw, supports this behavior and has for his entire career. As with anything, it depends on who you know in our agency. Last year, we had three deputies on the TAC unit, Kevin Drummond and Jarrod Foster, get caught falsifying information for a warrant. They got a pat on the back for a job well done. Just recently, we had a deputy, I think his name was Booth. He was caught completely lying on a car crash. Back a few more years, our Sheriff was involved a massive coverup of the death of two black deputies. He hid the report for years. This is only the beginning. The Sheriff has been involved in falsification of documents and his underling, Chief Deputy Michael Gauger, has been personally involved in an overtime scandal to steal money from the Sheriff’s Office. Does our Sheriff know about this behavior? Of course he does. We have even had a judge outright accuse my agency of committing fraud upon the court in a public hearing. She was one of the ones who saw through all the lying and covering up our department does to get away with the internal crime committed by deputies on a regular basis,” he said.

Ah, anonymous web boards.
Sheriff Ric Bradshaw needs to tell his guys to STFU.

If you want more details, the rest of the story is here.
http://dcpost.org/florida-law-officer-planting-evidence-lying-part-of-the-game-exclusive-interview/

 

[classical_hero]

When I saw the thread title I thought it was the nation of Georgia on the Black Sea... I was thinking "Well at least its not the US again" Silly, silly Sommerswerd... of course its the US again

Obviously you don't know FF that well. He only ever posts US news.

 

[Commodore]

No knocks simply should not be legal, especially when the dubious justification is the word of one burglar.

Agreed. Officers will point to the increased risk of injury and death to police officers as a justification for no knock warrants, but I really don't care. If a few more injured or dead cops is the price we have to pay to ensure crap like this doesn't happen, then so be it.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Agreed. Officers will point to the increased risk of injury and death to police officers as a justification for no knock warrants

Wait, is it our job to risk death to protect their safety, or is it the other way around?