IOT Clash of Ideologies

Neutrality in the event said foreign power attacks Austria is a direct revocation of the terms of the defensive pact. The dispute which caused the Norse to take this position is irrelevant, since by revoking its obligation to the terms it has rendered the defensive pact non-existent, a fact we simply announced.

We are at pains to note however that we have no intention of being the aggressors of a war here. Although we have put our forces on high alert and put contingency plans in place to deal with any aggression on your nations part, we hope primarily for serenity and peace in Europe, particularly considering greater threats loom beyond our continents shores, and in the form of communism. We repeat again that the defensive pact can be easily restored if only the Norse recant their neutrality policy (a direct revocation of DP terms) and apologise for slanderous, false, and insulting statements regarding Austria it made elsewhere.
 
The Norse would like to know why it is now out of the Conference of Valencia? We have noticed it still existent and it is not including us among the members.

If this is due to the "alliance" argument then we can presume that the nations are being dictated to by Austria and not by account of consideration. If it is due to "presumption" of our loyalty then we note that we are not a problematic notion; our loyalty to the Conference should not be judged by our 'loyalties' to Austria and its ambitions. If it is about our neutrality regarding Carthag and Austria; we share defence pacts with both and we are saddened about the lack of respect towards neutrality.

In the end we are requesting a reason from Black Russia, who leads the notions to chair.
 
Attacking other members of the Conference should generally be considered a big "no no". There are proper channels to go through, and you went through none of them.
 
Sonereal said:
Attacking other members of the Conference should generally be considered a big "no no". There are proper channels to go through, and you went through none of them.
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Our verbal exchange were through the channels of the Conference communications. You could have set voice on the matter instead of proving to contradict the sovereign respect of the Conference by proclaiming yourself as leader of the Conference by removing members.

We further more would suggest that removing us on grounds of our defence pact with Carthage is immature on basis of denying a state's right to be neutral, along with questionable ideological fallacy regarding the Conference. Regard us as being favoured to a "ideological enemy" of the Conference but we call it good diplomatic practice to be neutral in such regards.

Consider our disagreements to the Austrians as "attack" if you will but confuse it as enemy conduct is a great error of judgement, especially in regards to the foundations of the Conference, which has stated itself not a alliance but focuses never the less on some "united crusade" with military co-ordination.

The world has reason to be suspicious of the Conference, along with Austria's and Black Russia's ambitions.
 
The world has no reason to be suspicious of the conference, while it has many reasons to be suspicious of the Norse Union. The conference was very justified in removing a nation who openly declared that it would no longer respect the defensive pact it had with a like minded nation in the conference. You not only declared this, but began to bring an inside disagreement to the global stage for all to see; that is simply immature and inappropriate conduct that is unacceptable.

The Empire of the North supports the Norse removal from the conference as they are obviously a terrible influence on other nations.
 
Ailedhoo said:
The world has reason to be suspicious of the Conference, along with Austria's and Black Russia's ambitions.
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On the one hand, the Allied Nations are suspicious. On the other hand, this is the Norse Union making the statement, so there's a better than even chance they made it up and are claiming some old man in the sky only they can see told it to them.

In any event, we are too focused on our present goals to take any action.
 
Excuse? We were talking of a defence pact between us and Austrians, not us and ALL members of the conference. And it was not like we were saying we would fight for Carthage but rather we would keep out.. and that was in response to Brittany and Austria's holding when it threatens to attack people who claim the Rhineland. The Austrians bought it to the global stage; to call us immature and inappropriate is clear failure to consult the two sided nature of a street. We also wish to note that Austria was seeking to generate conflict, issuing France to attack Carthage and hoping to strike Carthage with a coalition of the Conference, all in a anti-communist crusade that only purpose was for the sake of the crusade as oppose to national interests.

Austria is not the Conference and the chairman could have consulted us instead of a clear action of mistaking.

If the Empire of the North regards our desire not to get our hands bloody if conflict emerges between two factions were sided a defence pact with and hence would have to honour one at the expense of the other (as oppose to our policy of declaring it de facto diplomatic outlook only) then we can see why it is currently regarded as a terrible influence on other nations by its fellow American nations. The state that fails falls.
 
Did I mention you attacked a member of the Conference?

Because seriously. Everything you're posting about stops mattering once you attacked a member of the Conference. We were not an alliance, but we also weren't about to condone our members attacking one another in such an underhanded roguish way. Without even a formal declaration of war.

Truly, you have betrayed the Conference and are guilty of giving aid to the French enemy.

Also, do understand that all PMs end up in my inbox eventually.
 
The Norse again find Black Russia's confusing verbal assaults with actual war amusing. What make you say we are at war? You have no evidence for such a slanderous claim and if you did concealing from us make it look like your plotting a excuse to make war against us!

OOC: post a PM if you somewhere received it, not that this meta PMing thing is... sportsmanship.
 
According to the information available to Russia and Austria, the Norse have instituted an actual military attack on Austrian forces. If this is true than that nation will face the consequences, as such an attack would invoke our contingency plans for such a situation and face in the Empires defence the raised forces of the national draft the Austria instituted this year for the defence of the Fatherland. (EDIT: although as it is a contingency, if the Carthaginians have attacked Austria, the defensive plan for that scenario would take priority) If not, and if the reports of an attack (from reliable sources) are found to be erroneous, than the Norse will be spared such indignities, and it will have to be seen whether the Norse Union can be readmitted to the Conference of Valencia (being expelled due to reports of an actual attack on a member state, as compared to other disagreements as it is implying).

PS: BREAKING NEWS: It seems that Carthage has also attacked Austria. If this is true than any Norse attack is in allegiance with a socialist power, well justifying their excision from the conference. Either way, we hope that our South African ally, and the contingencies for such an event they indicated they had prepared, will uphold our allegiance if this attack is more than rumour.
 
Ailedhoo said:
The Norse again find Black Russia's confusing verbal assaults with actual war amusing. What make you say we are at war? You have no evidence for such a slanderous claim and if you did concealing from us make it look like your plotting a excuse to make war against us!
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OOC: Combat rolls are done in the chat. I've seen them done. You quite clearly attacked the Austrian fleet, and failed.
 
Sonereal said:
OOC: Combat rolls are done in the chat. I've seen them done. You quite clearly attacked the Austrian fleet, and failed.
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OOC: can LH please do the roll stuff here instead of in chat? I like to see results transparent and not restricted to message areas we may not be using all the time.
 
The results don't have to be transparent, as they show up in the update. What happens in chat is merely LH narrating the update process for those there at the time, and has no effect whatsoever on the outcome.
 
Arrow Gamer said:
The results don't have to be transparent, as they show up in the update. What happens in chat is merely LH narrating the update process for those there at the time, and has no effect whatsoever on the outcome.
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I.....think I agree with arrow. Nope, this can't be happening.
 
agree with Arya and Arrow, you'll get the results in all their detailed glory in the update. Talk of 'transparency" is just inane garbage, proceeding from your annoyance at having the Norse Unions dirty laundry aired in public.
 
OOC: I was thinking on grounds of a Sonerael esc war screen, to give us tactical information, a backdrop to review our strategies. It would allow us to know whether we needed more troops, consider air power or how to deploy our generals.

It also allows for dramatic tales by LH! :D

Also: it makes surprise attacks... a surprise! It also makes Sonerael's bluffs... bluffs!
 
OOC: Unless the chat has a dice rolling bot it's precisely as transparent as just posting results on the forum once they're done. It's too late to change orders anyway and in the absence of independent roll verification you just have to trust to the GM's unbiasedness.
 
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